[neckbonekat]

Originally Posted by ChrisJ Most places calibrate the radar at the beginning and end of every shift... Radar Detectors are illegal in some states...i.e. Virginia...

Radar detectors are illegal in Va.? I didn't know that. I know the radar scrambler is illegal. That thing is cool. When you come in range of the radar gun it either reads all 8s or dashes all the way across. It gets wired into your car so it isn't noticible and it doesn't sit on your dash or anything. If your in traffic it's hard for them to tell which car has it. If you get caught you're in big sh*t!

[MSTGGT00]

Originally Posted by ChrisJ Yeah anything over 80 is reckless driving in VA... I got a ticket for 81 in a 65...Got hit with reckless driving but got it knocked down to 14 over... The person that went up to the judge before me got 84 in a 65 and the reckless driving stuck with her...She got charged for whole shabang... Gotta watch your speed bro...

Anything 10 miles over the speed limit is now reckless in VA dude, it use to be 20. Now it's 10. So... 35 in a 25. Good night G. Haha.

[MSTGGT00]

Oh FYI there are a ton of radar detectors that are suppose to run "Undetectable". Some friends have them since they ARE illegal here in VA, I here they actually work?

I'm gonna guess they do and get one.

How do radar detectors work as a whole? Never ran one? Do they detect radar way before you are near? If i am coming up behind a cop with a gun, will I know?

[neckbonekat]

Copied from: http://www.crutchfieldadvisor.com/S-...ar.html?page=1

How to Choose a Radar Detector

Some features to look for:

* Type of detector: There are three types of radar detector: corded, cordless, and remote-mount. Corded detectors usually mount on the windshield via suction cups, and provide the best range of detection. Cordless detectors are transported easily between vehicles, and provide a cleaner installation than corded models. Remote-mount detectors are permanently mounted to your vehicle, providing a clean installation that's virtually undetectable by thieves.

* City Modes: City mode turns down the range or sensitivity so that you get fewer false alerts; this feature is helpful for urban driving.

* Laser detection: A detector with one laser sensor can detect laser beams in front of you, but not behind you or off to the sides. 360-degree laser detection uses two sensors to look for laser pulses to the sides and behind you. Models with 360-degree laser detection tend to be more reliable, but more costly.

* VG-2 and Spectre protection: These are shielding technologies that let you know when police are using radar detector detectors (RDD). Spectre is a more advanced RDD technology that is currently being used in several states and Canada. Some detectors offer Stealth protection, which warns you and then shuts down the detector, while more expensive detectors offer Invisible protection — they may be shielded from VG-2, Spectre, or both, so they can continue operating without being discovered.

* Digital voice alerts: A voice alert tells you what your radar detector has picked up. You don't have to take your eyes off of the road to look at the detector's display.

* "Instant-On" Protection: Practically speaking, you can't really defend yourself against Instant-On radar; if it's been aimed at you, your speed has been measured by the time your detector gives an alert. However, if the radar was targeted on a car ahead of you, a detector with sensitive K-band reception will alert you. High K-band sensitivity is what allows manufacturers to promote a detector as giving Instant-On Protection.



Radar Detectors: Treat yourself to peace of mind
The freedom to relax and drive with confidence — that's what an investment in a radar detector can give you. Today's models combine simple, ergonomic design with up-to-the-minute technology. They can offer you affordable, convenient protection, not only from speeding tickets but often from driving hazards, as well.


How radar detectors work
Think of a radar signal as a beam of light from a flashlight. When you shine a flashlight at an object, your eyes perceive the light reflected from the object. Now imagine yourself as the object being illuminated. You can see the light from the flashlight from a much farther distance than the person with the flashlight could ever hope to see you. That's because the beam loses energy over distance. So while the beam has enough energy to reach you, the reflected light doesn't have enough energy to travel all the way back to where it started.

Police radar guns "see" a vehicle by transmitting a microwave pulse. Then they make use of the Doppler Effect: the frequency of the transmitted pulse is compared to the frequency of the reflection, and speed is calculated by using the difference between them.

