Vortech & Cams OR Vortech & After/Intercooler

StuTheMusicEngineer · January 3rd, 2009, 11:24 PM

Hi guys...

so my goal is 410 to 420 to the wheels....

which option would be better for a daily driver...i have 66K on the engine and car.....please give specifics thanks all!!

Eagle2000GT · January 4th, 2009, 10:22 AM

From what I've read you would want both an intercooler and cams. If you can only do one or the other right now, I would pick the intercooler first.

2002BLGT · January 4th, 2009, 10:24 AM

I run a Vortech with a Paxton air/air intercooler

lilmarc1988 · January 4th, 2009, 12:58 PM

both

06RedfireGT · January 4th, 2009, 01:00 PM

A Novi 2000 with MPH blower cams.

B0B · January 4th, 2009, 03:25 PM

you don't want a non intercooled car with cams, you will fuck that shit up. 400 is pushing it on a non intercooled setup

hardhitter · January 4th, 2009, 03:41 PM

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B0B · January 4th, 2009, 03:49 PM

is that what you have on yours hardhitter? i would be very weary of putting that interooler on my car. i just think its cheap and shitty, probably doesn't do much except look cool

sxynerd · January 4th, 2009, 04:03 PM

Originally Posted by StuTheMusicEngineer

Hi guys...

so my goal is 410 to 420 to the wheels....

which option would be better for a daily driver...i have 66K on the engine and car.....please give specifics thanks all!!

I made 440 with a FMIC and a stock long block and exhaust manifolds w/ 10lbs.. If you're looking for solid safe number then go with the A/C or even a FMIC if you want to go cheaper.

Cool the charge before anything else.

2002BLGT · January 4th, 2009, 06:33 PM

those ebay intercoolers are cheap , probably dont fit the best but as long as you can fab them up and they dont leak I am sure they are alot better than nothing at all

StuTheMusicEngineer · January 4th, 2009, 07:05 PM

Originally Posted by 2002BLGT

I run a Vortech with a Paxton air/air intercooler

why do u prefer the air to air over vortechs Aftercooler?

StuTheMusicEngineer · January 4th, 2009, 07:06 PM

Originally Posted by B0B

you don't want a non intercooled car with cams, you will fuck that shit up. 400 is pushing it on a non intercooled setup

how will it hurt it?

B0B · January 4th, 2009, 07:20 PM

because that hot air with that much power is a recipe for detonation.. it just puts a ton of stress on your engine with all that hot air and power.

StuTheMusicEngineer · January 4th, 2009, 07:28 PM

Originally Posted by B0B

because that hot air with that much power is a recipe for detonation.. it just puts a ton of stress on your engine with all that hot air and power.

makes sense...thanks

DSG40TH2V · January 4th, 2009, 08:35 PM

Originally Posted by B0B

is that what you have on yours hardhitter? i would be very weary of putting that interooler on my car. i just think its cheap and shitty, probably doesn't do much except look cool

heres a picture of that same intercooler on my buddies 03 WRX .. has no problem what so ever .. car makes 409HP to the wheels at 33psi with a 2.3 stroker and the car has run a 11.4@120 no problems .. of course, the intercooler is 2 big for the stock bumper, but all he cares about is function lol

2002BLGT · January 4th, 2009, 09:34 PM

Originally Posted by StuTheMusicEngineer

why do u prefer the air to air over vortechs Aftercooler?

water/air coolers are more prone to heat soak in traffic , air/air if its large enough will not heat soak in traffic as bad and will recoup after getting hot after getting in clean air for about 1-2 minutes of driving at about 55 mph ......water/air will take up to 10 minutes to cool back down after being in heavier traffic

StuTheMusicEngineer · January 4th, 2009, 09:52 PM

Originally Posted by 2002BLGT

water/air coolers are more prone to heat soak in traffic , air/air if its large enough will not heat soak in traffic as bad and will recoup after getting hot after getting in clean air for about 1-2 minutes of driving at about 55 mph ......water/air will take up to 10 minutes to cool back down after being in heavier traffic

thanks

StuTheMusicEngineer · January 4th, 2009, 09:53 PM

Originally Posted by 2002BLGT

I run a Vortech with a Paxton air/air intercooler

was it hard to make the Paxton intercooler fit with the vortech? do you have any pics?

Boomer · January 4th, 2009, 10:13 PM

I am not a fan of after coolers either, for your particular I would run air to air. When I did the turbo on my old 96 I made all the hot and cold piping and used V bands. I'll see if i can find the link for the company I used to purchase a the prebent tubing for the cold side.

