S/C question

hollagraphik · October 29th, 2009, 11:45 PM

im thinking about getting the 2.1 intercooled kenne bell kit soon and just wondering besides everything that comes in the kit what else should i be looking to upgrade/replace. ive read about some replacing the clutch, control arms, rearend rebuilds, and other various things but i dunno for sure what i should be looking to replace, also im gonna run about 10lbs. kenne bell says the kit is made for a completely stock car, which it might be ok, but i says they need to get a reality check. i guess leaving it completely stock would be alright but i think i would be good to upgrade a few things but im not sure exactly what lol. i dont wanna do all this work and then not have a car to drive because of something minor so any advice is much appriciated, thanks.

BakerFX4 · October 29th, 2009, 11:56 PM

fuel pump, injectors, MAF, and tune are the things you need. Dont know what all will come with the kit but those are the things that you HAVE to have.

wishIhada5.0 · October 29th, 2009, 11:59 PM

what you change greatly depends on what your intentions are...if you wanna throw on a set of slicks and go racing you had better do some body stiffening, rear suspension, beefed up rear end etc. Clutch is a give in regardless....it just wont hold long lol They claim that a BAP gets the job done but I refuse to believe that so an svt focus pump or a gt pump should do the job. The 2.1 is a really nice kit all in all. Oh, and by all means get a 90mm maf, JLT fenderwell intake (my personal prefference), and a 75mm TB...otherwise it'l be like trying to suck a football through a garden hose lol

edit: if you look in my garage you'll get a better idea of what comes with it and what doesnt and what you'll need etc. my build is on a tight budget so thats the bare minimum lol

BakerFX4 · October 30th, 2009, 12:03 AM

i was just speaking of things NEEDED to make the car run....

All the other stuff is just other mods.

wishIhada5.0 · October 30th, 2009, 12:14 AM

I only meant the stuff pertaing to the blower set up. base kit includes everything needed to make the car run and drive minus gauges and a custom tune...but thats it. the only other options on a 2.1 are the big tube intake with 90mm maf and 75mm tb and the other option is polishing. items needed to make it perform the way it should are the big tube kit, upgraded clutch, gauges (fuel, boost, and wideband), sfc's, and a custom dyno tune, and upgraded fuel pump (IMHO). anything past that is unnecessary right off the bat to go out on the STREET and have some fun..but thats just me lol If you wanna go to the track some attention needs to be paid to the rear end/suspension

hollagraphik · October 30th, 2009, 07:19 PM

its mainly going to be a fun street car. a fuel pump versus the BAP sounds like a good idea, as well as the MAF and TB. gauges for sure i forgot to mention those but im definitely getting them, also why is a fuel gauge important if i have one already? as for the intake, will any fenderwell be ok and what size? i will most likely upgrade the clutch as well when i install the kit, what clutch should i look at getting?

Scott2001GT · October 30th, 2009, 07:27 PM

fuel gauge? i wouldn't worry about that..

AFR, boost, and your choice on the 3rd on it you want 3...

hollagraphik · October 31st, 2009, 03:00 AM

i see a lot of people with 2 fuel gauges so im just wondering if there is something i dont know, to me it seems pointless.

hollagraphik · October 31st, 2009, 09:12 AM

are the 36# injectors ok that come with the kit or should i get bigger ones?

limited · October 31st, 2009, 02:34 PM

The ones that come in kit will be fine,actually they are 38's(thats what I recieved). Just buy the kit,install a good cai,75 tb,90mm maf and go have fun. upgrade as power level increase's.

I am running a stock clutch,long block, susp etc and it is holding up great and I don't baby it that much since I have another engine I am putting together for it,in fact, if it blew I might get motivated to finish it

Blitz34 · October 31st, 2009, 02:41 PM

Technically kenne Bell's kits are complete and come with everything you need.

Its up to you on whether you buy their intercooled kit or not. They should all have the neccessities to install, including fuel injectors, and boost a pump, but you need an maf. Like Baker said though the tune is key. Good tune will make it safer on your car.

Heres the link and it tells you everything that comes with it.

'96-'04 Mustang 4.6 2V 2.1L Supercharger

hollagraphik · November 1st, 2009, 09:08 PM

what are some gauge recommendations? i like the pod that replaces the dash bezel and if i had 3 id get the piece on the steering coloumn, but what are the 3 most people get. i know boost and wideband A/F but whats the other?

