WITCH HEADS TO BUY??

mike96gt · September 13th, 2007, 11:44 PM

Hi every one my name is mike and i drive a '96 Mustang GT, its a 4.6 SOHC V8. I got this car about a month ago and I'm trying to add some modds. I was thinking of making my mustang into DOHC but I have no idea which heads would be the best for this model and would add the most power. So if anyone has any sugestions please help me.
THANK YOU.

HMUSN · September 13th, 2007, 11:46 PM

welcome to the forums.

It will cost you more to make your car a DOHC than it would to just buy a crate engine.

I suggest a pi swap or looking into patriot heads.

mike96gt · September 13th, 2007, 11:49 PM

how much do the heads cost

HMUSN · September 13th, 2007, 11:51 PM

the DOHC heads?

it wouldn't matter..

you need a bunch of other shit including drilling into your block to make them work..

heads made for your car.. around 15 hundred or so.

mike96gt · September 13th, 2007, 11:54 PM

where is the best place to buy pi swap

HMUSN · September 14th, 2007, 12:20 AM

there are a few people on this forum selling pi swaps.

sonicblue · September 14th, 2007, 07:25 AM

check here or ebay. vt makes some good heads but they are alittle pricey. vtengines.com

Boomer · September 14th, 2007, 09:32 AM

Originally Posted by HMUSN

I suggest a pi swap or looking into patriot heads.

Okay, you are starting to scare me. Anything but Patriot please.

jersey98gt · September 14th, 2007, 12:36 PM

boomer, whats wrong with patriots i know a kid running them (stage 1 with cams). for about 4k miles and no problems. You are a head porter so i would just like your .02

ModMustang97GT · September 14th, 2007, 01:01 PM

Yeah, why no Patriot? I am planning on getting a set of PI heads ported here soon, but I want to know, why not patriot? Those were the ones I was looking in to if I were to buy CNC machined.

sonicblue · September 14th, 2007, 02:09 PM

patriot got a bad rap a while back, they seem to have there shit together now. they are a decent head for the price.

Boomer · September 14th, 2007, 02:43 PM

You must not get around much,LOL. I on the average once a week there is a "my patriot heads suck" thread on one of the message boards. They bought 1000's of blemed castings from Ford, they were so bad Ford would not use them. Sorry, if it were me personally buying heads I would not buy them from a company that has had a bad reputaion. That couple hundred dollars you save buying possible junk isn't worth the cost of a new engine. I know a few LSX guys that have had troubles, I have also read about jeep guys having simular issues.

I have spoke to Gunnar several times and met him once, he is a good guy and stand behind product. That still does not cover the costs people have to pay ie; gaskets, down time, other broken or worn parts and labor.

Example, when you call a company and ask the about numbers and all they can give are cfm.......RUN !!!!!!!

The way the business should be done is port/build the head to suit the combo, not just a single program for everyone.

jersey98gt · September 14th, 2007, 08:34 PM

well in that case do you think it would be more advantagous to but a set of PI heads have them rebuilt with all new parts; springs, valves, retainers, etc.... custom port and get a custom ground cam?

ModMustang97GT · September 14th, 2007, 08:58 PM

Will a set of custom ground heads be able to flow as well as the CNC jobs? I assume it depends on the experiance of the porter, but, I want to know what the chances are the port job from an experianced local would be as good as a stage 2 job from Patriot (quality aside).

Boomer · September 14th, 2007, 11:10 PM

Here is how I view it, not trying to advertise. I spend hours working on a combo for my customers, looking for evey nitch of power to be found.

I have a cnc guy I deal with and have 8 different programs between P.I and NPI heads. I get them done cheap, this is just to get them close and saves me a ton of time hand porting. I lose a little money but save a ton of time.

You want power you have to pay, there is no way around it. You can't compare a custom set of heads to any "stage" (ricerism). There are little things that add up on a combo, heads alone are not always the big issue on a modular. To often people refer to the old days where there was a ton of power to had from just simple porting, now the manufacturers (factory) put this into mind for EPA standards.

mike96gt · September 15th, 2007, 12:18 AM

Does anyone know how much power does a PI swap give

MustangMatt96GT · September 15th, 2007, 12:24 AM

around 50 HP

mike96gt · September 15th, 2007, 12:35 AM

WOW? I tought it would add bit more.

