5.4 Swap - NEED INFO

quiksilver225 · May 12th, 2009, 01:30 PM

i dont really wanna dump a ton of cash into a custom intake. what is gonna be my best option considering the following: expense, its a straight line car, power, future includes FI.

r3dn3ck · May 12th, 2009, 01:37 PM

are you staying on the 4v track?

quiksilver225 · May 12th, 2009, 02:03 PM

probably. still havent made my way out to new castle, but im gonna try to go tomorrow or thursday. seeing first hand what the 2V and 4V r capable of will allow me to decide. for now im 70% sure im going 4V

quiksilver225 · May 13th, 2009, 01:54 PM

what about the rad??? do i need a bigger one?

quiksilver225 · May 13th, 2009, 10:52 PM

met up with terry and shawn out at street lethal today. those guys seem to really know their stuff. i was extremely impressed with the simplicity of the 5.4 2V install they did. even with a turbo under the hood there still seemed to be a ton of extra room. using the bullitt intake w/ adapter plates shawn said no extensions were required for the wiring harness. a few wires were stretched pretty tight, but nothing bad. however, the 4V seems almost equally simple. the downside being the added expenses for exhaust, k member spacers, etc. So after having seen my options first hand ill definitely be doing the 4V swap. it seems silly not too. even with a set of TFS heads the 2V just i NOT as efficient. beside the fact that the $2,000 price tag negates the cheapness of the 2V swap. also, got to see terry do some tuning on a 03 GT w/ only an exhaust and 75 shot. his tuning seemed to be spot on. very impressed with the quality of service street lethal is capable of providing. he will definitely be my go to guy for the tuning.

im pretty pumped to finally know what direction im going, but this thread isnt finished yet. until this car is running to its highest potential im gonna be asking question after question so please, guys, stick around for the next month. i can still really use some help and i appreciate all the info thus far.

r3dn3ck · May 14th, 2009, 02:48 PM

going stock or ported 4v?

SGTPinder · May 14th, 2009, 02:52 PM

Piston Speed, I may be stepping in some crap, but i was just reading another 5.4 swap'ish thread, the same one you, quicksilver225, were commenting on, what is the deal with Piston Speed and 5.4 to 4.6, Someone had said the 5.4 pistons move faster therefor that causes them to lose power? I havent heard this until now, can someone shed a little light on this?

quiksilver225 · May 14th, 2009, 03:18 PM

Originally Posted by r3dn3ck

going stock or ported 4v?

stock for now. i dont have the cash to go to a machine shop. just got off the phone with terry again and he is coming up with a quote for me on a 5.4 short block bored 20 over from a 00 f-150.

quiksilver225 · May 14th, 2009, 03:23 PM

Originally Posted by SGTPinder

Piston Speed, I may be stepping in some crap, but i was just reading another 5.4 swap'ish thread, the same one you, quicksilver225, were commenting on, what is the deal with Piston Speed and 5.4 to 4.6, Someone had said the 5.4 pistons move faster therefor that causes them to lose power? I havent heard this until now, can someone shed a little light on this?

just another typical 5.4 swap hater. yes, the 5.4 does have a greater piston speed. because of the longer stroke the 5.4 doesnt want to rev as high. but these thing are torque monsters. without 4 valve heads the 4.6 does not make as much power. call any shop who has had a 5.4 mustang on the dyno. they will tell you the same thing. the 5.4 is gonna make better power every time compared to a 4.6 with the same heads. the haters claim that we have no proof of performance, but they have no real reasons against the swap! they lack information.

BakerFX4 · May 14th, 2009, 06:48 PM

Im going to do this with my 5.4 block. Keep everything else on the car the exact same and just swap out the shortblock. Of course, adapter plates and the exhaust will be different but im just going to bolt my 4.6 2v heads on it. So far, if i understand correctly, these are the things needed for the shortblock swap....

factory headers off of ________? (5.4 or 4.6)

adapter plates for intake

2v timing cover

New blower bracket or not for my procharger)

timing belt, guides, etc for 5.4??? or 4.6 stuff good? if needed, what stuff as i will just get it from the dealership.

