[mrsinister2424]

Just took the front ISOs out on my H&R Super sports, gave me another 1/2" drop or so.
I liked the stance before, but it doesn't get much better than this now. Very streetable too!

As for the tech piece of it:
I took it to get aligned today, and the best they could do was get it to -1.5 degrees camber. Will I be ok with -1.5 degree camber for a DD? Should I really invest in some CC plates? I don't mind if I don't get quite the mileage I should out of the tires, unless it cuts the life down in half or something.

Any recommendations?


Here's the pics and vids though










Here's some mild clips of exhaust in sig: (been procrastinating)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFxMB3lfee8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFxMB3lfee8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APIFYjD5J48&feature=channel

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APIFYjD5J48&feature=channel

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9t0FgYNziw&feature=channel

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9t0FgYNziw&feature=channel

Excuse the watermark, didn't feel like getting a legit program.


Anyone have any advice on the negative camber situation? Is -1.5 too much for a DD?

Let me know what you think!

[4.10GT]

sick ride looks good lowered like that why do you have 3 exhaust clips? ha

[mrsinister2424]

Lol, thanks a lot!

Didn't feel like editing them all into one. Plus movie maker was acting stupid. I really don't want to order CC plates :s

[ajm]

I have sportlines with no cc plates and when I aligned mine I was able to get it to -1.2 deg. it drives fine and tires seem to wear good enough for me. Of course since most people around here think they always have to be technically correct someone will say its not right though. I like the license plate frame.

[06invertmini]

you will be fine. mine are at -1.8 and ive made a trip back from south carolina like that and been driving on it this way for around 5 months or so now. All my tires are fine also. (Also i autox the same amount of time also). I was at -2.8 before my alignment.

I also daily drive mine also.

[BoCFes]

Originally Posted by ajm I have sportlines with no cc plates and when I aligned mine I was able to get it to -1.2 deg. it drives fine and tires seem to wear good enough for me. Of course since most people around here always have to be technically correct someone will say its not right though. I like the license plate frame.

I like that license plate frame too, nice touch. Car looks dope.

[mrsinister2424]

I have sportlines with no cc plates and when I aligned mine I was able to get it to -1.2 deg. it drives fine and tires seem to wear good enough for me. Of course since most people around here always have to be technically correct someone will say its not right though. I like the license plate frame.

Good to hear. And thanks, Lol. I got tired of people telling me how loud my car is, like I don't effing know already. Now my license plate lets people I know its loud, and that its loud for a reason......... to save lives I wholeheartedly believe it though. At a 4-way stop, I start bringing the rpm up when its my turn to go, and everyone at teh intersection stops because they hear the car getting ready to pull away.

you will be fine. mine are at -1.8 and ive made a trip back from south carolina like that and been driving on it this way for around 5 months or so now. All my tires are fine also. (Also i autox the same amount of time also). I was at -2.8 before my alignment.

Great news. Yeah mine were at 2ish before. And they were able to get it down to 1.5. I really dig how it looks kinda tucked on the front, because 17x9's on the front naturally stick out from the fender a little bit at 0.0 camber

[06invertmini]

Originally Posted by mrsinister2424 Good to hear. And thanks, Lol. I got tired of people telling me how loud my car is, like I don't effing know already. Now my license plate lets people I know its loud, and that its loud for a reason......... to save lives I wholeheartedly believe it though. At a 4-way stop, I start bringing the rpm up when its my turn to go, and everyone at teh intersection stops because they hear the car getting ready to pull away. Great news. Yeah mine were at 2ish before. And they were able to get it down to 1.5. I really dig how it looks kinda tucked on the front, because 17x9's on the front naturally stick out from the fender a little bit at 0.0 camber

Yea i should have notched mine some before getting mine aligned i would have gotten a little less negative but oh well.

I believe stock should be like -1 deg, so its not to far off. I mean since i was running -2.8 degrees for around two months and my tires hardly wore on the inside, its been great for me since then.

The little bit more neg camber also does feel better in the turns also.