That's the idea behind radar detectors. They look for radar "beams" and find them before they can return a strong enough reflection to "illuminate" you. Detectors use something called superheterodyne reception to accomplish this. Radar detectors are essentially microwave radio receivers that make noise or flash lights when they sense an incoming signal on specific frequencies. Superheterodyne reception allows detection of radar around curves or over hills, and it extends detection range straight ahead.

Different Types of Radar
The Federal Communications Commission has dictated that police radar must operate on specific frequency bands:

X-Band Radar: 10.5 - 10.55 GHz
Dating from the 1950s, X-band radar is the easiest to detect because of its lower frequency and higher power output. Depending on terrain, temperature and humidity, X-band radar can be detected from a distance of 2 to 4 miles, yet it can only take accurate readings of speed from a distance of 1/2 mile or less. Unfortunately, police radar is not the only source of X-band signals. Garage door openers, microwave intrusion alarms, microwave towers, and other high-tech equipment can fool a radar detector into giving off an X-band alert. Filters and redundant sampling are used to combat this "falsing."

K-Band: 24.05 - 24.25 GHz
K-band, the most common type of police radar, made its appearance in 1978. The first K-band hand-held radar guns could only be used from a stationary position. Later, a "pulsed" version was introduced that could be used from a stationary or moving vehicle. K-band radar waves have a relatively small wavelength and so are more easily absorbed by water molecules in the air. At the power level found in police radar guns, K-band has an effective clocking range of about 1/4 mile. Depending upon terrain (around a corner, over a hill, etc.), K-band waves can be detected from a range of 1/4 to 2 miles.

K-band guns also have what's known as "Instant-On" radar. This is basically a kill-switch option which keeps the transmitter in "hot standby" mode, ready to be activated by an officer when the target is within 200-300 yards. If it's been aimed at you, your speed has been measured by the time the detector alerts you. If it is being used to target vehicles ahead of you, your detector may provide a warning in time for you to adjust your speed.

Ka Photo Cop and Ka Wide-Band: 34.2 - 35.2 GHz
In 1987 the FCC allocated a frequency on yet another band, Ka, for police radar use. With that came the introduction of photo radar (also known as "photo-cop"). The photo-cop system works at 34.3 GHz and combines a Ka-band radar gun with an automated camera. A vehicle approaching at or above a predetermined speed will trigger the camera. The photo shows the front of the vehicle, license plate, driver's face, the date, location, and time. The unit can clock and photograph up to 200 vehicles per hour. Alleged speeders are not stopped. The film is processed and a citation is mailed to the registered owner of the vehicle, ordering him or her to pay the fine or appear in court.

Photo-cop's effective range is 120-300 feet and it transmits a continuous signal which is a plus for radar detectors. The distance at which it can be detected varies depending upon a detector's Ka-band sensitivity. Better detectors can typically sniff out a photo-cop system 1/4 to 1/2 mile away. Industry sources predicted widespread interest and expanded use, but that has not been the case — only a handful of cities use photo radar. Legal controversies along with prohibitive expense have caused officials to stick with more traditional methods of speed detection. The FCC later expanded Ka-band radar use to a range of 34.2 - 35.2 GHz. This became known as Ka Wide-Band

Ka Super Wide-Band: 33.4 to 36.0 GHz
The introduction of the "stalker" radar gun raised the stakes in the detection game. Unlike all previous guns — the Stalker can be FCC licensed for any frequency in the Ka-band between 33.4 GHz to 36.0 GHz, and so cannot be picked up by detectors designed only for X, K, and photo radar. Stalker guns are being used across the country. In response, manufacturers developed detectors with "Super wide-band" technology that sweeps all of the Ka-band allocated to radar, as well as providing continued protection against X, K, and photo radar.

VG-2 and Spectre RDD
In some localities, it's illegal to use a radar detector, and many areas have regulations against using detectors in commercial vehicles. Therefore, police have developed "radar detector detectors," referred to as RDD. These devices pick up oscillations emitted by the receivers in radar detectors, and inform police that a radar detector is being used. Many manufacturers now have models that are specially shielded to eliminate most of these emissions, or will shut down when they detect a RDD system in use.