More?

casper gt · May 14th, 2009, 09:14 PM

^ you prety much got it covered. just need the actual short block & your in.

quiksilver225 · May 15th, 2009, 03:27 AM

terry told me today that there wont be a need to drop the k member. he said he had a 4V in his car and the brakes were not an issue for him. anyone else have any info on this?

casper gt · May 15th, 2009, 10:56 PM

don't have any direct info as I wouldn't even consider a 4v swap but I would trust Terry on his recomendation's 100%. with out a doubt he has the most 5.4 swap experiance in s.w. pa.

quiksilver225 · May 15th, 2009, 11:03 PM

just talked to another local guy, Cannon from Speed Nation, who has done a 5.4 2V swap. he said a few thing which seem a bit iffy. he said that a tubular k-member should give me more space and eliminate any need to lower the k member. he also said that my 4.10s wont work out at all. he said that the car they did had 4.10s and fell on its face at 90mph. however that car had the stock truck intake and cams. my car as it sits makes it to 140mph. why would a motor swap eccect that much at all???

casper gt · May 15th, 2009, 11:12 PM

you said the key word at the begining "Speed Nation" how well would you expect a mustang to run coming out of a ricer shop? but IMO 4.10's with a stick & 5.4 swap is most likely a no-no. stock truck intake & cam's shows you pretty much what they know, I'm suprised it held together till then.

quiksilver225 · May 15th, 2009, 11:18 PM

ya, im not a huge fan of the place. cannons an inteligent guy, but he does some dumb shit. so i do i have to worry about topping out before i get to the finish? or is he full of shit?

quiksilver225 · May 15th, 2009, 11:20 PM

y wouldnt u do the 4.10s? traction?

casper gt · May 15th, 2009, 11:28 PM

2v I'd say no 4.10's unless you go with 28" rear tire's. 4v I'd say try & find out how they like to rev, (not a gt-500 for example but a shop built 4v). I'd say make it easy on your self & set a reasonable/acheavable goal as to how fast you want to go & what your willing to give up to get there & work back ward's from there (ie. I wanna go 10.0's what do I need to get there?).

casper gt · May 15th, 2009, 11:31 PM

Originally Posted by quiksilver225

y wouldnt u do the 4.10s? traction?

no, you can fix traction. it's that I'd be unshure of spinning a 5.4 like I would a 4.6.

quiksilver225 · May 16th, 2009, 12:03 AM

Ok. But just to clarify that idiot was completely wrong in saying I'd top out at 90, right?...

May 12th, 2009, 01:30 PM	#201
quiksilver225 Hardcore Enthusiast 1999 Mustang GT Join Date: May 2008 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Posts: 1,278 iTrader: 0 reviews	i dont really wanna dump a ton of cash into a custom intake. what is gonna be my best option considering the following: expense, its a straight line car, power, future includes FI. __________________ BBK CAI, March UDPs, Eibach Sportline Springs, MM C/C plates, Koni Yellows, Centerforce DF clutch, FRPP Billet Flywheel, B&M Pro-Ripper Shifter, BBK ceramic LTs, BBK catted X-Pipe, SLP LM1, EBC rotors, 4.10 FRPP gears 5.4 4V coming soon

May 12th, 2009, 02:03 PM	#203
quiksilver225 Hardcore Enthusiast 1999 Mustang GT Join Date: May 2008 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Posts: 1,278 iTrader: 0 reviews	probably. still havent made my way out to new castle, but im gonna try to go tomorrow or thursday. seeing first hand what the 2V and 4V r capable of will allow me to decide. for now im 70% sure im going 4V __________________ BBK CAI, March UDPs, Eibach Sportline Springs, MM C/C plates, Koni Yellows, Centerforce DF clutch, FRPP Billet Flywheel, B&M Pro-Ripper Shifter, BBK ceramic LTs, BBK catted X-Pipe, SLP LM1, EBC rotors, 4.10 FRPP gears 5.4 4V coming soon

May 13th, 2009, 01:54 PM	#204
quiksilver225 Hardcore Enthusiast 1999 Mustang GT Join Date: May 2008 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Posts: 1,278 iTrader: 0 reviews	what about the rad??? do i need a bigger one? __________________ BBK CAI, March UDPs, Eibach Sportline Springs, MM C/C plates, Koni Yellows, Centerforce DF clutch, FRPP Billet Flywheel, B&M Pro-Ripper Shifter, BBK ceramic LTs, BBK catted X-Pipe, SLP LM1, EBC rotors, 4.10 FRPP gears 5.4 4V coming soon

