97 gt no start.....

mtw002 · July 13th, 2011, 10:18 PM

Ok so i picked up a 97 gt mustang the other day. I traded off a 244,444 mile 92 suburban for a non running coupe.

The guy said it over heated and quit running. I put a good battery in it and it seems to be turning over. I wont know for sure until i have someone turn it over while i'm watching. Anyway. It was completely out of radiator fluid so since i had some lying around i poured a little in it. Figured a little is better than none. But before i started to pour it i noticed 2 little pieces of metal laying in the fluid tank.

So then i got suspicious. and removed the thermostat housing. Low and behold there is no thermostat in there.

Where the hell could it have gone? i have a hard time believing it got sucked in the motor to where it wont let it start, but i really dont know.

OptionalStang · July 13th, 2011, 10:43 PM

thats motor sounds very fishy...lucky it even cranked

mtw002 · July 13th, 2011, 10:47 PM

Well I figured i'd try to get it started. I'm going to build another teskid 2v and swap in. It would just be nice to hear it start so i know all of the supporting components work.

1996 GT · July 13th, 2011, 11:49 PM

Man, if you come across a 96 or 97 mark viii 4v engine pick that up instead.

sharkbait · July 14th, 2011, 12:58 AM

...if they made it in the fluid tank...somethings wrong.

The line to the fluid tank is only about 1/2 inch lol.

2 metal peices > physics

NeverEnuff · July 14th, 2011, 02:15 AM

I don't beleive that to be the thermostat. Physically impossible. Its prob the cap to the tank and it fell apart. IDK

But hey Mike. I want those wheels! Those are my fav!

Mohater · July 14th, 2011, 03:23 AM

Wow, flashback to Oki. Did you make sure there wasn't a milkshake before you cranked it? That bottom end might not yet be wasted after all. You can start it to see if it starts bone dry without wasting any coolant. How'd you pull it home?

mtw002 · July 14th, 2011, 09:20 AM

Originally Posted by Mohater

Wow, flashback to Oki. Did you make sure there wasn't a milkshake before you cranked it? That bottom end might not yet be wasted after all. You can start it to see if it starts bone dry without wasting any coolant. How'd you pull it home?

Pulled it home with the suburban then he drove the suburban back lol.

mtw002 · July 14th, 2011, 09:24 AM

Originally Posted by sharkbait

...if they made it in the fluid tank...somethings wrong.

The line to the fluid tank is only about 1/2 inch lol.

2 metal pieces > physics

That's what i think also but the thermostat housing had looked to never been off. I have a hard time believing it also. But if not that still leaves the question as to where the thermostat went.

NeverEnuff · July 14th, 2011, 09:36 AM

^ Some ppl think that removing them will make the car run better and faster, but keeping the motor cold...what they don't know is the car never getting warm will keep it in 'cold' start mode and it will never swap over to warm fuel tables and run rich all the time, making it actually slower...and worse MPG...

mtw002 · July 14th, 2011, 09:49 AM

I'm aware of that. I'll head over in a bit and pull a plug and see if its getting spark. I swear its getting fuel because i can smell it when i crank it over. And I'm hoping its not a pats problem.

mtw002 · July 14th, 2011, 12:41 PM

OK so after going back over and looking at it. It is turning over and pumping fuel out the (L) exhaust pipe. Checking for spark. If no spark on (L) side i'll check the (R). If spark on (R) side i'll swap coil packs and see if maybe its just a bad coil.

mtw002 · July 14th, 2011, 01:42 PM

What i thought was fuel pumping out of the exhaust turned out to be just water. So i checked the oil again. I must have over looked the milkiness of the oil. I pulled 2 plugs and found them both wet. Once letting them dry i checked for spark and had spark. So Now i'm thinking its a blown head gasket on the drivers side. Should i just be cheap and slap a head gasket on it, or should get the pi swap stuff and do another pi swapped teskid motor?

Mohater · July 14th, 2011, 01:48 PM

You need to pull the heads and see if one or both are warped, check the deck of the block too. Then there's the uncertainty of the bearings, if he ran it long enough to wash them out.

mtw002 · July 14th, 2011, 01:54 PM

I'm going to drain the oil dry the plugs and put some used oil i have lying around in it and drain the radiator. Just to see if it will even start. I've got a set of pi heads and intake. but I need cams. And i think i'll want to use N/A cams this time.

NeverEnuff · July 14th, 2011, 02:34 PM

Head I doubt are warped. Thats the best part about huge modular heads...hard to warp them. Trust me.

NeverEnuff · July 14th, 2011, 02:37 PM

Dibs on the wheels.

mtw002 · July 14th, 2011, 11:16 PM

Well I got the 4v block tore down to a short block. Hopefully I'll get the PI heads tomorrow or tonight.

And Matt I forgot but the cams that come with the heads are actually off my 03 gt.

anyone need some 4v B heads?

