PI intake and cams

jbm5781 · August 1st, 2007, 08:07 PM

Hey guys, Have any of you done a PI cam swap yet? If so, can you give me any idea as to how much power I can expect to gain from it. I'm planning on doing a PI intake swap as well. My sorry intake finally broke so its time to upgrade. Also, anyone know of someone who may have an intake and/or cams for sale at a reasonable price?

Boomer · August 1st, 2007, 08:11 PM

My friends car picked up 47 rwhp with a tune, his had 79,000 miles on the clock.

Edit: pi intake and pi cams (degreed)

jbm5781 · August 1st, 2007, 08:21 PM

Well, I've got 91 and some change on mine. Would I have to change the timing at all due to the PI cams?

Boomer · August 1st, 2007, 09:50 PM

Not really change the timing, the factory gears are poor quality off by 3* to 6* (*= degrees) up to a total of 9* from bank to bank. If you really plan to degree the cams I can get you the cam card and plenty of pointers on how to perform it correctly. I have done a ton of these, it is not hard just takes patients and time or some beer...LOL

jbm5781 · August 1st, 2007, 09:54 PM

Yeah that would be great. I am getting anxious as hell about getting this swap done. I just want to see how much of a difference this will make. I had an 02 GT conv. and I would love it if I could be close to that same power range.

MustangMatt96GT · August 1st, 2007, 10:37 PM

Hey boomer I what is a cam card?

Boomer · August 1st, 2007, 10:40 PM

You will be close, the npi heads get a bad rap, although they are not as bad as most think. N/A you can be with'in 5-15 rwhp of a 99+ stang.

Boomer · August 1st, 2007, 10:47 PM

Originally Posted by MustangMatt96GT

Hey boomer I what is a cam card?

When a company grinds a cam they take measurements of the timing events and at the points they occur. They ship a slip that shows the events, opening and closing points in degrees, Intake and exhaust lobe seperations and such. Without a cam card it is tough to check the precision of the machine work of the cams, one little booboo on the machine work can cost a engine.....

MustangMatt96GT · August 1st, 2007, 10:49 PM

oh so you are saying you have the cam cards for a PI cam. I see!

Boomer · August 1st, 2007, 10:57 PM

yes, I have one. I also have a few tricks to improve the timing to make power increase with the P.I cams

RandoGT · August 2nd, 2007, 01:08 AM

i must know these tricks! lol. i'll be doing the PI swap in the near future hopefully. just need to pay for my first semester of school and then save up for the parts. and hopefully but then, i can have some mechanical experience to do the swap myself and if not, Slater's Mustangs here i come (shop in Houston)

AnglicoGT98 · August 2nd, 2007, 06:13 AM

Yeah Boomer hook us up with that sh*t!! lol. I want to get all the power I can with that swap also!!

Boomer · August 2nd, 2007, 07:59 AM

It is in the intake lobe centerline, I advanced them 3* over what the factory card showed. Crower suggested 2*, at 3* it was far more impressive all the way to 5800 rpm. It is not a huge secret, but it does help a ton.

AnglicoGT98 · August 2nd, 2007, 01:43 PM

This is probably a dumb question but...How do you change the degrees?? Do you adjust the cam gear? And you can do it stock parts right?

Boomer · August 2nd, 2007, 02:46 PM

Yes and Yes, no such thing as a dumb question...

G.T. Rags · August 2nd, 2007, 03:00 PM

How do i make a N/A 2.3 fast?

AnglicoGT98 · August 2nd, 2007, 03:54 PM

So what would I need to do to degree my PI cams? I am putting in PI heads and intake also. Is therea site that lays all this stuff out so we can read up on it??

Boomer · August 2nd, 2007, 05:47 PM

Comp cams has a write up on their site about degreeing.

Smoothgrandmama · August 2nd, 2007, 05:59 PM

Originally Posted by RandoGT

i must know these tricks! lol. i'll be doing the PI swap in the near future hopefully. just need to pay for my first semester of school and then save up for the parts. and hopefully but then, i can have some mechanical experience to do the swap myself and if not, Slater's Mustangs here i come (shop in Houston)

Houston!!!! FTW!!!!

AnglicoGT98 · August 3rd, 2007, 07:15 AM

And that write up can be applied to pretty much all cams right...not just theirs (comp cams)??

August 1st, 2007, 08:07 PM	#1
jbm5781 Regular Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Hattiesburg,MS Posts: 235 iTrader: 0 reviews	PI intake and cams Hey guys, Have any of you done a PI cam swap yet? If so, can you give me any idea as to how much power I can expect to gain from it. I'm planning on doing a PI intake swap as well. My sorry intake finally broke so its time to upgrade. Also, anyone know of someone who may have an intake and/or cams for sale at a reasonable price? __________________ Who cares what your import looks like... They'll all be laughing at you at the finish line.

August 1st, 2007, 08:11 PM	#2
Boomer Enthusiast Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: warren, Mi Posts: 941 iTrader: 0 reviews	My friends car picked up 47 rwhp with a tune, his had 79,000 miles on the clock. Edit: pi intake and pi cams (degreed) __________________ Just another 10 second Mustang, what did you expect ? http://youtube.com/watch?v=BgykaUrmfvM

August 1st, 2007, 08:21 PM	#3
jbm5781 Regular Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Hattiesburg,MS Posts: 235 iTrader: 0 reviews	Well, I've got 91 and some change on mine. Would I have to change the timing at all due to the PI cams? __________________ Who cares what your import looks like... They'll all be laughing at you at the finish line.