Eagle2000GT · November 1st, 2009, 09:55 PM

I have vac/boost and fuel pressure gages. The vac/boost gage reminds me that the supercharger is still working. After almost 50,000 miles I've gotten used to the power and need a reminder once in a while. Besides a boost gage is a suttle way of telling people what your running. I consider the fuel pressure gage interesting but worthless. Under normal conditions the needle swings up and down from 30 psi to 50 psi. I had originally thought it might tell me if I was loosing fuel pressure but it's not like a return style system. You might consider a wide-band AFR gage instead.

mounder27 · November 1st, 2009, 09:58 PM

wide band FTW, you can never be too careful when under boost just a better way to see what the engine is doing....

Scott2001GT · November 1st, 2009, 09:59 PM

the AFR and Boost is IMO the most important. for a 3rd kinda up to u...

mounder27 · November 1st, 2009, 10:00 PM

i run boost and a/f but if there is a third, i would want to have fuel for sure

Scott2001GT · November 1st, 2009, 10:08 PM

fuel pressure or level?

hollagraphik · November 1st, 2009, 10:18 PM

maybe there is a reason to have fuel pressure, i dont really see the need but i dont know why either. it seems to me that a fuel pressure gauge would be good if you thought it was too low/high but outside of that i dont see the need. wideband and boost for sure, those are give in's but i see a lot of people with 3 gauges so that why i was wondering really. id say wideband and boost are the 2 main for sure and with those you'd be straight but since i dont really know, id like to lol.

whats a good brand for gauges, what size and best place to find em? im not in a hurry to get stuff right away so piecing it together is no issue.

Scott2001GT · November 1st, 2009, 10:52 PM

autometer 2 1/16 guages.

moosenuk17 · November 1st, 2009, 10:57 PM

everything that you need comes with the kit..... minus the tuner....wise to get the AFR and boost gauges, and clutch

October 29th, 2009, 11:45 PM	#1
hollagraphik Regular 2004 Mustang GT Shake ñ Bake! Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Chuck County FTW! Posts: 152 iTrader: 0 reviews	S/C question im thinking about getting the 2.1 intercooled kenne bell kit soon and just wondering besides everything that comes in the kit what else should i be looking to upgrade/replace. ive read about some replacing the clutch, control arms, rearend rebuilds, and other various things but i dunno for sure what i should be looking to replace, also im gonna run about 10lbs. kenne bell says the kit is made for a completely stock car, which it might be ok, but i says they need to get a reality check. i guess leaving it completely stock would be alright but i think i would be good to upgrade a few things but im not sure exactly what lol. i dont wanna do all this work and then not have a car to drive because of something minor so any advice is much appriciated, thanks. __________________ 40th anniversary GT - MGW, SCTX3 93oct, K&N Intake, MAC Prochamber, MAC Catback, March UDP, Mach 1 grille delete, 6k HIDs Future Mods: 03-04 Cobra!

October 29th, 2009, 11:56 PM	#2
BakerFX4 I Post Entirely Way Too Much Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Louisiana Posts: 15,607 iTrader: 14 reviews	fuel pump, injectors, MAF, and tune are the things you need. Dont know what all will come with the kit but those are the things that you HAVE to have. __________________

October 29th, 2009, 11:59 PM	#3
wishIhada5.0 MM Fanatic 2002 GT, True Blue, Stick Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: About an hour east of Pittsburgh Posts: 3,403 iTrader: 0 reviews	what you change greatly depends on what your intentions are...if you wanna throw on a set of slicks and go racing you had better do some body stiffening, rear suspension, beefed up rear end etc. Clutch is a give in regardless....it just wont hold long lol They claim that a BAP gets the job done but I refuse to believe that so an svt focus pump or a gt pump should do the job. The 2.1 is a really nice kit all in all. Oh, and by all means get a 90mm maf, JLT fenderwell intake (my personal prefference), and a 75mm TB...otherwise it'l be like trying to suck a football through a garden hose lol edit: if you look in my garage you'll get a better idea of what comes with it and what doesnt and what you'll need etc. my build is on a tight budget so thats the bare minimum lol __________________ True blue crew founder/member #1 378/442 rwhp/rwtqon a Mustang dyno looking for block busting power...cms stage 3 blower cams on the horizon..[/ Last edited by wishIhada5.0; October 30th, 2009 at 12:02 AM.