[DickH]

Looks good, where is the rest of the blackout on the back?

[2kGT]

The GTR sticker needs to go, thats hella lame. Other than that, nice.

[goren813]

^ I agree ricer boy.























j/k your car looks great, and I guess I'm that one guy who says get CC plates cuz I have them and you should be like me. If you're happy with ride quality, turning, and tire wear then it's a why? question. To be more of a perfectionist like I guess I am I'd get CC plates...

[mrsinister2424]

I like that license plate frame too, nice touch. Car looks dope.

Thanks :

Looks good, where is the rest of the blackout on the back?

Thanks. What do you mean the rest of the blackout?

The GTR sticker needs to go, thats hella lame. Other than that, nice.

Thanks.The GTR sticker is going no where. Don't be a twat and assume it has a damn thing to do with a skyline. Its a local shop, that does great work. They've been in tons of magazines for installations. Really popular here in SoCal. Most modified Mustangs out here have the shops logo somewhere.
GTR High Performance Mustangs

Quite obviously NOT a skyline emblem:

j/k your car looks great, and I guess I'm that one guy who says get CC plates cuz I have them and you should be like me. If you're happy with ride quality, turning, and tire wear then it's a why? question. To be more of a perfectionist like I guess I am I'd get CC plates...

Thanks, : Yeah, the ride is great compared to stock springs. I might look into some CC plates only if my tires wear really bad. I could spend the money from CC plates on something like SFC

[mrsinister2424]

I believe stock should be like -1 deg, so its not to far off. I mean since i was running -2.8 degrees for around two months and my tires hardly wore on the inside, its been great for me since then.

Really? Stock is -1? I can't imagine 2.8... you have any pics? 2.0 was pretty tucked in looking.

[Ke^in]

Nice looking ride.

[t70]

youre right that stance is perfect now, it dosent seem too harsh with out the iso s?

[ModMustang97GT]

In all honesty. 1.5 degrees is considered pretty aggrisive. race cars rarely dial in much more than 2 degrees.

The reason for it is not as obvious as it appears. Its not about how much your tires wear when you are driving straight. when you are driving straight, they are never theoretically losing any tread. Its when you are turning that you are technically sliding a portion of the wheel. And, when you are turning hard, the suspension flexes, pushing the body down further.

With the single A arm design that our cars use, this means that the acual angle increases by a fairly large amount. So on a hard corner, instead of the tire being on 1.5 degrees ( an Ideal angle when in the actual corner) it may be closer to 5-10 degrees, which depending on the angle of your car, that is likely not flat on the ground at all.


the bottom of your tire and the car will end uip looking like a "v". The car leaning y=twords to outside of the car will push it down, and with a weak sway bar and spring, the tire will push up to the car far enough that it will go past flat on the ground, into a non favorable angle with the ground.


ALL OF THAT BEING SAID.

This doesn't mean you need to go buy CC plates immeditely. It all depends on how you drive. If you don't take corners really fast, all the time, the tire will wear decently well, and you will have better control at low speeds. However, if you do push the limits on a regular basis, like those running Auto Crosses and such, without a proper set of springs and sway bars that are stiff enough to accomodate the forces at hand, you will most likely start to see an unever wear pattern on your tires.

I can't quantify for you exactly which you are and exactly the amount of spring and sway bar you need without doing a lot of math, so to make it much simpler on all of us I wil say this...

After a few thousand miles of driving, look at your tires, and decide whether you need less camber or not.

[01BlackGT]

Looks awesome!!!!!! GREAT STANCE!

[mrsinister2424]

Nice looking ride.

Thanks

youre right that stance is perfect now, it dosent seem too harsh with out the iso s?

Thanks! Actually no, it feels great. I put duct tape around the 1/2 of the bottom coil because people say they will squeak without grease or something inbetween there. No squeaks. The ride is actually the same as it was with the ISOs in, it may even be better. or it might have been that alignment. Any car with 17x9 and 17x10.5: H&R SS springs with front ISOs removed is PERFECT stance, with almost no scraping on the streets.

