Keep saving for pi or buy gears?

MustangMatt96GT · September 9th, 2007, 07:38 PM

just different flow rate. So when you get those heads on, you will have to make sure you switch the computer to the new injector size before you fire it up!

Dangle · September 9th, 2007, 07:41 PM

I bought my intake for $100 & PI heads w/ cams low miles for $350. Cheapest shop I found to do the install is $650. Then I still need to get it tuned. Same shop with SCT chip/ dyno tune is going to cost $550. Not to mention the Ford head swap kit is around $120-150. Then you have to add up all the little stuff; oil, anti freeze, PI water tube, maybe gaskets if you cant reuse them.

Or you can get gears and installed around $420-$450. Gears are around $189 new and ford install kit $45 dollars.

I dont know if this helps but this is what I have found. I am planning on doing it all to my 98 GT. I am debating if it is worth the cash to P&P those PI heads and gets some custom grinds on those cams. I havet decided if it is worth the money vs power gains.

MustangMatt96GT · September 9th, 2007, 07:46 PM

yea porting and polishing is well worth it! so are custom cams, its the difference between 235-245 RWHP and 285-305 RWHP

97gt · September 9th, 2007, 08:30 PM

so what price range am i looking at for a full engine rebuild with forged pistons, port and polish heads?

jersey98gt · September 9th, 2007, 08:37 PM

4k

nes · September 9th, 2007, 08:45 PM

i say pi swap.

97gt · September 9th, 2007, 09:06 PM

really? $4k damn should i just buy the gaskets and do it myself? right now i have the block stripped to just the short block and i recently just bought my pi setup. how hard would it be to rebuild it myself??

MustangMatt96GT · September 9th, 2007, 09:18 PM

well if you do all the labor for a fully forged assembly you are looking for about 2 grand and for gaskets around 500. Also, you need to go and get that block bored over .020 of and inch, to put new parts in it. I say do it ur self, but if you arnt mechianically inclinded dont!

97gt · September 9th, 2007, 09:24 PM

okay well my first question is does it need to be rebuilt. i think the engine had well over 120k miles, but no problems. i already have the block out of the car and stripped down to the shortblock. what should i do?

even if i do do it myself it would be a must for me to have the block bored over .020 of an inch? if i get any new parts it would be forged aluminum pistons and gaskets. i would still need the block bored?

MustangMatt96GT · September 9th, 2007, 09:31 PM

yes u will still need the block remachined for new pistons. and i say if you have it out and can afford forged internals go ahead and do them, or all aluminum if you are going to stay n/a no nitrous no nuthin. THe ligher the parts teh more power u will make, but also if you ever plan on FI or nitrous go forged.

97gt · September 9th, 2007, 09:36 PM

haha no i plan to stay n/a. all i want to do is basically keep the internals stock if everything is okay. i just need to know if the engine needs to be rebuilt due to high mileage. im on an extremely tight budget im 18 working a part time job and going to skool, i know your what 16 or 17? you know what its like lol.

MustangMatt96GT · September 9th, 2007, 09:41 PM

I would say re ring it while its out then. And yep its hard to do anything at this age with a hobby or addiction for me!

97gt · September 9th, 2007, 09:43 PM

yeah i hear ya! so how do i re ring it? do you mean get new bearings?

MustangMatt96GT · September 9th, 2007, 09:43 PM

nope the rings that are on the pistons!

97gt · September 9th, 2007, 09:45 PM

oh okay ill for sure do that then. thanks for your help ill let you know if i got any other questions. thanks!

Fryrice · September 9th, 2007, 10:56 PM

Originally Posted by k2boarder3187

Originally Posted by Fryrice

Originally Posted by k2boarder3187

i test drove the evo and fell in love with it. i still love mustangs tho....as for the supercharger it is sold

i was waiting for someone to say im a traitor... oh well if i coulda found a decent stang to buy i woulda went with it

:wink

97gt ,you want 19lbs injectors .Thats more than enough for your set-up and you dont need to mess with the computer..They look kinda orange,and your gonna have to reuse your NPI fuel rails and parts.. The systems are different on NPI vs. PI. They swap right over though. You have a return style.

BTW- Its best to start your own thread with questions.

97gt · September 10th, 2007, 12:50 AM

so the yellow ones on my npi intake are 19lb or are the pink ones on the pi intake?

yeah i know i tend to thrash up other ppls threads and im sorry about that. but i see other ppl talk about the problems i have and it just makes me want to ask about my own problems.. i dont mean too ill do my best to start my own next time

Fryrice · September 10th, 2007, 04:17 AM

They should look like this.

Dont worry about the thread thing homie. I was just mentioning it. Can you get a part # off the injectors you have ? If you get the # ,PM me. I dont wanna jack this thread anymore.

