[quiksilver225]

Originally Posted by Exodus I'm sorry I'm so dumb. uuuuuusa, uuuuusa, where did you say that you bought a 4.6l, I missed that post. At anyrate, I wasnt trying to imply sarcasm, I was simply annoyed with the attitude chief. And your very welcome for the math even though it was wrong. 50

what motor comes in that 99 GT sitting out in my driveway, super genious? i was being sarcastic, not you. "4.6's are too small, lol" <-----JOKE/SARCASM/KIDDING(although it is partially true. going up against the LS1 and all, but we'll save that for another thread)

Exodus<---MILITANT/OVERLY SERIOUS/JACKASS

unless ur gonna calm down or have useful input for me id appreciate it if you would piss off

[Exodus]

Just a thought, why not rebiuld the 4.6. If the rods havent seen the light of day, then you probably would be as well off with rebiulding the 4.6l and adding some power in the way of cams, pistons, strong rods. Your going to see the same kind of power vs a 5.4l swap. Sounds like you want to look stock, so biuld it with a little higher compression and make an n/a biuld

[Exodus]

See its that kind bullshit that gets you nowhere, calling me a jackass, and super genius. Dumbasses like you are all the same. I'll gladly piss off and be more than happy sitting back and watching you fuck up your car. I was kidding to begin with, but now I cant give you any kind of credit for being a edgamacated dipshit. Have fun with the biuld.

[SilverFreakGT]

Dude let me know how your swap goes, that sounds SICK, I would love to do a 5.4 2V swap to a T56=) Hello torque hehehehe

[quiksilver225]

the 4.6 wouldnt even compare. a 5.4 with the right intake and exhaust will hang with termis

[Exodus]

So would a 4.6l if its biult right. And it would compare just fine. Let me ask you this, what do you want to gain from this? A stock looking engine that can hang with a terminator? So 390 at the crank, doable with a 4.6l. The really cool thing about a 4.6l is the huge variaty of aftermarket parts available for it. The combinations are endless. I'm not saying your not going to gain from a 5.4l swap, but I just wonder why you dont just biuld the 4.6 and save yourself from spending the money twice. If you sell the 4.6, for what, 500 bucks, if your lucky, and then what buy an unknown 5.4l for 900, what have you gained intially. Slightly larger displacement and 400 bucks out of your pocket plus your time to swap it out. The hp rating hasnt grown any, and that 400 bucks is partial exhaust. I do know the benefits of having a 5.4, I have one in my truck which is getting a lightnig s/c sometime this summer, but I was to do it in my car I would be looking at a GT blower, big cams and so on, just so I can make the best of the cubic inch advantage.

[quiksilver225]

bone stock vs bone stock the 5.4 kills the 4.6 on torque and also make more HP. Not to mention the vastly increased potential. Also, please do not assume my intentions for the car. This is a car that i truly enjoy working on. I will never sell it and it will NEVER be fast enough. I will spend my last breathe working to improve this thing, because its a hobby. Even at that your argument for spending time swapping is completely negated by the fact that a total rebuild will take twice as long as a swap as simple as this. Its plain dumb to rebuild an inferior motor. I have always been one to go the extra mile to get the best parts, to make the best decision for the long term and based on what ive just said surely u can agree that this is a very long term car. i appreciate your input, i truly do. but, stop trying to talk me out of a better option. It will never happen. If you know anything else about the 5.4 swap i would be excited to hear about it.

[SilverStang03]

just out of curiosity, what kind of power can be made with an n/a 5.4??? i know the hp isnt too far off from a 4.6, but i hear the torque is mind bending..