August 1st, 2007, 09:50 PM	#4
Boomer Enthusiast Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: warren, Mi Posts: 941 iTrader: 0 reviews	Not really change the timing, the factory gears are poor quality off by 3* to 6* (= degrees) up to a total of 9 from bank to bank. If you really plan to degree the cams I can get you the cam card and plenty of pointers on how to perform it correctly. I have done a ton of these, it is not hard just takes patients and time or some beer...LOL __________________ Just another 10 second Mustang, what did you expect ? http://youtube.com/watch?v=BgykaUrmfvM

August 1st, 2007, 09:54 PM	#5
jbm5781 Regular Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Hattiesburg,MS Posts: 235 iTrader: 0 reviews	Yeah that would be great. I am getting anxious as hell about getting this swap done. I just want to see how much of a difference this will make. I had an 02 GT conv. and I would love it if I could be close to that same power range. __________________ Who cares what your import looks like... They'll all be laughing at you at the finish line.

August 1st, 2007, 10:37 PM	#6
MustangMatt96GT Proud American 1996 Mustang GT Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Lakewood, CO Posts: 10,689 iTrader: 3 reviews	Hey boomer I what is a cam card? __________________ RIP Travis Billings Special Thanks to: Andrews Racing Transmissions Baseline Suspensions 25.3 SFI Chassis Build Never Lift Racecars

August 1st, 2007, 10:40 PM	#7
Boomer Enthusiast Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: warren, Mi Posts: 941 iTrader: 0 reviews	You will be close, the npi heads get a bad rap, although they are not as bad as most think. N/A you can be with'in 5-15 rwhp of a 99+ stang. __________________ Just another 10 second Mustang, what did you expect ? http://youtube.com/watch?v=BgykaUrmfvM

August 1st, 2007, 10:49 PM	#9
MustangMatt96GT Proud American 1996 Mustang GT Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Lakewood, CO Posts: 10,689 iTrader: 3 reviews	oh so you are saying you have the cam cards for a PI cam. I see! __________________ RIP Travis Billings Special Thanks to: Andrews Racing Transmissions Baseline Suspensions 25.3 SFI Chassis Build Never Lift Racecars

August 1st, 2007, 10:57 PM	#10
Boomer Enthusiast Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: warren, Mi Posts: 941 iTrader: 0 reviews	yes, I have one. I also have a few tricks to improve the timing to make power increase with the P.I cams __________________ Just another 10 second Mustang, what did you expect ? http://youtube.com/watch?v=BgykaUrmfvM

August 2nd, 2007, 01:08 AM	#11
RandoGT Enthusiast 1998 Mustang GT Need to hit the track Join Date: May 2007 Location: Katy, TX Posts: 856 iTrader: 0 reviews	i must know these tricks! lol. i'll be doing the PI swap in the near future hopefully. just need to pay for my first semester of school and then save up for the parts. and hopefully but then, i can have some mechanical experience to do the swap myself and if not, Slater's Mustangs here i come (shop in Houston)

August 2nd, 2007, 06:13 AM	#12
AnglicoGT98 Enthusiast Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Coral Springs, FL Posts: 630 iTrader: 2 reviews	Yeah Boomer hook us up with that sh*t!! lol. I want to get all the power I can with that swap also!! __________________ Parting out 2003 SVT Cobra Air/Fuel http://www.moddedmustangs.com/forums...003-cobra.html Engine http://www.moddedmustangs.com/forums...003-cobra.html

August 2nd, 2007, 07:59 AM	#13
Boomer Enthusiast Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: warren, Mi Posts: 941 iTrader: 0 reviews	It is in the intake lobe centerline, I advanced them 3* over what the factory card showed. Crower suggested 2, at 3 it was far more impressive all the way to 5800 rpm. It is not a huge secret, but it does help a ton. __________________ Just another 10 second Mustang, what did you expect ? http://youtube.com/watch?v=BgykaUrmfvM

August 2nd, 2007, 01:43 PM	#14
AnglicoGT98 Enthusiast Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Coral Springs, FL Posts: 630 iTrader: 2 reviews	This is probably a dumb question but...How do you change the degrees?? Do you adjust the cam gear? And you can do it stock parts right? __________________ Parting out 2003 SVT Cobra Air/Fuel http://www.moddedmustangs.com/forums...003-cobra.html Engine http://www.moddedmustangs.com/forums...003-cobra.html

August 2nd, 2007, 02:46 PM	#15
Boomer Enthusiast Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: warren, Mi Posts: 941 iTrader: 0 reviews	Yes and Yes, no such thing as a dumb question... __________________ Just another 10 second Mustang, what did you expect ? http://youtube.com/watch?v=BgykaUrmfvM

August 2nd, 2007, 03:54 PM	#17
AnglicoGT98 Enthusiast Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Coral Springs, FL Posts: 630 iTrader: 2 reviews	So what would I need to do to degree my PI cams? I am putting in PI heads and intake also. Is therea site that lays all this stuff out so we can read up on it?? __________________ Parting out 2003 SVT Cobra Air/Fuel http://www.moddedmustangs.com/forums...003-cobra.html Engine http://www.moddedmustangs.com/forums...003-cobra.html

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August 2nd, 2007, 05:47 PM	#18
Boomer Enthusiast Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: warren, Mi Posts: 941 iTrader: 0 reviews	Comp cams has a write up on their site about degreeing. __________________ Just another 10 second Mustang, what did you expect ? http://youtube.com/watch?v=BgykaUrmfvM

August 3rd, 2007, 07:15 AM	#20
AnglicoGT98 Enthusiast Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Coral Springs, FL Posts: 630 iTrader: 2 reviews	And that write up can be applied to pretty much all cams right...not just theirs (comp cams)?? __________________ Parting out 2003 SVT Cobra Air/Fuel http://www.moddedmustangs.com/forums...003-cobra.html Engine http://www.moddedmustangs.com/forums...003-cobra.html

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