May 13th, 2009, 10:52 PM	#205
quiksilver225 Hardcore Enthusiast 1999 Mustang GT Join Date: May 2008 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Posts: 1,278 iTrader: 0 reviews	met up with terry and shawn out at street lethal today. those guys seem to really know their stuff. i was extremely impressed with the simplicity of the 5.4 2V install they did. even with a turbo under the hood there still seemed to be a ton of extra room. using the bullitt intake w/ adapter plates shawn said no extensions were required for the wiring harness. a few wires were stretched pretty tight, but nothing bad. however, the 4V seems almost equally simple. the downside being the added expenses for exhaust, k member spacers, etc. So after having seen my options first hand ill definitely be doing the 4V swap. it seems silly not too. even with a set of TFS heads the 2V just i NOT as efficient. beside the fact that the $2,000 price tag negates the cheapness of the 2V swap. also, got to see terry do some tuning on a 03 GT w/ only an exhaust and 75 shot. his tuning seemed to be spot on. very impressed with the quality of service street lethal is capable of providing. he will definitely be my go to guy for the tuning. im pretty pumped to finally know what direction im going, but this thread isnt finished yet. until this car is running to its highest potential im gonna be asking question after question so please, guys, stick around for the next month. i can still really use some help and i appreciate all the info thus far. __________________ BBK CAI, March UDPs, Eibach Sportline Springs, MM C/C plates, Koni Yellows, Centerforce DF clutch, FRPP Billet Flywheel, B&M Pro-Ripper Shifter, BBK ceramic LTs, BBK catted X-Pipe, SLP LM1, EBC rotors, 4.10 FRPP gears 5.4 4V coming soon

May 14th, 2009, 02:52 PM	#207
SGTPinder Regular 2004 Mustang GT Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: MA Posts: 73 iTrader: 0 reviews	Piston Speed, I may be stepping in some crap, but i was just reading another 5.4 swap'ish thread, the same one you, quicksilver225, were commenting on, what is the deal with Piston Speed and 5.4 to 4.6, Someone had said the 5.4 pistons move faster therefor that causes them to lose power? I havent heard this until now, can someone shed a little light on this? __________________ "I do not have to tell you who won the war. You know, the artillery did." ~Gen Patton K&N CAI, Spec Stage 1 Clutch, Spec Alum Flywheel, Steeda Clutch Adjust Kit, Eibach Pro Kit, 275s front, 315s rear, Insane Driver with Adrenaline Junkie Adapter

May 12th, 2009, 01:37 PM	#202
r3dn3ck Regular Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 302 iTrader: 0 reviews	are you staying on the 4v track?

May 14th, 2009, 02:48 PM	#206
r3dn3ck Regular Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 302 iTrader: 0 reviews	going stock or ported 4v?

May 14th, 2009, 06:48 PM	#210
BakerFX4 I Post Entirely Way Too Much Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Louisiana Posts: 15,607 iTrader: 14 reviews	Im going to do this with my 5.4 block. Keep everything else on the car the exact same and just swap out the shortblock. Of course, adapter plates and the exhaust will be different but im just going to bolt my 4.6 2v heads on it. So far, if i understand correctly, these are the things needed for the shortblock swap.... factory headers off of ________? (5.4 or 4.6) adapter plates for intake 2v timing cover New blower bracket or not for my procharger) timing belt, guides, etc for 5.4??? or 4.6 stuff good? if needed, what stuff as i will just get it from the dealership. More? __________________

May 14th, 2009, 09:14 PM	#211
casper gt Moderator 2010 mustang gt auto Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: creighton pa Posts: 7,477 iTrader: 3 reviews	^ you prety much got it covered. just need the actual short block & your in. __________________ MM BRACKET RACING CREW CO-FOUNDER BAMA Performance Drag Team Founder 2010 GT auto

May 15th, 2009, 03:27 AM	#212
quiksilver225 Hardcore Enthusiast 1999 Mustang GT Join Date: May 2008 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Posts: 1,278 iTrader: 0 reviews	terry told me today that there wont be a need to drop the k member. he said he had a 4V in his car and the brakes were not an issue for him. anyone else have any info on this? __________________ BBK CAI, March UDPs, Eibach Sportline Springs, MM C/C plates, Koni Yellows, Centerforce DF clutch, FRPP Billet Flywheel, B&M Pro-Ripper Shifter, BBK ceramic LTs, BBK catted X-Pipe, SLP LM1, EBC rotors, 4.10 FRPP gears 5.4 4V coming soon