GMoney98 · July 14th, 2011, 11:43 PM

i got new pi cams for sale if needed and npi heads

mtw002 · July 14th, 2011, 11:52 PM

Originally Posted by GMoney98

i got new pi cams for sale if needed and npi heads

Thanks but i already have a set of PI heads and cams.

July 13th, 2011, 10:18 PM	#1
mtw002 Enthusiast 2003 vert gt 12.703@ 107.65 KCIR Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Colorado Springs CO Posts: 662 iTrader: 0 reviews	97 gt PI teskid build Ok so i picked up a 97 gt mustang the other day. I traded off a 244,444 mile 92 suburban for a non running coupe. The guy said it over heated and quit running. I put a good battery in it and it seems to be turning over. I wont know for sure until i have someone turn it over while i'm watching. Anyway. It was completely out of radiator fluid so since i had some lying around i poured a little in it. Figured a little is better than none. But before i started to pour it i noticed 2 little pieces of metal laying in the fluid tank. So then i got suspicious. and removed the thermostat housing. Low and behold there is no thermostat in there. Where the hell could it have gone? i have a hard time believing it got sucked in the motor to where it wont let it start, but i really dont know. __________________ Cars Dont Power The Front Wheels, They Lift Them 4v teksid block w/2v heads FINISHED 14 April 2010 2003 vert gt 2v teskid build 12.7 @ 107 (SOLD) 1989 mustang lx Last edited by mtw002; July 18th, 2011 at 07:26 PM.

July 13th, 2011, 10:47 PM	#3
mtw002 Enthusiast 2003 vert gt 12.703@ 107.65 KCIR Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Colorado Springs CO Posts: 662 iTrader: 0 reviews	Well I figured i'd try to get it started. I'm going to build another teskid 2v and swap in. It would just be nice to hear it start so i know all of the supporting components work. __________________ Cars Dont Power The Front Wheels, They Lift Them 4v teksid block w/2v heads FINISHED 14 April 2010 2003 vert gt 2v teskid build 12.7 @ 107 (SOLD) 1989 mustang lx

July 14th, 2011, 12:58 AM	#5
sharkbait Hooo Ha Ha 1997 Mustang GT 11.65 @ 115 Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Pasadena MD Posts: 9,743 iTrader: 10 reviews	...if they made it in the fluid tank...somethings wrong. The line to the fluid tank is only about 1/2 inch lol. 2 metal peices > physics __________________ 410rwhp 520rwtq @ 12.9 psi

July 14th, 2011, 02:15 AM	#6
NeverEnuff Hardcore Enthusiast 1989 LX Coupe 7.1@99mph Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 1,695 iTrader: 0 reviews	I don't beleive that to be the thermostat. Physically impossible. Its prob the cap to the tank and it fell apart. IDK But hey Mike. I want those wheels! Those are my fav! __________________ 89 LX Coupe-Carb'd 32v-437rwhp NA, 592rwhp N20 01 Bullitt-32v swapped 96 GT-Cammed E85 www.KPERacing.com

July 14th, 2011, 09:36 AM	#10
NeverEnuff Hardcore Enthusiast 1989 LX Coupe 7.1@99mph Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 1,695 iTrader: 0 reviews	^ Some ppl think that removing them will make the car run better and faster, but keeping the motor cold...what they don't know is the car never getting warm will keep it in 'cold' start mode and it will never swap over to warm fuel tables and run rich all the time, making it actually slower...and worse MPG... __________________ 89 LX Coupe-Carb'd 32v-437rwhp NA, 592rwhp N20 01 Bullitt-32v swapped 96 GT-Cammed E85 www.KPERacing.com

July 13th, 2011, 10:43 PM	#2
OptionalStang Banned 1997 cougar 4.6 1/2PI TooFast4theFUZZ Join Date: May 2011 Location: se wi Posts: 991 iTrader: 1 reviews	thats motor sounds very fishy...lucky it even cranked

July 13th, 2011, 11:49 PM	#4
1996 GT Traction...? 1996 GT/ 2008 GT Vert Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Canada Posts: 2,207 iTrader: 0 reviews	Man, if you come across a 96 or 97 mark viii 4v engine pick that up instead.

July 14th, 2011, 03:23 AM	#7
Mohater Newbie Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 6 iTrader: 0 reviews	Wow, flashback to Oki. Did you make sure there wasn't a milkshake before you cranked it? That bottom end might not yet be wasted after all. You can start it to see if it starts bone dry without wasting any coolant. How'd you pull it home?

