P-51 TFS or Hardballr?

AggieStang · June 20th, 2009, 05:05 PM

Before I install a fogger kit i'm going to upgrade to an aluminum manifold to potentially withstand a nitrous backfire. I'm not worried about hp #s as much as strength. I've done a ton of searching on the P-51, Trick Flow and Hardballr intakes but haven't gotten many definative results. Which one would be best for my application?

93hatch · June 20th, 2009, 05:08 PM

or have your nitrous kit set up right and not get a nitrous backfire

AggieStang · June 20th, 2009, 05:13 PM

Originally Posted by 93hatch

or have your nitrous kit set up right and not get a nitrous backfire

In a perfect world....
Just trying to cover my ass. Got a window switch, but after experiencing one backfire, if it happens again I want it to damage the least possible.

2002 BLK GT · June 20th, 2009, 06:00 PM

The hardballr most of the time is on backorder, trick flow you will loose torque but gain hp from what I've read. So I will go with the p-51 or hardballr,

AggieStang · June 20th, 2009, 06:32 PM

The problem i've had so far is that there isn't much hard information on anything but the Typhoon intake.

AggieStang · June 20th, 2009, 06:49 PM

Does this look good? Fox Lake P-51 Intake Manifold Mustang 2V 4.6 :eBay Motors (item 270411410466 end time Jun-25-09 22:00:31 PDT)

AggieStang · June 20th, 2009, 11:11 PM

No input at all?

mystang0673 · June 21st, 2009, 12:15 AM

as long as you have your window switch set up right and your rev limiter set right you wont have a problem with a backfire... you need a good 400rpm difference in your limiter and the top of your window...

casper gt · June 21st, 2009, 12:59 AM

gonna loose a ton of torque with the p-51 (did I say a ton? I mean a TON) but a very nice intake other wise. if you rig up your nitrous trigger to your clutch switch (so your spraying as soon as you release it) & steepen up your gears, it may work well for you.

AggieStang · June 21st, 2009, 01:33 AM

Well shit. That's not what I wanted to hear. Thanks for the info though.

coffinator6 · June 21st, 2009, 02:19 AM

Originally Posted by MellowYellow

Before I install a fogger kit i'm going to upgrade to an aluminum manifold to potentially withstand a nitrous backfire. I'm not worried about hp #s as much as strength. I've done a ton of searching on the P-51, Trick Flow and Hardballr intakes but haven't gotten many definative results. Which one would be best for my application?

have you looked into hogan intakes. the can make you a direct nitrous set up while building your intake.

whats your budget? hagan intakes are not cheap. but the look is awsome.

Hogan's Racing Manifolds » Products

SWEET2KSTANG · June 21st, 2009, 07:06 AM

200 rpm from limiter is enough. i run 200 under mine with no issues at all, that is enough room to keep nitrous from spraying again. you are going to see torque loss with almost any aftermarket intake. if set up and spraying right, you shouldnt have to worry about a backfire.

jrfan4life · June 21st, 2009, 09:20 AM

Bbk is coming out with there new intake... Wonder how that would work out for u?

y2k02 · June 21st, 2009, 10:43 AM

Do you plan to add some type of FI in the near future?
I've had the typhoon, hardball'r and now the Edelbrock.

mystang0673 · June 21st, 2009, 12:14 PM

I agree with Sweet2k. I just said 400 to be on the safe side lol. I have had one pop when my top window was 6k and I had stock limiter on there.

AggieStang · June 21st, 2009, 01:55 PM

Originally Posted by jrfan4life

Bbk is coming out with there new intake... Wonder how that would work out for u?

It's been a month from coming out for about 4 years... I've given up hope on it.

Originally Posted by y2k02

Do you plan to add some type of FI in the near future?
I've had the typhoon, hardball'r and now the Edelbrock.

No i'm going to stick with the nitrous. Which one did you like the best?

AggieStang · June 21st, 2009, 02:44 PM

I just read about the P51 in mustang5.0 and they loved it. It retailed at $1200 then. If I could get that ebay one for $500 would it be worth the swap?