96gtstang&V6 · September 15th, 2007, 03:54 AM

you could port the pi heads

G.T. Rags · September 15th, 2007, 04:02 AM

Originally Posted by mike96gt

WOW? I tought it would add bit more.

well think about it.........how much power does a 99+ GT have? 260

a NPI GT has 215-225.......and all a PI swap is taking the top half of a 99+ and putting it on the bottom half of a 96-98.

See where I'm goin with this?

September 13th, 2007, 11:44 PM	#1
mike96gt Newbie Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Hoffman Estates,IL Posts: 31 iTrader: 0 reviews	WITCH HEADS TO BUY?? Hi every one my name is mike and i drive a '96 Mustang GT, its a 4.6 SOHC V8. I got this car about a month ago and I'm trying to add some modds. I was thinking of making my mustang into DOHC but I have no idea which heads would be the best for this model and would add the most power. So if anyone has any sugestions please help me. THANK YOU.

September 13th, 2007, 11:46 PM	#2
HMUSN Doc 1986 SVO Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 36,836 iTrader: 9 reviews	welcome to the forums. It will cost you more to make your car a DOHC than it would to just buy a crate engine. I suggest a pi swap or looking into patriot heads. __________________

September 13th, 2007, 11:49 PM	#3
mike96gt Newbie Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Hoffman Estates,IL Posts: 31 iTrader: 0 reviews	how much do the heads cost __________________ "Any colour - so long as it's black"-Henry Ford

September 13th, 2007, 11:51 PM	#4
HMUSN Doc 1986 SVO Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 36,836 iTrader: 9 reviews	the DOHC heads? it wouldn't matter.. you need a bunch of other shit including drilling into your block to make them work.. heads made for your car.. around 15 hundred or so. __________________

September 13th, 2007, 11:54 PM	#5
mike96gt Newbie Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Hoffman Estates,IL Posts: 31 iTrader: 0 reviews	where is the best place to buy pi swap __________________ "Any colour - so long as it's black"-Henry Ford

September 14th, 2007, 12:20 AM	#6
HMUSN Doc 1986 SVO Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 36,836 iTrader: 9 reviews	there are a few people on this forum selling pi swaps. __________________

September 14th, 2007, 07:25 AM	#7
sonicblue Hardcore Enthusiast 1990 GT Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: dalzell, south carolina Posts: 1,436 iTrader: 0 reviews	check here or ebay. vt makes some good heads but they are alittle pricey. vtengines.com __________________ 1990 5.0 getting all fixed up for next season 2004 mustang gt 520rwhp, 491 trq sold

September 14th, 2007, 12:36 PM	#9
jersey98gt Enthusiast Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 661 iTrader: 0 reviews	boomer, whats wrong with patriots i know a kid running them (stage 1 with cams). for about 4k miles and no problems. You are a head porter so i would just like your .02 __________________ -BBK CAI, BASSANI CB + X, SCT 93 tune, 4.10s, Cobra brakes, Cobra R wrapped in nitto 555 tire. -College Football and studies take up the bulk of my time.

September 14th, 2007, 01:01 PM	#10
ModMustang97GT Hardcore Enthusiast 1997 Mustang GT Faster than an s4 Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 1,598 iTrader: 0 reviews	Yeah, why no Patriot? I am planning on getting a set of PI heads ported here soon, but I want to know, why not patriot? Those were the ones I was looking in to if I were to buy CNC machined.

