For you supercharged guys, need info

fallingaway2 · September 15th, 2009, 12:46 AM

ok so i got my vortech installed today and when i picked it up, the shop told me that my check engine light was on because they needed to install an air inlet temp sensor. Well i bought frpp 42lb injectors and the 90mm lightning maf, apperently my stock maf had this sensor in it and the 90mm does not....?? ok i get it but ive seen many setups like mine and i havent noticed the sensor drilled and tapped into the discharge tube? so what are you guys using? obviously i want my car right and i now how the sensor works but i overlooked this issue and the shop says they are going to order the sensor tomorrow and tap it into the discharge tube.?. is this right? also the boost doesnt seem to come on hard and is weak when shifting??? i dont think the belt is slipping but something seems off? quik info i have 02' gt 4.6L, 75mm TB, 75mm plenum , 42lb injectors, 90mm maf, sct tune... way conservative pulling alot of timing for safety" non- intercooled" vortech v2 s-trim, exhaust ect ect. anyways im fed up with little quirks that hold me back. seems like it builds boost off and on, sometimes its frying tires and others it almost barley building boost? im baffled? although i havent ripped it due to no air inlet temp sensor and check engine light on.?. any suggestions will be appreciated...

Renegaderacer · September 15th, 2009, 12:51 AM

Originally Posted by fallingaway2

ok so i got my vortech installed today and when i picked it up, the shop told me that my check engine light was on because they needed to install an air inlet temp sensor. Well i bought frpp 42lb injectors and the 90mm lightning maf, apperently my stock maf had this sensor in it and the 90mm does not....?? ok i get it but ive seen many setups like mine and i havent noticed the sensor drilled and tapped into the discharge tube? so what are you guys using? obviously i want my car right and i now how the sensor works but i overlooked this issue and the shop says they are going to order the sensor tomorrow and tap it into the discharge tube.?. is this right? also the boost doesnt seem to come on hard and is weak when shifting??? i dont think the belt is slipping but something seems off? quik info i have 02' gt 4.6L, 75mm TB, 75mm plenum , 42lb injectors, 90mm maf, sct tune... way conservative pulling alot of timing for safety" non- intercooled" vortech v2 s-trim, exhaust ect ect. anyways im fed up with little quirks that hold me back. seems like it builds boost off and on, sometimes its frying tires and others it almost barley building boost? im baffled? although i havent ripped it due to no air inlet temp sensor and check engine light on.?. any suggestions will be appreciated...

everything on mine was ready to go from modular theres some what of an engine shot in my garage check it out, the car should feel likea new beast the tune is pulling way to much timing and weak afr probably take it some where and get a real tune.

blkragtop · September 15th, 2009, 07:02 AM

1. You say you haven't ripped on it. That's when you make boost! At WOT and mid to high RPMs. Otherwise there's too much engine vacuum to close the bypass valve and allow boost to build. Make sure you have a boost gauge to monitor what's going on. 2. Your tune may be holding you back. Shame you went non-intercooled-you could use a lot more timing advance with the intercooler which really helps make power.

turbot4 · September 15th, 2009, 08:09 AM

just go buy a a ford temp sensor or a boneyad and get it for cheap..you will need to tap the tb pipe and you need the rubber grommet....
look at your mass harness, and each wire on the outside is for the temp sensor....
the right and left wires are temp...anything between is not....
all taurus,focus,mustang,ect appear to have the same temp sensor, don't quote, but they all look the same to me...just be sure to get the grommit that holds it in the iontake pipe...
mount it as close the the tb as you can..upper l;eft on the elbow going to tb

it's hard to see, but it's on the elbow..

BakerFX4 · September 15th, 2009, 09:49 AM

yeah bro... your not going to feel much of anything unless you hold it WOT and let it get some boost. The car is going to run around in vaccum constantly until WOT. Need to rev out some rpms and you'll feel it. Do you have an A/F guage?

03_StangGuy · September 15th, 2009, 10:01 AM

Def need a temp sensor. You either need to get one, clip the wire for temp from your maf and wire it up OR get a MAF with the temp sensor in it.

bottlefedbullitt01 · September 15th, 2009, 12:30 PM

Let Her Rip!!!!!!!:d

Renegaderacer · September 15th, 2009, 12:36 PM

get a cooler it will be more aggressive!

limited · September 15th, 2009, 12:44 PM

Should have got a KB

In all seriousness, iat sensor is one of the most important sensors on a blown car. timing is based off this. get one on car asap and I would stay out of boost(at least don't "rip on it") they probably used a low setting to prevent detonation but I would feel uneasy without it

Renegaderacer · September 15th, 2009, 12:53 PM

Originally Posted by limited

Should have got a KB

different strokes for different folks.

turbot4 · September 15th, 2009, 06:33 PM

if you need pics of the wires or where to tap i can take some just for you

fallingaway2 · September 15th, 2009, 06:54 PM

turbot4 if you could that would be sweet. and yeah like i said its a real conservative tune. so hopefully i can get this shit done by the weekend. sucks having it on and not letting it eat

turbot4 · September 15th, 2009, 07:34 PM

here, freshly taken......reps please

BakerFX4 · September 15th, 2009, 07:37 PM

hey, my car has never had that hooked up i believe. Is that bad? LOL. Its just laying in the engine bay i believe?