SWEET2KSTANG · June 21st, 2009, 04:46 PM

there have been a bunch of mixed reviews on the p51 from people who have had them. the guys at foxlake "claim" to loose no low end, but they are about retarded as well.

AggieStang · June 21st, 2009, 05:16 PM

K I think I'm going to call a few places tomorrow.

y2k02 · June 21st, 2009, 07:59 PM

The aluminum intakes will break with a backfire also and they get a lot hotter than the plastic intake. I say keep what you untill you have an issue.
The hardball'r was great, the typhoon is junk and the Edelbrock I like the best.

June 20th, 2009, 05:05 PM	#1
AggieStang WHOOP! 2002 Mustang GT 7.44@95 (1/8) Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: TEXAS Posts: 3,115 iTrader: 3 reviews	P-51 TFS or Hardballr? Before I install a fogger kit i'm going to upgrade to an aluminum manifold to potentially withstand a nitrous backfire. I'm not worried about hp #s as much as strength. I've done a ton of searching on the P-51, Trick Flow and Hardballr intakes but haven't gotten many definative results. Which one would be best for my application? __________________ Buy my: Nitrous Accessories Diablosport Programmer In The Classifieds

June 20th, 2009, 05:08 PM	#2
93hatch Banned 1992 Lx 11.39@119.24 Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Az Posts: 11,644 iTrader: 0 reviews	or have your nitrous kit set up right and not get a nitrous backfire __________________ [QUOTE=93mustank;2577445]We speed tested my right arm for quickness in shifts... So he could design the cam for proper shift recovery.[/QUOTE]

June 20th, 2009, 06:00 PM	#4
2002 BLK GT Hardcore Enthusiast 03 Mach 1 & 02 GT *************** Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: S. California Posts: 2,178 iTrader: 0 reviews	The hardballr most of the time is on backorder, trick flow you will loose torque but gain hp from what I've read. So I will go with the p-51 or hardballr, __________________ 2003 Mach 1 Procharged 500rwhp club Last edited by 2002 BLK GT; June 20th, 2009 at 06:18 PM.

June 20th, 2009, 06:32 PM	#5
AggieStang WHOOP! 2002 Mustang GT 7.44@95 (1/8) Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: TEXAS Posts: 3,115 iTrader: 3 reviews	The problem i've had so far is that there isn't much hard information on anything but the Typhoon intake. __________________ Buy my: Nitrous Accessories Diablosport Programmer In The Classifieds

June 20th, 2009, 06:49 PM	#6
AggieStang WHOOP! 2002 Mustang GT 7.44@95 (1/8) Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: TEXAS Posts: 3,115 iTrader: 3 reviews	Does this look good? Fox Lake P-51 Intake Manifold Mustang 2V 4.6 :eBay Motors (item 270411410466 end time Jun-25-09 22:00:31 PDT) __________________ Buy my: Nitrous Accessories Diablosport Programmer In The Classifieds

June 20th, 2009, 11:11 PM	#7
AggieStang WHOOP! 2002 Mustang GT 7.44@95 (1/8) Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: TEXAS Posts: 3,115 iTrader: 3 reviews	No input at all? __________________ Buy my: Nitrous Accessories Diablosport Programmer In The Classifieds

June 21st, 2009, 12:15 AM	#8
mystang0673 MM Fanatic 6.82@100mph 1.45 60' Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 3,260 iTrader: 0 reviews	as long as you have your window switch set up right and your rev limiter set right you wont have a problem with a backfire... you need a good 400rpm difference in your limiter and the top of your window... __________________

June 21st, 2009, 12:59 AM	#9
casper gt Moderator 2012 300a gt auto 12.10@116 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: creighton pa Posts: 7,697 iTrader: 4 reviews	gonna loose a ton of torque with the p-51 (did I say a ton? I mean a TON) but a very nice intake other wise. if you rig up your nitrous trigger to your clutch switch (so your spraying as soon as you release it) & steepen up your gears, it may work well for you. __________________ MM BRACKET RACING CREW CO-FOUNDER BAMA Performance Drag Team Founder 2012 300a GT auto

