Longtube debate

2000Mustang · October 22nd, 2008, 08:42 PM

I currently have an off-road X pipe that is hooked up to stock manifolds. I really dont want to replace the X pipe that is on there now, but i know i will have to if I go to longtube headers. How much more hp will I get from a longtube set-up with the X-pipe that I will need to make it work as opposed to short-tube headers with the X-pipe that I have now?

330CubeGt · October 23rd, 2008, 03:20 PM

Originally Posted by 2000Mustang

I currently have an off-road X pipe that is hooked up to stock manifolds. I really dont want to replace the X pipe that is on there now, but i know i will have to if I go to longtube headers. How much more hp will I get from a longtube set-up with the X-pipe that I will need to make it work as opposed to short-tube headers with the X-pipe that I have now?

You will make More HP hands down with LT's, If i were you i would buy the Lt's and sell your Mid pipe to buy the Mid pipe for the Longtubes.But i dont know if you are going to want the 8-10 hour aggravation of installing LT's Alot of people like to drop the K member when doing so.

2000Mustang · October 23rd, 2008, 04:52 PM

How much more hp will I see adding short-tube headers to my current set-up? Im in the middle of talking right now and im not sure if I should buy them.

03SuperchargedGT · October 23rd, 2008, 04:58 PM

your not gonna see a huge increase with shorties. I was in the same debate my self, and i decided to go with some mac long tubes ( only casue im an auto) and im gonna just cut down my current x-pipe to fit the new long tubes. For the install hassle that your gonna go thorugh your better off with long tubes. just my .02 censt

MikeD05GT · October 23rd, 2008, 07:01 PM

shorties just arent worth the hassle... i have longtubes and they are amazing.... drop the K member and the power steering shit...alot of work but will be much easier on the nerves

330CubeGt · October 23rd, 2008, 10:43 PM

Shorties help out very little and can be expencive.

ModMustang97GT · October 24th, 2008, 12:22 PM

A quality set of shorties is going to be pretty close to the cost of a set of MAC LT's and the gains from them are going to be a good 20% less hp than LT's and about 50% of the torque gains you would gain from LT's. The bottom line is, doing anything on the manifolds is a HUGE pain, but if you are going to take it appart. Do it so you never have to do it again. Just get the LT's.

GTsetGO · October 24th, 2008, 12:28 PM

mod motors react better to LT's than they do to shorties. that's just how it is.

on the 75 shot, i would say you could get 15-20 HP out of it.

Hourofpain · October 24th, 2008, 01:34 PM

definately long tubes
and you dont have to replace your crossover
just make sure when you get things cut, that you can still take it off the Lt's

MikeD05GT · October 24th, 2008, 01:41 PM

you dont have to cut anything...i have hooker longtubes...no cutting involved...a bitch to get in...but no cutting

03SuperchargedGT · October 24th, 2008, 04:18 PM

yeah you will not have to cut the long tubes but you will have to modify the x-pipe to fit the long tubes

MikeD05GT · October 24th, 2008, 07:44 PM

oh ok

i didnt know what you were talking about lol... the OP wants to use his mid pipe...YES you would have to cut!!

Hourofpain · October 25th, 2008, 12:46 AM

thats what i was saying lol

MustangMatt96GT · October 26th, 2008, 08:12 PM

Hooker Headers FTW...

But honestly i know my car gained quite a bit out of the BUTT DYNO with the LT and O/R X matching...

Super Comps FTW

MikeD05GT · October 27th, 2008, 08:55 AM

thats what i have. where did you get them matt? and how much you pay for them if you dont mind me asking.

MustangMatt96GT · October 27th, 2008, 10:20 AM

used, they had been receramic coated, included the x pipe recoated as well, some mils, and harness extenders for 750 shipped.

MikeD05GT · October 27th, 2008, 10:25 AM

fuck i got mine used too lol. i wanted to know where to get them brand new...

October 22nd, 2008, 08:42 PM	#1
2000Mustang Enthusiast 1998 Mustang GT Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Kansas City, MO Posts: 561 iTrader: 0 reviews	Longtube debate I currently have an off-road X pipe that is hooked up to stock manifolds. I really dont want to replace the X pipe that is on there now, but i know i will have to if I go to longtube headers. How much more hp will I get from a longtube set-up with the X-pipe that I will need to make it work as opposed to short-tube headers with the X-pipe that I have now? __________________ Off-road X pipe, Magnaflow mufflers, BBK cai, 3.73 gears, ZEX 75 shot (not hooked up), 17in. Bullitts, lowered

October 23rd, 2008, 04:52 PM	#3
2000Mustang Enthusiast 1998 Mustang GT Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Kansas City, MO Posts: 561 iTrader: 0 reviews	How much more hp will I see adding short-tube headers to my current set-up? Im in the middle of talking right now and im not sure if I should buy them. __________________ Off-road X pipe, Magnaflow mufflers, BBK cai, 3.73 gears, ZEX 75 shot (not hooked up), 17in. Bullitts, lowered

October 23rd, 2008, 10:43 PM	#6
330CubeGt MM Fanatic 1997 SVT COBRA 1996 Mustang V6 Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Orlando Posts: 4,880 iTrader: 14 reviews	Shorties help out very little and can be expencive. __________________ -04 IRS - Magnaflow - Wheel Replica - Autometer - FTBR - FRPP - SCT - Brembo - PRO 5.0 - BOI-