mustanginky · September 15th, 2009, 07:42 PM

Originally Posted by BakerFX4

hey, my car has never had that hooked up i believe. Is that bad? LOL. Its just laying in the engine bay i believe?

ours weren't integrated into the MAF like the newer models were. So there is a seperate wire for ours. I have mine in between my MAF and the TB b/c where procharger has a provision is on the inlet tube, and that's stupid because the air has yet to be compressed and intercooled yet.

turbot4 · September 15th, 2009, 07:43 PM

your mass has a temp sensor in it....but with fi it should be as close to tb as possiable, cmon baker you should know this...

BakerFX4 · September 15th, 2009, 07:46 PM

i know what it is and what it does but just dont have it hooked up. Apparently its fine. There was no hole. There was one in my stock procharger inlet. So with it there i thought, "that air is going to be the same temp as outside because it is not getting compressed so why does it matter.

bandity2k00 · September 15th, 2009, 07:49 PM

Yep, exact problem with my car man, Im ordering my IAT sensor now. Where can I order it online for a good price??

turbot4 · September 15th, 2009, 08:06 PM

Originally Posted by BakerFX4

i know what it is and what it does but just dont have it hooked up. Apparently its fine. There was no hole. There was one in my stock procharger inlet. So with it there i thought, "that air is going to be the same temp as outside because it is not getting compressed so why does it matter.

*EDIT* I DIDN'T READ SLOW ENOUGH!!! YOUR FINE....JUST IN MY CASE IT WAS FOR THE BEST!!
DAMN CAPS!!

BakerFX4 · September 15th, 2009, 08:25 PM

caps = getting loud turbo?

September 15th, 2009, 12:46 AM	#1
fallingaway2 Regular 04' Cobra fast Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Virginia Posts: 63 iTrader: 0 reviews	For you supercharged guys, need info ok so i got my vortech installed today and when i picked it up, the shop told me that my check engine light was on because they needed to install an air inlet temp sensor. Well i bought frpp 42lb injectors and the 90mm lightning maf, apperently my stock maf had this sensor in it and the 90mm does not....?? ok i get it but ive seen many setups like mine and i havent noticed the sensor drilled and tapped into the discharge tube? so what are you guys using? obviously i want my car right and i now how the sensor works but i overlooked this issue and the shop says they are going to order the sensor tomorrow and tap it into the discharge tube.?. is this right? also the boost doesnt seem to come on hard and is weak when shifting??? i dont think the belt is slipping but something seems off? quik info i have 02' gt 4.6L, 75mm TB, 75mm plenum , 42lb injectors, 90mm maf, sct tune... way conservative pulling alot of timing for safety" non- intercooled" vortech v2 s-trim, exhaust ect ect. anyways im fed up with little quirks that hold me back. seems like it builds boost off and on, sometimes its frying tires and others it almost barley building boost? im baffled? although i havent ripped it due to no air inlet temp sensor and check engine light on.?. any suggestions will be appreciated...

September 15th, 2009, 07:02 AM	#3
blkragtop Regular 2000 Mustang GT Conv. Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Richmond, VA Posts: 112 iTrader: 0 reviews	1. You say you haven't ripped on it. That's when you make boost! At WOT and mid to high RPMs. Otherwise there's too much engine vacuum to close the bypass valve and allow boost to build. Make sure you have a boost gauge to monitor what's going on. 2. Your tune may be holding you back. Shame you went non-intercooled-you could use a lot more timing advance with the intercooler which really helps make power. __________________ Built shortblock, P1SC- intercooled, MAC catback, lowered, black chrome Saleens, Nitto DRs

September 15th, 2009, 08:09 AM	#4
turbot4 Hardcore Enthusiast R.I.P. twin screwed!! Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: lebanon pa Posts: 2,377 iTrader: 9 reviews	just go buy a a ford temp sensor or a boneyad and get it for cheap..you will need to tap the tb pipe and you need the rubber grommet.... look at your mass harness, and each wire on the outside is for the temp sensor.... the right and left wires are temp...anything between is not.... all taurus,focus,mustang,ect appear to have the same temp sensor, don't quote, but they all look the same to me...just be sure to get the grommit that holds it in the iontake pipe... mount it as close the the tb as you can..upper l;eft on the elbow going to tb it's hard to see, but it's on the elbow.. __________________

September 15th, 2009, 09:49 AM	#5
BakerFX4 I Post Entirely Way Too Much Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Louisiana Posts: 16,251 iTrader: 14 reviews	yeah bro... your not going to feel much of anything unless you hold it WOT and let it get some boost. The car is going to run around in vaccum constantly until WOT. Need to rev out some rpms and you'll feel it. Do you have an A/F guage? __________________ 4.75 MMR 900se Livernois ported heads HP 292s blower cams Procharger D1sc at 20+ psi IW 15% OD pulley (and more bolt ons) E85 Tune/numbers coming shortly!!