In all honesty. 1.5 degrees is considered pretty aggrisive. race cars rarely dial in much more than 2 degrees. The reason for it is not as obvious as it appears. Its not about how much your tires wear when you are driving straight. when you are driving straight, they are never theoretically losing any tread. Its when you are turning that you are technically sliding a portion of the wheel. And, when you are turning hard, the suspension flexes, pushing the body down further. With the single A arm design that our cars use, this means that the acual angle increases by a fairly large amount. So on a hard corner, instead of the tire being on 1.5 degrees ( an Ideal angle when in the actual corner) it may be closer to 5-10 degrees, which depending on the angle of your car, that is likely not flat on the ground at all. the bottom of your tire and the car will end uip looking like a "v". The car leaning y=twords to outside of the car will push it down, and with a weak sway bar and spring, the tire will push up to the car far enough that it will go past flat on the ground, into a non favorable angle with the ground. ALL OF THAT BEING SAID. This doesn't mean you need to go buy CC plates immeditely. It all depends on how you drive. If you don't take corners really fast, all the time, the tire will wear decently well, and you will have better control at low speeds. However, if you do push the limits on a regular basis, like those running Auto Crosses and such, without a proper set of springs and sway bars that are stiff enough to accomodate the forces at hand, you will most likely start to see an unever wear pattern on your tires. I can't quantify for you exactly which you are and exactly the amount of spring and sway bar you need without doing a lot of math, so to make it much simpler on all of us I wil say this... After a few thousand miles of driving, look at your tires, and decide whether you need less camber or not.

Every bit of that makes sense. Thanks a ton for the info. I do take a run through the twisties in the canyon near me once in a while(read: few times a month). But no auto-x, most of the time I'm going fast in a straight line

Thanks, a lot for the info. I'm going to adhere to those suggestions

Looks awesome!!!!!! GREAT STANCE!

Thank you sir

[06invertmini]

Originally Posted by ModMustang97GT In all honesty. 1.5 degrees is considered pretty aggrisive. race cars rarely dial in much more than 2 degrees. The reason for it is not as obvious as it appears. Its not about how much your tires wear when you are driving straight. when you are driving straight, they are never theoretically losing any tread. Its when you are turning that you are technically sliding a portion of the wheel. And, when you are turning hard, the suspension flexes, pushing the body down further. With the single A arm design that our cars use, this means that the acual angle increases by a fairly large amount. So on a hard corner, instead of the tire being on 1.5 degrees ( an Ideal angle when in the actual corner) it may be closer to 5-10 degrees, which depending on the angle of your car, that is likely not flat on the ground at all. the bottom of your tire and the car will end uip looking like a "v". The car leaning y=twords to outside of the car will push it down, and with a weak sway bar and spring, the tire will push up to the car far enough that it will go past flat on the ground, into a non favorable angle with the ground. ALL OF THAT BEING SAID. This doesn't mean you need to go buy CC plates immeditely. It all depends on how you drive. If you don't take corners really fast, all the time, the tire will wear decently well, and you will have better control at low speeds. However, if you do push the limits on a regular basis, like those running Auto Crosses and such, without a proper set of springs and sway bars that are stiff enough to accomodate the forces at hand, you will most likely start to see an unever wear pattern on your tires. I can't quantify for you exactly which you are and exactly the amount of spring and sway bar you need without doing a lot of math, so to make it much simpler on all of us I wil say this... After a few thousand miles of driving, look at your tires, and decide whether you need less camber or not.

Exactly, I use my car for autox all the time and have only been to the dragstrip once with it. So it is exactly what i want.

[06invertmini]

Originally Posted by mrsinister2424 Really? Stock is -1? I can't imagine 2.8... you have any pics? 2.0 was pretty tucked in looking.

Here ya go, i doesnt really look like alot. All the rest of the pics i have of the car are not taken to where you can see the camber. Plus this is a older pic. I drove around with the camber at 2.8 to 2.5 for around 2 months. Wanted to make sure the springs were good and settled in first.