My car wont start

jivepepper · December 11th, 2008, 07:11 PM

It's the pats, and for some reason it's not reading the key.

You will probably have to go to Ford and have a new key programed for it. Or you could get a tuner/chip. Then you or the person who does your tune can switch it off.

Reset · December 11th, 2008, 07:12 PM

i called a dealer and the operator guy said he had no idea, then he forwarded me to some fucking answering machine asking me to make an appointment.

So i have no idea what to do, i guess i'll call a different dealer.

Should i have AAA tow my car to a ford dealer and then have them reprogram the key?

Imran · December 11th, 2008, 07:40 PM

ford will charge higher. go to yellowpages.com and find a key programmer/coppier.

And i'd use sprite to remove that corrosion.

ColdSteel · December 11th, 2008, 07:46 PM

i thought that pats would allow the car to turn over but not turn on...i learned something today.

F8L GT · December 11th, 2008, 07:51 PM

^most of the time it does. Usually it will just turn over and not fire the coils.

Reset · December 11th, 2008, 08:09 PM

Originally Posted by ColdSteel

i thought that pats would allow the car to turn over but not turn on...i learned something today.

maybe that's it.. sorry i might have used the wrong terminology lol

F8L GT · December 11th, 2008, 08:16 PM

With PATS the engine will turn over but not fire. The theft light will blink rapidly. The PCM doesnt recognize the signal from the key so it doesnt tell the coils to fire. Once it reads the signal and it matches the one stored in the PCM, it will fire.

Reset · December 11th, 2008, 08:20 PM

Originally Posted by SMSPerformance

With PATS the engine will turn over but not fire. The theft light will blink rapidly. The PCM doesnt recognize the signal from the key so it doesnt tell the coils to fire. Once it reads the signal and it matches the one stored in the PCM, it will fire.

yeah that's whats happening, the light blinks rapidly. How could this have happened? i didn't drown my key or anything lol.

We tried to jump the car and do a rolling start, neither worked, so it isn't the battery.

Anyone know what kind of hell on earth i'm in for? Will i just have to get it towed to the dealership and then they just reprogram my key?

F8L GT · December 11th, 2008, 08:29 PM

For some reason they just lose their progamming. When I still worked at the dealership they were the only ones that could do pats systems and that was 4 years ago so I dont know nowadays. Back then it was $30 for a key and $30 to program if you only had one key. If you have no keys with a program I believe it was more because they have to tap into the PCM and trick it into thinking that you have a programmed key.

neverfastenough1 · December 11th, 2008, 09:17 PM

If you have AAA call them and tell them you lost your key. My wife lost her keys and our Road Side Assisstance through GEICO had the car towed to the dealer so they could reprogram the computer with a new key. She had to pay for the keys (she got two) and GEICO paid her back for them.

Reset · December 12th, 2008, 08:13 PM

Ok so i ended up getting towed to the dealership.. they had to cut 2 more keys and it costed me 250 (110 labor and 140 for keys). But at least it works now and i can go home this weekend.

thanks everyone for the input

RyanGT · December 12th, 2008, 08:37 PM

Glad it was nothing too serious. Im still on a tally of 5k and still have issues

F8L GT · December 13th, 2008, 09:01 AM

good to hear everything is ok. The PATS system can be a bitch.

neverfastenough1 · December 13th, 2008, 12:55 PM

Oh well, tried to save you 250 bucks.

jivepepper · December 14th, 2008, 05:49 AM

having my pats turned off

December 11th, 2008, 07:11 PM	#21
jivepepper I Post Entirely Way Too Much Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Under a sombrero Posts: 5,025 iTrader: 1 reviews	It's the pats, and for some reason it's not reading the key. You will probably have to go to Ford and have a new key programed for it. Or you could get a tuner/chip. Then you or the person who does your tune can switch it off. __________________ 665/541 WHP/WTQ 4.6L SOHC 2V ON 93 OCTANE PUMP GAS. NO METH INJ., NO E85, NO RACE GAS, N2O BABY BOTTLES! TRAP=POWER: 11.01 @135, IN SUMMER HEAT, 1350' TRACK, 315/35/17 DR'S