Damaso · September 10th, 2007, 11:41 PM

Ok i will shop around. what will i have to avoid on ebay when looking at heads. should i get them used or new.

Damaso · September 10th, 2007, 11:41 PM

Ok i will shop around. what will i have to avoid on ebay when looking at heads. should i get them used or new.

September 9th, 2007, 07:38 PM	#21
MustangMatt96GT All Throttle with a Bottle 1996 Mustang GT 12.91@105.29 @ 5800 FT Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Lakewood, CO Posts: 7,609	just different flow rate. So when you get those heads on, you will have to make sure you switch the computer to the new injector size before you fire it up! __________________ We expect shit to break, look foward to realizing exactly when it is happening, and than obsess about dropping plenty of cash to rebuild stronger, so we can try to run it hard as hell and break again. We are sick individuals. I support the MM Staff

September 9th, 2007, 07:41 PM	#22
Dangle Newbie 98 GT Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Austin TX Posts: 27	I bought my intake for $100 & PI heads w/ cams low miles for $350. Cheapest shop I found to do the install is $650. Then I still need to get it tuned. Same shop with SCT chip/ dyno tune is going to cost $550. Not to mention the Ford head swap kit is around $120-150. Then you have to add up all the little stuff; oil, anti freeze, PI water tube, maybe gaskets if you cant reuse them. Or you can get gears and installed around $420-$450. Gears are around $189 new and ford install kit $45 dollars. I dont know if this helps but this is what I have found. I am planning on doing it all to my 98 GT. I am debating if it is worth the cash to P&P those PI heads and gets some custom grinds on those cams. I havet decided if it is worth the money vs power gains. __________________ 98 Mustang GT 4.6L PI Swap, JLT Ram Air, FRPP 3:73, SVT CHIP, Ford 9mm Racing Wires, NGK Plugs, BBK Off-Road H Pipe, Dual Chamber Flowmasters

September 9th, 2007, 07:46 PM	#23
MustangMatt96GT All Throttle with a Bottle 1996 Mustang GT 12.91@105.29 @ 5800 FT Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Lakewood, CO Posts: 7,609	yea porting and polishing is well worth it! so are custom cams, its the difference between 235-245 RWHP and 285-305 RWHP __________________ We expect shit to break, look foward to realizing exactly when it is happening, and than obsess about dropping plenty of cash to rebuild stronger, so we can try to run it hard as hell and break again. We are sick individuals. I support the MM Staff

September 9th, 2007, 08:30 PM	#24
97gt Regular 1996 Mustang GT Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 454	so what price range am i looking at for a full engine rebuild with forged pistons, port and polish heads? __________________ 2002 mustang v6- Auto, K&N CAI, Flowmaster dual exhaust, Black bullits dd 1996 mustang gt- 5spd, black, cobra hood, stock November Birthday Club Founder

September 9th, 2007, 08:37 PM	#25
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September 9th, 2007, 09:06 PM	#27
97gt Regular 1996 Mustang GT Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 454	really? $4k damn should i just buy the gaskets and do it myself? right now i have the block stripped to just the short block and i recently just bought my pi setup. how hard would it be to rebuild it myself?? __________________ 2002 mustang v6- Auto, K&N CAI, Flowmaster dual exhaust, Black bullits dd 1996 mustang gt- 5spd, black, cobra hood, stock November Birthday Club Founder

September 9th, 2007, 09:18 PM	#28
MustangMatt96GT All Throttle with a Bottle 1996 Mustang GT 12.91@105.29 @ 5800 FT Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Lakewood, CO Posts: 7,609	well if you do all the labor for a fully forged assembly you are looking for about 2 grand and for gaskets around 500. Also, you need to go and get that block bored over .020 of and inch, to put new parts in it. I say do it ur self, but if you arnt mechianically inclinded dont! __________________ We expect shit to break, look foward to realizing exactly when it is happening, and than obsess about dropping plenty of cash to rebuild stronger, so we can try to run it hard as hell and break again. We are sick individuals. I support the MM Staff

September 9th, 2007, 09:24 PM	#29
97gt Regular 1996 Mustang GT Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 454	okay well my first question is does it need to be rebuilt. i think the engine had well over 120k miles, but no problems. i already have the block out of the car and stripped down to the shortblock. what should i do? even if i do do it myself it would be a must for me to have the block bored over .020 of an inch? if i get any new parts it would be forged aluminum pistons and gaskets. i would still need the block bored? __________________ 2002 mustang v6- Auto, K&N CAI, Flowmaster dual exhaust, Black bullits dd 1996 mustang gt- 5spd, black, cobra hood, stock November Birthday Club Founder