May 15th, 2009, 10:56 PM	#213
casper gt Moderator 2010 mustang gt auto Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: creighton pa Posts: 7,477 iTrader: 3 reviews	don't have any direct info as I wouldn't even consider a 4v swap but I would trust Terry on his recomendation's 100%. with out a doubt he has the most 5.4 swap experiance in s.w. pa. __________________ MM BRACKET RACING CREW CO-FOUNDER BAMA Performance Drag Team Founder 2010 GT auto

May 15th, 2009, 11:03 PM	#214
quiksilver225 Hardcore Enthusiast 1999 Mustang GT Join Date: May 2008 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Posts: 1,278 iTrader: 0 reviews	just talked to another local guy, Cannon from Speed Nation, who has done a 5.4 2V swap. he said a few thing which seem a bit iffy. he said that a tubular k-member should give me more space and eliminate any need to lower the k member. he also said that my 4.10s wont work out at all. he said that the car they did had 4.10s and fell on its face at 90mph. however that car had the stock truck intake and cams. my car as it sits makes it to 140mph. why would a motor swap eccect that much at all??? __________________ BBK CAI, March UDPs, Eibach Sportline Springs, MM C/C plates, Koni Yellows, Centerforce DF clutch, FRPP Billet Flywheel, B&M Pro-Ripper Shifter, BBK ceramic LTs, BBK catted X-Pipe, SLP LM1, EBC rotors, 4.10 FRPP gears 5.4 4V coming soon

May 15th, 2009, 11:12 PM	#215
casper gt Moderator 2010 mustang gt auto Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: creighton pa Posts: 7,477 iTrader: 3 reviews	you said the key word at the begining "Speed Nation" how well would you expect a mustang to run coming out of a ricer shop? but IMO 4.10's with a stick & 5.4 swap is most likely a no-no. stock truck intake & cam's shows you pretty much what they know, I'm suprised it held together till then. __________________ MM BRACKET RACING CREW CO-FOUNDER BAMA Performance Drag Team Founder 2010 GT auto

May 15th, 2009, 11:18 PM	#216
quiksilver225 Hardcore Enthusiast 1999 Mustang GT Join Date: May 2008 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Posts: 1,278 iTrader: 0 reviews	ya, im not a huge fan of the place. cannons an inteligent guy, but he does some dumb shit. so i do i have to worry about topping out before i get to the finish? or is he full of shit? __________________ BBK CAI, March UDPs, Eibach Sportline Springs, MM C/C plates, Koni Yellows, Centerforce DF clutch, FRPP Billet Flywheel, B&M Pro-Ripper Shifter, BBK ceramic LTs, BBK catted X-Pipe, SLP LM1, EBC rotors, 4.10 FRPP gears 5.4 4V coming soon

May 15th, 2009, 11:20 PM	#217
quiksilver225 Hardcore Enthusiast 1999 Mustang GT Join Date: May 2008 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Posts: 1,278 iTrader: 0 reviews	y wouldnt u do the 4.10s? traction? __________________ BBK CAI, March UDPs, Eibach Sportline Springs, MM C/C plates, Koni Yellows, Centerforce DF clutch, FRPP Billet Flywheel, B&M Pro-Ripper Shifter, BBK ceramic LTs, BBK catted X-Pipe, SLP LM1, EBC rotors, 4.10 FRPP gears 5.4 4V coming soon

May 15th, 2009, 11:28 PM	#218
casper gt Moderator 2010 mustang gt auto Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: creighton pa Posts: 7,477 iTrader: 3 reviews	2v I'd say no 4.10's unless you go with 28" rear tire's. 4v I'd say try & find out how they like to rev, (not a gt-500 for example but a shop built 4v). I'd say make it easy on your self & set a reasonable/acheavable goal as to how fast you want to go & what your willing to give up to get there & work back ward's from there (ie. I wanna go 10.0's what do I need to get there?). __________________ MM BRACKET RACING CREW CO-FOUNDER BAMA Performance Drag Team Founder 2010 GT auto

May 16th, 2009, 12:03 AM	#220
quiksilver225 Hardcore Enthusiast 1999 Mustang GT Join Date: May 2008 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Posts: 1,278 iTrader: 0 reviews	Ok. But just to clarify that idiot was completely wrong in saying I'd top out at 90, right?... __________________ BBK CAI, March UDPs, Eibach Sportline Springs, MM C/C plates, Koni Yellows, Centerforce DF clutch, FRPP Billet Flywheel, B&M Pro-Ripper Shifter, BBK ceramic LTs, BBK catted X-Pipe, SLP LM1, EBC rotors, 4.10 FRPP gears 5.4 4V coming soon

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