[Exodus]

Well, the 5.4 makes more torque, but the 4.6l makes the same hp stock as the 5.4. I am not assuming your intentions of the car, I am just trying to make you see that the 4.6 is not inferior to a 5.4 in any way but the cubic inch factor. Every other aspect of the 5.4 can be matched in the 4.6 except for displacement and possibly torque. By the way, the 5.4 and the 4.6 share so many design aspects that calling the 4.6 an inferior motor is simply......silly. Almost as silly as me arguing with you about something as dumb as this. Its hard to believe that as smart as you think you are, you dont have the simple thought as to look up the hp numbers for these engines before calling them junk. I also find it hard to believe that if you really do go the extra mile and buy the best parts then why are you wanting to do a 5.4l swap? Why not just go the extra mile and buy a Super Snake motor from Shelby, then you have that huge potential and the best parts money can buy. (just incase you didnt know, thats a 4v 5.4l S/C rated at 725hp, just wanted to make it easier for you). The one thing I will agree with you though, your right I cant talk you out of a better option, so I am not going to try, I was simply trying to get you to understand that the 4.6 has way more potential than your giving it credit for. Theres a boat load of 4.6ls making upwards of 900 to 1000 hp and some of those are 2v motors none the less. I think all of the questions you needed answered are answered, just do the swap. Have fun with your car and when you are ready to sell that 4.6, give me a holler, I'll be more than happy to make the most of your inferior throw away motor.

[SilverStang03]

you must need injectors too no? like 30#?? and did they ever come out with the longtubes for it? or do they make a kit for the exhaust to make it easier?

[Exodus]

As for hp # for 5.4 n/a, I have read a couple forums where they made around 450 on the ground. So I would say maybe 50hp over what you could do with a 2v 4.6 realistically. I think in the not to distant future you will see a couple 450 rwhp n/z 4.6l running around. The Trick Flow heads are incredible and offer huge hp gains, and it wont be very long and someone will improve not so much them, but the bottle neck in the intake and throttle body. I am sure there is some people out there that are probably making more than 450 with a 5.4l, but it starts to get hard because theres a limited number of people who are biulding them vs the 4.6l. Thats why I chose to biuld a 4.6 instead of the 5.4, most of the people who biuld 5.4l are biuld 4v motors. The aspect of doing a 5.4 swap was very appealing to start with, but after researching the end aspect of the engine, I wasn't as happy with the outcome financially and asthetically as I am with the 4.6.

[Exodus]

Where do you plan to buy the 5.4l.

[SilverStang03]

i agree, but would be pretty bad ass handing an ls1 his ass with a n/a mustang! lol. as for the power i think 450 would be friggin sweet. id love to see it done.

[SilverStang03]

if i were gonna buy a 5.4 i would probably go to karkraft.com. i would like to do this because my milage is starting to go up. a new block would be nice....

[mustang_gtr_99]

The strut towers in the new edge are not built to handle the weight of the front end under load with the existing engine, I dont see how the 5.4 will help in that respect. If your plan is for the strip than go for it. If you want to hit the twisties you may want to reconsider the 4.6 rebuild with FI. just my .02

[Exodus]

Some of these companies, Kar Kraft is one of them I believe sells the whole motor from oil pan to intake, so you may or may not need injectors, depending on the company who sells you the engine what exactly they are selling. As for size, if your really shooting for that 450, then 42lb injectors are probably required as well as upgraded fuel system. Look at a few other companies, MMR, Chirs Hyland (very high priced, but very talented engine biulder), Livernois, and a few others. MMR would be my first choice so take a browse through there website. They have 5.4l shortblocks on sale.

[SilverStang03]

what would a motor from an expedition or f-150 handle hp wise? i know the 4.6 is like 450rwhp

[Exodus]

The same, the rods are the weak point. They are good safely to 400(rear wheel) hp, probably even 450rwhp if your kind with your foot. All the 5.4l are going to be the same, unless you end up with a lightning engine. The pistons are the next thing to go and they loose it about 550 (I think), with the crank the last of the rotating assembly to take a crap and it goes at 600.

[quiksilver225]

im getting the motor from a salvage yard. i wont waste my breathe explaining anything else anymore.

[SilverStang03]

if i only knew how to install one of these and make it run......lol eff labor charges