[4point6GT]

it says 78 hp 4 $299, what do you guys think ???seem it on fast fords mag.

[ChrisJ]

water/meth injection is for real...And it is awesome...But to give exact numbers on gains I cannot...I have never seen a before and after dyno sheet of it...

you can also make an intercooler sprayer from a windshield wiper fliud resevior...

[Drgnracin72]

theres not rel need for methanol injection on an intercolled s/c but withpout its a big deal. ive seen as much as 92 whp. its for real and its awsome

[4point6GT]

so does that hp become part of ur engine or is it like Nos that u have to be pressin a button whenever u want that extra power ???

[Drgnracin72]

well first of all you have to have a s/c. then it is controlled by boost(vacuum). you have to have a tune becasue you need to pull a little bit of timing for it to do any good. and also you have to keep an eye on the level of methanol in the system. if it gets low you can hurt the motor if its expecting the methanol. the mix does not burn and it just super freezes the air as its coming into the motor.

[Sa-WaitNoMustang900Turbo]

Im pretty sure methanol burns, In fact I have direct personal experience confirming that it is the most explosive alcohol. It is the fuel that F1 uses

only the WI mix does not burn

I explained in detail in my last post about this how methanol an water injections worked in engines, im just too lazy go find it

yeah, and man first you need to have a s/c

MI on large displacement diesel engines I know can see hp increases of about 100 and gobs more torque than that, but they're boosting around 4-5 times what yall do

also, alot of the hp increase you can see with WI and MI is an icrease in boost capabilities with it, not so much the inj. itself(im sure most of yall already knew this, so sorry)

[Drgnracin72]

yeah but in this application the methanol is not burning! it is colling the intake charge down.

[Sa-WaitNoMustang900Turbo]

it does both, trust me! Methanol is dangerously explosive to spark, especially under the high temperatures in an engine. It is impossible for it to not burn. But the cooling is far more important and almost all of what allows you to run more boost.

[mdvaldosta]

Methanol is burning, but it burns much more controlled. Only part of the horsepower comes from the cooling, most all of it comes from being able to add more timing. With or without an intercooler it can really really make big power... but only if tuned for it.

Running methanol injection will likely hurt horsepower unless you increase ignition timing for it. What it does is boosts the octane the equivelant of race fuel. You can run some insane timing (like as much as 36*) to make insane power.

Really, that' where the methanol injection makes power... it's all in the timing and nothing more. Now... water injection will cool the charge just like an intercooler... but once again you have to add timing to see that.

I like the Boost Cooler idea, the only problem though is I have a tough time convincing myself to run 26* (or more) timing on my car. If the water or methanol injection were to fail with that much timing in the car... well you know what'd happen.

[Sa-WaitNoMustang900Turbo]

well, im only speaking from what most 900 guys do, road car distributers back in 1984 couldnt change timing durring WI or MI, so more boost was added(we've got boost limiters which prevents our engines from being harmed if the WI or something else would break, or lower octane would be used). Cooler charge slows reaction rate in in combustion, raising effective octane in the combustion chamber (better timing or boost)

I thought yall could some how tune your cars to change timing uder certain conditions? I guess you need a special racing ecu for that? Or a rigged up something or another.

us 900 guys only fool with WI not MI

BTW do what we do with a boost controller/limiter that way you wont have to worry! You can always pull boost but not timing! And your engine will last A LOT longer.

and yes an extra injector using methanol will increase your octane, but it does cool the charge too which essintially does the same thing.

but i believe the dumb forum argument was whether CH3OH burned or not, lol

[mustang_montana]

ive heard of insane gains with snow performance boost cooler, on aftercooled and non aftercooled setups. this guy nanaki on the mustangforums gained something like 42whp using a boost cooler on his s-trim non aftercooled vortech setup. dont know much about the methanol setups, but they made some monster power with a deisel on the show trucks

[davestang]

Hey! I have the Snow Performance kit on my car. My tuner says it's not really doing anything for me. I'm running 16psi from a Procharger... it's a 96 mustang GT with 8.5:1 compression ratio. The timing is at 12-13 degrees. He said it's good insurance against detonation though. Shouldn't I be getting more timing with the MI??? Did my tuner do a bad job? Anyone else with MI experience let me know!

[ChrisJ]

I think you should at least be seeing something from it...

Can you run anymore timing with it?

I know Stangliter04 ran a meth kit on his car and then took it off...