October 24th, 2008, 12:22 PM	#7
ModMustang97GT Hardcore Enthusiast 1997 Mustang GT Faster than an s4 Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 1,598 iTrader: 0 reviews	A quality set of shorties is going to be pretty close to the cost of a set of MAC LT's and the gains from them are going to be a good 20% less hp than LT's and about 50% of the torque gains you would gain from LT's. The bottom line is, doing anything on the manifolds is a HUGE pain, but if you are going to take it appart. Do it so you never have to do it again. Just get the LT's. __________________ Aztec Gold 97GT. MM CC Plates, Panhard Bar, SFC's & Tower Brace Eibach Sway Bars H&R Race Springs/Bilstein Shocks MAC CAI, LT's, Catted H and Pro-Dumps KB Boost-a-Spark 04' PI Motor Author of The Official Suspension Guide

October 24th, 2008, 12:28 PM	#8
GTsetGO Cigar Assassin 2004 Mustang GT 12.88 @ 112 Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: A Galaxy Far, Far Away Posts: 14,083 iTrader: 10 reviews	mod motors react better to LT's than they do to shorties. that's just how it is. on the 75 shot, i would say you could get 15-20 HP out of it. __________________ Cigar Samplers for Sale 2008 Acura TL-S - 2008 Honda Pilot EX-SE - 2008 Cain F Big Bear Paradox

October 23rd, 2008, 04:58 PM	#4
03SuperchargedGT Enthusiast 2008 Cadillac CTS4 Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Vancouver,BC Posts: 717 iTrader: 0 reviews	your not gonna see a huge increase with shorties. I was in the same debate my self, and i decided to go with some mac long tubes ( only casue im an auto) and im gonna just cut down my current x-pipe to fit the new long tubes. For the install hassle that your gonna go thorugh your better off with long tubes. just my .02 censt

October 23rd, 2008, 07:01 PM	#5
MikeD05GT MM Fanatic 2005 Mustang GT Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Cedar Grove NJ Posts: 3,204 iTrader: 0 reviews	shorties just arent worth the hassle... i have longtubes and they are amazing.... drop the K member and the power steering shit...alot of work but will be much easier on the nerves

October 24th, 2008, 01:34 PM	#9
Hourofpain Hardcore Enthusiast 2005 Torrid Red GTO m6 Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Virginia Beach Posts: 1,524 iTrader: 0 reviews	definately long tubes and you dont have to replace your crossover just make sure when you get things cut, that you can still take it off the Lt's __________________ 1996 Cobra To be sold... 2005 M6 Twin Turbo GTO Torrid Red Fully Forged LS2 Block Built to handle 1000RWHP. Fully ported Dart Heads. Edelbrock Jr Intake. Custom cut upper intake plenum. APS twin Turbo System with APS twin Fuel pumps.

October 24th, 2008, 01:41 PM	#10
MikeD05GT MM Fanatic 2005 Mustang GT Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Cedar Grove NJ Posts: 3,204 iTrader: 0 reviews	you dont have to cut anything...i have hooker longtubes...no cutting involved...a bitch to get in...but no cutting

October 24th, 2008, 04:18 PM	#11
03SuperchargedGT Enthusiast 2008 Cadillac CTS4 Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Vancouver,BC Posts: 717 iTrader: 0 reviews	yeah you will not have to cut the long tubes but you will have to modify the x-pipe to fit the long tubes

October 24th, 2008, 07:44 PM	#12
MikeD05GT MM Fanatic 2005 Mustang GT Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Cedar Grove NJ Posts: 3,204 iTrader: 0 reviews	oh ok i didnt know what you were talking about lol... the OP wants to use his mid pipe...YES you would have to cut!!

October 25th, 2008, 12:46 AM	#13
Hourofpain Hardcore Enthusiast 2005 Torrid Red GTO m6 Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Virginia Beach Posts: 1,524 iTrader: 0 reviews	thats what i was saying lol __________________ 1996 Cobra To be sold... 2005 M6 Twin Turbo GTO Torrid Red Fully Forged LS2 Block Built to handle 1000RWHP. Fully ported Dart Heads. Edelbrock Jr Intake. Custom cut upper intake plenum. APS twin Turbo System with APS twin Fuel pumps.

October 26th, 2008, 08:12 PM	#14
MustangMatt96GT Proud American 1996 Mustang GT Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Lakewood, CO Posts: 10,689 iTrader: 3 reviews	Hooker Headers FTW... But honestly i know my car gained quite a bit out of the BUTT DYNO with the LT and O/R X matching... Super Comps FTW __________________ RIP Travis Billings Special Thanks to: Andrews Racing Transmissions Baseline Suspensions 25.3 SFI Chassis Build Never Lift Racecars

October 27th, 2008, 08:55 AM	#15
MikeD05GT MM Fanatic 2005 Mustang GT Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Cedar Grove NJ Posts: 3,204 iTrader: 0 reviews	thats what i have. where did you get them matt? and how much you pay for them if you dont mind me asking.

October 27th, 2008, 10:20 AM	#16
MustangMatt96GT Proud American 1996 Mustang GT Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Lakewood, CO Posts: 10,689 iTrader: 3 reviews	used, they had been receramic coated, included the x pipe recoated as well, some mils, and harness extenders for 750 shipped. __________________ RIP Travis Billings Special Thanks to: Andrews Racing Transmissions Baseline Suspensions 25.3 SFI Chassis Build Never Lift Racecars

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MikeD05GT MM Fanatic 2005 Mustang GT Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Cedar Grove NJ Posts: 3,204 iTrader: 0 reviews	fuck i got mine used too lol. i wanted to know where to get them brand new...

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