Raiden · January 4th, 2009, 11:19 PM

I run the Vortech with an Air to Water cooler..the extra power gained is definitely worth it.
Use and aftercooler then do the cams later....IMO

View Poll Results: Vortech & Cams OR Vortech & After/Intercooler
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January 3rd, 2009, 11:24 PM	#1
StuTheMusicEngineer Regular Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Queens, New York (from NC) Posts: 206 iTrader: 0 reviews	Vortech & Cams OR Vortech & After/Intercooler Hi guys... so my goal is 410 to 420 to the wheels.... which option would be better for a daily driver...i have 66K on the engine and car.....please give specifics thanks all!! __________________ 2004 GT....4.10s, SCT X Cal2, BBK Lts, BBK O/R Xpipe, Flowmaster catback with Super 40 mufflers, BBK 75mm TB & Plenum, K&N Filter w/no silencer, Steeda UDP, Steeda TriAx, and Steeda G-Trac stages 1, 2, 3, and 4, blower is on the way!!!

January 4th, 2009, 10:22 AM	#2
Eagle2000GT MM Fanatic 2000 Mustang GT 12.73@111.36 Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Shelbyville, IN Posts: 4,736 iTrader: 1 reviews	From what I've read you would want both an intercooler and cams. If you can only do one or the other right now, I would pick the intercooler first. __________________ ProCharger P-1SC, 9 psi, STD 396/383; Uncorrected 388/375; SAE 383/370 Mods list in Garage.

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January 4th, 2009, 01:00 PM	#5
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January 4th, 2009, 10:24 AM	#3
2002BLGT Banned Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Bedford VA Posts: 838 iTrader: 0 reviews	I run a Vortech with a Paxton air/air intercooler

January 4th, 2009, 03:25 PM	#6
B0B Boost gets you laid 2001 Mustang GT 12.93@113.7 (on the 18's) Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Milton, WA Posts: 2,601 iTrader: 2 reviews	you don't want a non intercooled car with cams, you will fuck that shit up. 400 is pushing it on a non intercooled setup __________________ '01 GT. Just a couple Bolt-ons. 0rwhp 0rwtq. Epic Turbo build in progress 2003 Rubicon (wheelin rig) 2008 Silverado 4x4 (towin rig/road queen) 2009 KTM 450 XC-W (Brap Brap!)

January 4th, 2009, 03:41 PM	#7
hardhitter MM Fanatic 1999 Mustang GT Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 3,610 iTrader: 1 reviews	eBay Motors: CXRacing 31x12x3 Intercooler Kit ECLIPSE MUSTANG SUPRA (item 190277056455 end time Jan-06-09 14:30:00 PST) __________________ Vortech V2 Si

January 4th, 2009, 03:49 PM	#8
B0B Boost gets you laid 2001 Mustang GT 12.93@113.7 (on the 18's) Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Milton, WA Posts: 2,601 iTrader: 2 reviews	is that what you have on yours hardhitter? i would be very weary of putting that interooler on my car. i just think its cheap and shitty, probably doesn't do much except look cool __________________ '01 GT. Just a couple Bolt-ons. 0rwhp 0rwtq. Epic Turbo build in progress 2003 Rubicon (wheelin rig) 2008 Silverado 4x4 (towin rig/road queen) 2009 KTM 450 XC-W (Brap Brap!)

January 4th, 2009, 06:33 PM	#10
2002BLGT Banned Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Bedford VA Posts: 838 iTrader: 0 reviews	those ebay intercoolers are cheap , probably dont fit the best but as long as you can fab them up and they dont leak I am sure they are alot better than nothing at all

January 4th, 2009, 07:20 PM	#13
B0B Boost gets you laid 2001 Mustang GT 12.93@113.7 (on the 18's) Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Milton, WA Posts: 2,601 iTrader: 2 reviews	because that hot air with that much power is a recipe for detonation.. it just puts a ton of stress on your engine with all that hot air and power. __________________ '01 GT. Just a couple Bolt-ons. 0rwhp 0rwtq. Epic Turbo build in progress 2003 Rubicon (wheelin rig) 2008 Silverado 4x4 (towin rig/road queen) 2009 KTM 450 XC-W (Brap Brap!)

January 4th, 2009, 10:13 PM	#19
Boomer Enthusiast Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: warren, Mi Posts: 941 iTrader: 0 reviews	I am not a fan of after coolers either, for your particular I would run air to air. When I did the turbo on my old 96 I made all the hot and cold piping and used V bands. I'll see if i can find the link for the company I used to purchase a the prebent tubing for the cold side. __________________ Just another 10 second Mustang, what did you expect ? http://youtube.com/watch?v=BgykaUrmfvM

January 4th, 2009, 11:19 PM	#20
Raiden Regular Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Ca Posts: 49 iTrader: 0 reviews	I run the Vortech with an Air to Water cooler..the extra power gained is definitely worth it. Use and aftercooler then do the cams later....IMO __________________

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