September 9th, 2007, 09:31 PM	#30
MustangMatt96GT All Throttle with a Bottle 1996 Mustang GT 12.91@105.29 @ 5800 FT Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Lakewood, CO Posts: 7,609	yes u will still need the block remachined for new pistons. and i say if you have it out and can afford forged internals go ahead and do them, or all aluminum if you are going to stay n/a no nitrous no nuthin. THe ligher the parts teh more power u will make, but also if you ever plan on FI or nitrous go forged. __________________ We expect shit to break, look foward to realizing exactly when it is happening, and than obsess about dropping plenty of cash to rebuild stronger, so we can try to run it hard as hell and break again. We are sick individuals. I support the MM Staff

September 9th, 2007, 09:36 PM	#31
97gt Regular 1996 Mustang GT Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 454	haha no i plan to stay n/a. all i want to do is basically keep the internals stock if everything is okay. i just need to know if the engine needs to be rebuilt due to high mileage. im on an extremely tight budget im 18 working a part time job and going to skool, i know your what 16 or 17? you know what its like lol. __________________ 2002 mustang v6- Auto, K&N CAI, Flowmaster dual exhaust, Black bullits dd 1996 mustang gt- 5spd, black, cobra hood, stock November Birthday Club Founder

September 9th, 2007, 09:41 PM	#32
MustangMatt96GT All Throttle with a Bottle 1996 Mustang GT 12.91@105.29 @ 5800 FT Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Lakewood, CO Posts: 7,609	I would say re ring it while its out then. And yep its hard to do anything at this age with a hobby or addiction for me! __________________ We expect shit to break, look foward to realizing exactly when it is happening, and than obsess about dropping plenty of cash to rebuild stronger, so we can try to run it hard as hell and break again. We are sick individuals. I support the MM Staff

September 9th, 2007, 09:43 PM	#33
97gt Regular 1996 Mustang GT Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 454	yeah i hear ya! so how do i re ring it? do you mean get new bearings? __________________ 2002 mustang v6- Auto, K&N CAI, Flowmaster dual exhaust, Black bullits dd 1996 mustang gt- 5spd, black, cobra hood, stock November Birthday Club Founder

September 9th, 2007, 09:43 PM	#34
MustangMatt96GT All Throttle with a Bottle 1996 Mustang GT 12.91@105.29 @ 5800 FT Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Lakewood, CO Posts: 7,609	nope the rings that are on the pistons! __________________ We expect shit to break, look foward to realizing exactly when it is happening, and than obsess about dropping plenty of cash to rebuild stronger, so we can try to run it hard as hell and break again. We are sick individuals. I support the MM Staff

September 9th, 2007, 09:45 PM	#35
97gt Regular 1996 Mustang GT Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 454	oh okay ill for sure do that then. thanks for your help ill let you know if i got any other questions. thanks! __________________ 2002 mustang v6- Auto, K&N CAI, Flowmaster dual exhaust, Black bullits dd 1996 mustang gt- 5spd, black, cobra hood, stock November Birthday Club Founder

September 10th, 2007, 11:41 PM	#39
Damaso Regular Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 159	Ok i will shop around. what will i have to avoid on ebay when looking at heads. should i get them used or new. __________________ 1998 GT 5spd- Full pi swap, Fenderwell CAI,UPR Catted X-Pipe, Mac FlowPath Cat-Back 1988 LX auto- Pypes violator cat-back, UPR X-Pipe, Shift Kit, 4.10 Gears, Pulleys, Suspension upgraded, CAI 1999 GT 5spd- CAI, Pypes violator cat-back

September 10th, 2007, 11:41 PM	#40
Damaso Regular Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 159	Ok i will shop around. what will i have to avoid on ebay when looking at heads. should i get them used or new. __________________ 1998 GT 5spd- Full pi swap, Fenderwell CAI,UPR Catted X-Pipe, Mac FlowPath Cat-Back 1988 LX auto- Pypes violator cat-back, UPR X-Pipe, Shift Kit, 4.10 Gears, Pulleys, Suspension upgraded, CAI 1999 GT 5spd- CAI, Pypes violator cat-back

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September 10th, 2007, 12:50 AM	#37
97gt Regular 1996 Mustang GT Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 454	so the yellow ones on my npi intake are 19lb or are the pink ones on the pi intake? yeah i know i tend to thrash up other ppls threads and im sorry about that. but i see other ppl talk about the problems i have and it just makes me want to ask about my own problems.. i dont mean too ill do my best to start my own next time __________________ 2002 mustang v6- Auto, K&N CAI, Flowmaster dual exhaust, Black bullits dd 1996 mustang gt- 5spd, black, cobra hood, stock November Birthday Club Founder

September 10th, 2007, 04:17 AM	#38
Fryrice Hardcore Enthusiast Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: VA Posts: 2,034	They should look like this. Dont worry about the thread thing homie. I was just mentioning it. Can you get a part # off the injectors you have ? If you get the # ,PM me. I dont wanna jack this thread anymore. __________________ Fryrice has left the building.

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