September 15th, 2009, 10:01 AM	#6
03_StangGuy I Poop Entirely Way Too Much Blown 03 GT Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Long Island NY Posts: 6,917 iTrader: 0 reviews	Def need a temp sensor. You either need to get one, clip the wire for temp from your maf and wire it up OR get a MAF with the temp sensor in it. __________________

September 15th, 2009, 12:30 PM	#7
bottlefedbullitt01 Enthusiast 2001 bullitt #835 not fast enough Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: south ga Posts: 565 iTrader: 4 reviews	Let Her Rip!!!!!!!:d __________________ Bullitt #835 4:10s, bassani O/R X, bassani mufflers, Bassani mid-headers, forged/built 2v, trickflow 44 heads, BIG blower cam, v1 vortech intercooled 11# boost 532rwhp/468tq

September 15th, 2009, 12:36 PM	#8
Renegaderacer Regular 2003 mustang gt 12.18 @113.22 mph Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Bristol va. Posts: 374 iTrader: 0 reviews	get a cooler it will be more aggressive! __________________ vortech sq, 3.73 gears, steeda rear lower control arms, j&m upper rear control arms, h&r race springs, mgw short throw, pype o/r x pipe, magnapacks cat back, vortech after cooler, 3.33 pulley vortech mini race bypass valve 410 rwhp 390 rwtq

September 15th, 2009, 12:44 PM	#9
limited Premium Member 99 limited edition vert Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Tacoma,Washington Posts: 3,297 iTrader: 0 reviews	Should have got a KB In all seriousness, iat sensor is one of the most important sensors on a blown car. timing is based off this. get one on car asap and I would stay out of boost(at least don't "rip on it") they probably used a low setting to prevent detonation but I would feel uneasy without it __________________ KB'd 446rwhp/451rwtq, Mustang Dyno http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZDpQ0EEm1M Tuned by Joe at http://www.tricktuners.com Last edited by limited; September 15th, 2009 at 01:02 PM.

September 15th, 2009, 06:33 PM	#11
turbot4 Hardcore Enthusiast R.I.P. twin screwed!! Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: lebanon pa Posts: 2,377 iTrader: 9 reviews	if you need pics of the wires or where to tap i can take some just for you __________________

September 15th, 2009, 06:54 PM	#12
fallingaway2 Regular 04' Cobra fast Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Virginia Posts: 63 iTrader: 0 reviews	turbot4 if you could that would be sweet. and yeah like i said its a real conservative tune. so hopefully i can get this shit done by the weekend. sucks having it on and not letting it eat

September 15th, 2009, 07:34 PM	#13
turbot4 Hardcore Enthusiast R.I.P. twin screwed!! Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: lebanon pa Posts: 2,377 iTrader: 9 reviews	here, freshly taken......reps please __________________

September 15th, 2009, 07:37 PM	#14
BakerFX4 I Post Entirely Way Too Much Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Louisiana Posts: 16,251 iTrader: 14 reviews	hey, my car has never had that hooked up i believe. Is that bad? LOL. Its just laying in the engine bay i believe? __________________ 4.75 MMR 900se Livernois ported heads HP 292s blower cams Procharger D1sc at 20+ psi IW 15% OD pulley (and more bolt ons) E85 Tune/numbers coming shortly!!

September 15th, 2009, 07:43 PM	#16
turbot4 Hardcore Enthusiast R.I.P. twin screwed!! Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: lebanon pa Posts: 2,377 iTrader: 9 reviews	your mass has a temp sensor in it....but with fi it should be as close to tb as possiable, cmon baker you should know this... __________________

September 15th, 2009, 07:46 PM	#17
BakerFX4 I Post Entirely Way Too Much Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Louisiana Posts: 16,251 iTrader: 14 reviews	i know what it is and what it does but just dont have it hooked up. Apparently its fine. There was no hole. There was one in my stock procharger inlet. So with it there i thought, "that air is going to be the same temp as outside because it is not getting compressed so why does it matter. __________________ 4.75 MMR 900se Livernois ported heads HP 292s blower cams Procharger D1sc at 20+ psi IW 15% OD pulley (and more bolt ons) E85 Tune/numbers coming shortly!!

September 15th, 2009, 07:49 PM	#18
bandity2k00 Baker Jr. 2002 Mustang GT Coming after build!! Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Gambrills,MD Posts: 2,913 iTrader: 3 reviews	Yep, exact problem with my car man, Im ordering my IAT sensor now. Where can I order it online for a good price?? __________________ MMR-Modular Mustang Racing Phils Machining-For your ABS Module Delete Manifold! American Muscle-www.Americanmuscle.com HorsePower By Hermonn-TUNER THANKS TO ALL SPONSORS,READY FOR THIS 2012 RACING SEASON!

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September 15th, 2009, 08:25 PM	#20
BakerFX4 I Post Entirely Way Too Much Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Louisiana Posts: 16,251 iTrader: 14 reviews	caps = getting loud turbo? __________________ 4.75 MMR 900se Livernois ported heads HP 292s blower cams Procharger D1sc at 20+ psi IW 15% OD pulley (and more bolt ons) E85 Tune/numbers coming shortly!!

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