VG-2 is a common type of RDD technology, and it works by detecting the oscillations on a single frequency band. Most detectors today are built to protect themselves from VG-2 detection, but a newer type of RDD technology, known as Spectre, has proven more difficult to circumvent. This is because Spectre operates on several frequency bands and can pick up more emissions from a radar detector.

Laser Detectors
Laser speed guns determine speed differently than radar guns. A series of light pulses is transmitted, and the difference in time between pulses and reflections is used to calculate speed. This all takes place very rapidly (at the speed of light, as a matter of fact). A single pulse typically requires only a few nanoseconds to transmit and return. The advantages of a laser gun are compelling: the laser light beam is far narrower than a radar beam, allowing more accurate pinpointing of a specific vehicle; and the total time needed for capturing a speed reading is less than half a second versus 2 to 3 seconds for radar.

The drawbacks are also important to note: laser guns are very expensive, they can't be used from a moving vehicle or from behind glass, and accurate aiming requires a tripod or a very steady hand. Despite initial claims to the contrary, a laser gun is detectable. And as the laser beam moves away from the laser gun, it widens and becomes even easier to detect. Vehicle speeds are typically measured at roughly 1,000 feet (1/5 mile); at that distance the laser beam is over 3 feet wide. Many of the laser detectors in use have a working distance of approximately 1-1/2 miles (at that distance a laser gun's beam covers two lanes of traffic).

Factors Affecting Range
According to a Car & Driver study, a significant loss in detection range occurs when vehicles contain windshields with metallic film embedded, and when commercially available tint films are applied.

Radar detection range is most affected by windshields with metallic film solar-barrier treatments, found in Ford products with Instaclear windshields, GM products with PPG and Everclear windshields, and in some high-end imports. In these vehicles, detection capability drops by a startling 95 percent!

Laser detection range is always affected by glass, sometimes losing up to 80% of its sensitivity. It's also affected by tint films — the darker the tint, the more loss. Some tint films contain a metallic layer, and these can reduce radar detection capability by as much as 37 percent.

[MSTGGT00]

Niceee info.

[vichael1]

Anything 10 miles over the speed limit is now reckless in VA dude, it use to be 20. Now it's 10. So... 35 in a 25. Good night G. Haha.[/quote]



When did that law change????

[MSTGGT00]

Probably not all that long ago. My dad was doing 37 in a 25 and got a wreckless driving. It was dropped though because of no speed sign and he proved he just moved to the state so he didn't know the default speed limit in a resd. here.

[neckbonekat]

That's crazy! My lisence would be so gone. I think ten over is average for me in the city. As long as your not doing it at the end of the month near quota time or your not the only car on the road, no one bothers you.

[MSTGGT00]

Exactly! I don't know how I survive sometimes, I always manage to be between 9 and 10 over... it's just a natural margin.

[neckbonekat]

My last ticket was for 84 in a 55. I was actually doing 86 but she didn't want to tow my car. Anything over 85 and she was supposed to. NYS doesn't care as long as you pay the fine.

[MSTGGT00]

Lmao. Here your car so woulda been towed.

[neckbonekat]

I guess so. You guy got it rough. Always have to keep the beast on a leash.

[MSTGGT00]

Haha, see I am from Jersey & NY Area. So I am use to my laws, they are like "ey' boofoo you speedin?"

(Don't ask, boofoo sounds cool)

You'd be all - "Yeah"

Then they right you a ticket, and your on your way. My dad got a 90 in a 55. No tow. Here they are like Wreckless driving at 10 over.

[neckbonekat]

Yeah I was just about to ask about the boofoo thing too. LOL

[MSTGGT00]

Boofoo sounds funny at 4AM ::shrug::

Or I'm just dumb... haha.

[neckbonekat]

I think the word you're looking for is tired. LOL

[MSTGGT00]

Exactly! See if I wasn't dumb...

I'd of known I meant to look for tired and not dumb...

[neckbonekat]

At least you spelled dumb right! :wink

[vichael1]

You can't do much of anything in VA

Commonwealth= down

[neckbonekat]

Certainly sounds that way.