September 14th, 2007, 02:09 PM	#11
sonicblue Hardcore Enthusiast 1990 GT Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: dalzell, south carolina Posts: 1,436 iTrader: 0 reviews	patriot got a bad rap a while back, they seem to have there shit together now. they are a decent head for the price. __________________ 1990 5.0 getting all fixed up for next season 2004 mustang gt 520rwhp, 491 trq sold

September 14th, 2007, 02:43 PM	#12
Boomer Enthusiast Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: warren, Mi Posts: 941 iTrader: 0 reviews	You must not get around much,LOL. I on the average once a week there is a "my patriot heads suck" thread on one of the message boards. They bought 1000's of blemed castings from Ford, they were so bad Ford would not use them. Sorry, if it were me personally buying heads I would not buy them from a company that has had a bad reputaion. That couple hundred dollars you save buying possible junk isn't worth the cost of a new engine. I know a few LSX guys that have had troubles, I have also read about jeep guys having simular issues. I have spoke to Gunnar several times and met him once, he is a good guy and stand behind product. That still does not cover the costs people have to pay ie; gaskets, down time, other broken or worn parts and labor. Example, when you call a company and ask the about numbers and all they can give are cfm.......RUN !!!!!!! The way the business should be done is port/build the head to suit the combo, not just a single program for everyone. __________________ Just another 10 second Mustang, what did you expect ? http://youtube.com/watch?v=BgykaUrmfvM

September 14th, 2007, 08:34 PM	#13
jersey98gt Enthusiast Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 661 iTrader: 0 reviews	well in that case do you think it would be more advantagous to but a set of PI heads have them rebuilt with all new parts; springs, valves, retainers, etc.... custom port and get a custom ground cam? __________________ -BBK CAI, BASSANI CB + X, SCT 93 tune, 4.10s, Cobra brakes, Cobra R wrapped in nitto 555 tire. -College Football and studies take up the bulk of my time.

September 14th, 2007, 08:58 PM	#14
ModMustang97GT Hardcore Enthusiast 1997 Mustang GT Faster than an s4 Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 1,598 iTrader: 0 reviews	Will a set of custom ground heads be able to flow as well as the CNC jobs? I assume it depends on the experiance of the porter, but, I want to know what the chances are the port job from an experianced local would be as good as a stage 2 job from Patriot (quality aside).

September 14th, 2007, 11:10 PM	#15
Boomer Enthusiast Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: warren, Mi Posts: 941 iTrader: 0 reviews	Here is how I view it, not trying to advertise. I spend hours working on a combo for my customers, looking for evey nitch of power to be found. I have a cnc guy I deal with and have 8 different programs between P.I and NPI heads. I get them done cheap, this is just to get them close and saves me a ton of time hand porting. I lose a little money but save a ton of time. You want power you have to pay, there is no way around it. You can't compare a custom set of heads to any "stage" (ricerism). There are little things that add up on a combo, heads alone are not always the big issue on a modular. To often people refer to the old days where there was a ton of power to had from just simple porting, now the manufacturers (factory) put this into mind for EPA standards. __________________ Just another 10 second Mustang, what did you expect ? http://youtube.com/watch?v=BgykaUrmfvM

September 15th, 2007, 12:18 AM	#16
mike96gt Newbie Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Hoffman Estates,IL Posts: 31 iTrader: 0 reviews	Does anyone know how much power does a PI swap give __________________ "Any colour - so long as it's black"-Henry Ford

September 15th, 2007, 12:24 AM	#17
MustangMatt96GT Proud American 1996 Mustang GT 10.76 @ 122 with d/a of 8365 ft Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Lakewood, CO Posts: 10,168 iTrader: 3 reviews	around 50 HP __________________ RIP Travis Billings Special Thanks to: Andrews Racing Transmissions Baseline Suspensions Blown Small Block Ford with a hole in the block. 9.5 Dart Block 400 CI being saved for. Just because you can fuck a cactus doesn't mean you should. Never Lift Racecars

September 15th, 2007, 03:54 AM	#19
96gtstang&V6 Enthusiast 1996 Mustang GT Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Tucson, AZ Posts: 750 iTrader: 2 reviews	you could port the pi heads __________________ 2002 mustang v6- Auto, K&N CAI, Flowmaster dual exhaust, Black bullits dd 1996 mustang gt- 5spd, black, cobra hood, stock November Birthday Club Founder Old username: 97gt www.discounttiredirect.com

September 15th, 2007, 12:35 AM	#18
mike96gt Newbie Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Hoffman Estates,IL Posts: 31 iTrader: 0 reviews	WOW? I tought it would add bit more. __________________ "Any colour - so long as it's black"-Henry Ford

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