July 14th, 2011, 09:49 AM	#11
mtw002 Enthusiast 2003 vert gt 12.703@ 107.65 KCIR Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Colorado Springs CO Posts: 662 iTrader: 0 reviews	I'm aware of that. I'll head over in a bit and pull a plug and see if its getting spark. I swear its getting fuel because i can smell it when i crank it over. And I'm hoping its not a pats problem. __________________ Cars Dont Power The Front Wheels, They Lift Them 4v teksid block w/2v heads FINISHED 14 April 2010 2003 vert gt 2v teskid build 12.7 @ 107 (SOLD) 1989 mustang lx

July 14th, 2011, 12:41 PM	#12
mtw002 Enthusiast 2003 vert gt 12.703@ 107.65 KCIR Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Colorado Springs CO Posts: 662 iTrader: 0 reviews	OK so after going back over and looking at it. It is turning over and pumping fuel out the (L) exhaust pipe. Checking for spark. If no spark on (L) side i'll check the (R). If spark on (R) side i'll swap coil packs and see if maybe its just a bad coil. __________________ Cars Dont Power The Front Wheels, They Lift Them 4v teksid block w/2v heads FINISHED 14 April 2010 2003 vert gt 2v teskid build 12.7 @ 107 (SOLD) 1989 mustang lx

July 14th, 2011, 01:42 PM	#13
mtw002 Enthusiast 2003 vert gt 12.703@ 107.65 KCIR Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Colorado Springs CO Posts: 662 iTrader: 0 reviews	What i thought was fuel pumping out of the exhaust turned out to be just water. So i checked the oil again. I must have over looked the milkiness of the oil. I pulled 2 plugs and found them both wet. Once letting them dry i checked for spark and had spark. So Now i'm thinking its a blown head gasket on the drivers side. Should i just be cheap and slap a head gasket on it, or should get the pi swap stuff and do another pi swapped teskid motor? __________________ Cars Dont Power The Front Wheels, They Lift Them 4v teksid block w/2v heads FINISHED 14 April 2010 2003 vert gt 2v teskid build 12.7 @ 107 (SOLD) 1989 mustang lx

July 14th, 2011, 01:48 PM	#14
Mohater Newbie Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 6 iTrader: 0 reviews	You need to pull the heads and see if one or both are warped, check the deck of the block too. Then there's the uncertainty of the bearings, if he ran it long enough to wash them out.

July 14th, 2011, 01:54 PM	#15
mtw002 Enthusiast 2003 vert gt 12.703@ 107.65 KCIR Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Colorado Springs CO Posts: 662 iTrader: 0 reviews	I'm going to drain the oil dry the plugs and put some used oil i have lying around in it and drain the radiator. Just to see if it will even start. I've got a set of pi heads and intake. but I need cams. And i think i'll want to use N/A cams this time. __________________ Cars Dont Power The Front Wheels, They Lift Them 4v teksid block w/2v heads FINISHED 14 April 2010 2003 vert gt 2v teskid build 12.7 @ 107 (SOLD) 1989 mustang lx

July 14th, 2011, 02:34 PM	#16
NeverEnuff Hardcore Enthusiast 1989 LX Coupe 7.1@99mph Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 1,695 iTrader: 0 reviews	Head I doubt are warped. Thats the best part about huge modular heads...hard to warp them. Trust me. __________________ 89 LX Coupe-Carb'd 32v-437rwhp NA, 592rwhp N20 01 Bullitt-32v swapped 96 GT-Cammed E85 www.KPERacing.com

July 14th, 2011, 02:37 PM	#17
NeverEnuff Hardcore Enthusiast 1989 LX Coupe 7.1@99mph Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 1,695 iTrader: 0 reviews	Dibs on the wheels. __________________ 89 LX Coupe-Carb'd 32v-437rwhp NA, 592rwhp N20 01 Bullitt-32v swapped 96 GT-Cammed E85 www.KPERacing.com

July 14th, 2011, 11:43 PM	#19
GMoney98 Regular 1998 Mustang GT 13.22@106.42 Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: East Peoria, IL Posts: 149 iTrader: 0 reviews	i got new pi cams for sale if needed and npi heads __________________ PI Heads & Intake\ Hitech Stage 2 Cams\ Borla Cat-Back\ O/R X pipe\ BBK Shorties\ 3.73 Gears\ BBK CIA\ BBK 78mm TB&P\ BBK U/P\ B&M Shifter\ Diablo tuned\ Eibach springs\ Tokico D-spec adj\ CC plates\ Eibach F/R sway bars\ Sub-F cn\ 290rw ponys

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July 14th, 2011, 11:16 PM	#18
mtw002 Enthusiast 2003 vert gt 12.703@ 107.65 KCIR Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Colorado Springs CO Posts: 662 iTrader: 0 reviews	Well I got the 4v block tore down to a short block. Hopefully I'll get the PI heads tomorrow or tonight. And Matt I forgot but the cams that come with the heads are actually off my 03 gt. anyone need some 4v B heads? __________________ Cars Dont Power The Front Wheels, They Lift Them 4v teksid block w/2v heads FINISHED 14 April 2010 2003 vert gt 2v teskid build 12.7 @ 107 (SOLD) 1989 mustang lx

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