June 21st, 2009, 01:33 AM	#10
AggieStang WHOOP! 2002 Mustang GT 7.44@95 (1/8) Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: TEXAS Posts: 3,115 iTrader: 3 reviews	Well shit. That's not what I wanted to hear. Thanks for the info though. __________________ Buy my: Nitrous Accessories Diablosport Programmer In The Classifieds

June 21st, 2009, 07:06 AM	#12
SWEET2KSTANG mm's nitrous mod 2000 mustang gt 11.79@115.83 (old set up) Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: N.W. AR Posts: 12,540 iTrader: 8 reviews	200 rpm from limiter is enough. i run 200 under mine with no issues at all, that is enough room to keep nitrous from spraying again. you are going to see torque loss with almost any aftermarket intake. if set up and spraying right, you shouldnt have to worry about a backfire. __________________ project warhorse under construction wagon burner under construction as well (04 lightning) being built by MP2 Performance

June 21st, 2009, 09:20 AM	#13
jrfan4life Hardcore Enthusiast 2001 Mustang GT NA Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 1,065 iTrader: 0 reviews	Bbk is coming out with there new intake... Wonder how that would work out for u? __________________ http://www.myspace.com/the_final_lap

June 21st, 2009, 10:43 AM	#14
y2k02 Hardcore Enthusiast 02 Mustang GT 9.91@133 Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Ohio Posts: 1,306 iTrader: 1 reviews	Do you plan to add some type of FI in the near future? I've had the typhoon, hardball'r and now the Edelbrock. __________________ 2002 GT PI heads Twin 60mm turbos Th400 6.34@114 1/8 9.99@137 1/4 http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t...t/DSCF5654.jpg http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t...2gt/IMG060.jpg

June 21st, 2009, 12:14 PM	#15
mystang0673 MM Fanatic 6.82@100mph 1.45 60' Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 3,260 iTrader: 0 reviews	I agree with Sweet2k. I just said 400 to be on the safe side lol. I have had one pop when my top window was 6k and I had stock limiter on there. __________________

June 21st, 2009, 02:44 PM	#17
AggieStang WHOOP! 2002 Mustang GT 7.44@95 (1/8) Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: TEXAS Posts: 3,115 iTrader: 3 reviews	I just read about the P51 in mustang5.0 and they loved it. It retailed at $1200 then. If I could get that ebay one for $500 would it be worth the swap? __________________ Buy my: Nitrous Accessories Diablosport Programmer In The Classifieds

June 21st, 2009, 04:46 PM	#18
SWEET2KSTANG mm's nitrous mod 2000 mustang gt 11.79@115.83 (old set up) Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: N.W. AR Posts: 12,540 iTrader: 8 reviews	there have been a bunch of mixed reviews on the p51 from people who have had them. the guys at foxlake "claim" to loose no low end, but they are about retarded as well. __________________ project warhorse under construction wagon burner under construction as well (04 lightning) being built by MP2 Performance

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June 21st, 2009, 05:16 PM	#19
AggieStang WHOOP! 2002 Mustang GT 7.44@95 (1/8) Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: TEXAS Posts: 3,115 iTrader: 3 reviews	K I think I'm going to call a few places tomorrow. __________________ Buy my: Nitrous Accessories Diablosport Programmer In The Classifieds

June 21st, 2009, 07:59 PM	#20
y2k02 Hardcore Enthusiast 02 Mustang GT 9.91@133 Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Ohio Posts: 1,306 iTrader: 1 reviews	The aluminum intakes will break with a backfire also and they get a lot hotter than the plastic intake. I say keep what you untill you have an issue. The hardball'r was great, the typhoon is junk and the Edelbrock I like the best. __________________ 2002 GT PI heads Twin 60mm turbos Th400 6.34@114 1/8 9.99@137 1/4 http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t...t/DSCF5654.jpg http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t...2gt/IMG060.jpg

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