December 11th, 2008, 07:40 PM	#23
Imran :) 01 Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 10,795 iTrader: 1 reviews	ford will charge higher. go to yellowpages.com and find a key programmer/coppier. And i'd use sprite to remove that corrosion. __________________

December 11th, 2008, 07:46 PM	#24
ColdSteel Enthusiast 97 Mustang GT Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Central Oklahoma Posts: 625 iTrader: 1 reviews	i thought that pats would allow the car to turn over but not turn on...i learned something today. __________________ 97' GT 98' DSG Cobra

December 11th, 2008, 07:51 PM	#25
F8L GT !FACEPLATED! 2002 Mustang GT 7.84 @ 86.01 Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Upper Michigan Posts: 12,917 iTrader: 13 reviews	^most of the time it does. Usually it will just turn over and not fire the coils. __________________ MM Bracket Racing Crew Co-Founder ~Its a Drag Car, Not a Show Car~ LINK-->Custom Race Transmission Build<--LINK

December 11th, 2008, 08:16 PM	#27
F8L GT !FACEPLATED! 2002 Mustang GT 7.84 @ 86.01 Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Upper Michigan Posts: 12,917 iTrader: 13 reviews	With PATS the engine will turn over but not fire. The theft light will blink rapidly. The PCM doesnt recognize the signal from the key so it doesnt tell the coils to fire. Once it reads the signal and it matches the one stored in the PCM, it will fire. __________________ MM Bracket Racing Crew Co-Founder ~Its a Drag Car, Not a Show Car~ LINK-->Custom Race Transmission Build<--LINK

December 11th, 2008, 08:29 PM	#29
F8L GT !FACEPLATED! 2002 Mustang GT 7.84 @ 86.01 Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Upper Michigan Posts: 12,917 iTrader: 13 reviews	For some reason they just lose their progamming. When I still worked at the dealership they were the only ones that could do pats systems and that was 4 years ago so I dont know nowadays. Back then it was $30 for a key and $30 to program if you only had one key. If you have no keys with a program I believe it was more because they have to tap into the PCM and trick it into thinking that you have a programmed key. __________________ MM Bracket Racing Crew Co-Founder ~Its a Drag Car, Not a Show Car~ LINK-->Custom Race Transmission Build<--LINK

December 11th, 2008, 09:17 PM	#30
neverfastenough1 Hardcore Enthusiast 2002 Mustang GT Join Date: May 2007 Location: Savannah, Ga Posts: 2,789 iTrader: 3 reviews	If you have AAA call them and tell them you lost your key. My wife lost her keys and our Road Side Assisstance through GEICO had the car towed to the dealer so they could reprogram the computer with a new key. She had to pay for the keys (she got two) and GEICO paid her back for them. __________________

December 12th, 2008, 08:37 PM	#32
RyanGT MM Fanatic 2000 GT Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Lynnwood, Washington Posts: 4,258 iTrader: 4 reviews	Glad it was nothing too serious. Im still on a tally of 5k and still have issues __________________ 2000 Black convertible GT: KB 15psi, and other goodies... 1971 Datsun 240 z: Header and rebuilt motor. (The DD)

December 13th, 2008, 09:01 AM	#33
F8L GT !FACEPLATED! 2002 Mustang GT 7.84 @ 86.01 Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Upper Michigan Posts: 12,917 iTrader: 13 reviews	good to hear everything is ok. The PATS system can be a bitch. __________________ MM Bracket Racing Crew Co-Founder ~Its a Drag Car, Not a Show Car~ LINK-->Custom Race Transmission Build<--LINK

December 13th, 2008, 12:55 PM	#34
neverfastenough1 Hardcore Enthusiast 2002 Mustang GT Join Date: May 2007 Location: Savannah, Ga Posts: 2,789 iTrader: 3 reviews	Oh well, tried to save you 250 bucks. __________________

December 14th, 2008, 05:49 AM	#35
jivepepper I Post Entirely Way Too Much Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Under a sombrero Posts: 5,025 iTrader: 1 reviews	having my pats turned off __________________ 665/541 WHP/WTQ 4.6L SOHC 2V ON 93 OCTANE PUMP GAS. NO METH INJ., NO E85, NO RACE GAS, N2O BABY BOTTLES! TRAP=POWER: 11.01 @135, IN SUMMER HEAT, 1350' TRACK, 315/35/17 DR'S

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