October 30th, 2009, 12:03 AM	#4
BakerFX4 I Post Entirely Way Too Much Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Louisiana Posts: 15,607 iTrader: 14 reviews	i was just speaking of things NEEDED to make the car run.... All the other stuff is just other mods. __________________

October 30th, 2009, 12:14 AM	#5
wishIhada5.0 MM Fanatic 2002 GT, True Blue, Stick Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: About an hour east of Pittsburgh Posts: 3,403 iTrader: 0 reviews	I only meant the stuff pertaing to the blower set up. base kit includes everything needed to make the car run and drive minus gauges and a custom tune...but thats it. the only other options on a 2.1 are the big tube intake with 90mm maf and 75mm tb and the other option is polishing. items needed to make it perform the way it should are the big tube kit, upgraded clutch, gauges (fuel, boost, and wideband), sfc's, and a custom dyno tune, and upgraded fuel pump (IMHO). anything past that is unnecessary right off the bat to go out on the STREET and have some fun..but thats just me lol If you wanna go to the track some attention needs to be paid to the rear end/suspension __________________ True blue crew founder/member #1 378/442 rwhp/rwtqon a Mustang dyno looking for block busting power...cms stage 3 blower cams on the horizon..[/ Last edited by wishIhada5.0; October 30th, 2009 at 12:17 AM.

October 30th, 2009, 07:19 PM	#6
hollagraphik Regular 2004 Mustang GT Shake ñ Bake! Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Chuck County FTW! Posts: 152 iTrader: 0 reviews	its mainly going to be a fun street car. a fuel pump versus the BAP sounds like a good idea, as well as the MAF and TB. gauges for sure i forgot to mention those but im definitely getting them, also why is a fuel gauge important if i have one already? as for the intake, will any fenderwell be ok and what size? i will most likely upgrade the clutch as well when i install the kit, what clutch should i look at getting? __________________ 40th anniversary GT - MGW, SCTX3 93oct, K&N Intake, MAC Prochamber, MAC Catback, March UDP, Mach 1 grille delete, 6k HIDs Future Mods: 03-04 Cobra!

October 30th, 2009, 07:27 PM	#7
Scott2001GT BYAHHHH! 2001 Mustang GT 13.874 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Missouri Posts: 14,628 Blog Entries: 1 iTrader: 3 reviews	fuel gauge? i wouldn't worry about that.. AFR, boost, and your choice on the 3rd on it you want 3... __________________ Precision Turbo\|TurboSmart\|TeamZ\|Strange\|Hellion\|BBK\|SCT\|Edge Converters\|Fairbanks\|CG Fabrications\|Treadstone FRPP Big Bore Boss 4V swap coming Winter of 2012/2013

October 31st, 2009, 03:00 AM	#8
hollagraphik Regular 2004 Mustang GT Shake ñ Bake! Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Chuck County FTW! Posts: 152 iTrader: 0 reviews	i see a lot of people with 2 fuel gauges so im just wondering if there is something i dont know, to me it seems pointless. __________________ 40th anniversary GT - MGW, SCTX3 93oct, K&N Intake, MAC Prochamber, MAC Catback, March UDP, Mach 1 grille delete, 6k HIDs Future Mods: 03-04 Cobra!

October 31st, 2009, 09:12 AM	#9
hollagraphik Regular 2004 Mustang GT Shake ñ Bake! Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Chuck County FTW! Posts: 152 iTrader: 0 reviews	are the 36# injectors ok that come with the kit or should i get bigger ones? __________________ 40th anniversary GT - MGW, SCTX3 93oct, K&N Intake, MAC Prochamber, MAC Catback, March UDP, Mach 1 grille delete, 6k HIDs Future Mods: 03-04 Cobra!

October 31st, 2009, 02:34 PM	#10
limited Premium Member 99 limited edition vert Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Tacoma,Washington Posts: 3,067 iTrader: 0 reviews	The ones that come in kit will be fine,actually they are 38's(thats what I recieved). Just buy the kit,install a good cai,75 tb,90mm maf and go have fun. upgrade as power level increase's. I am running a stock clutch,long block, susp etc and it is holding up great and I don't baby it that much since I have another engine I am putting together for it,in fact, if it blew I might get motivated to finish it __________________ KB'd 446rwhp/451rwtq, Mustang Dyno http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZDpQ0EEm1M Tuned by Joe at http://www.tricktuners.com

October 31st, 2009, 02:41 PM	#11
Blitz34 Hardcore Enthusiast 2002 Mustang GT 13.907@99.85 Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Louisiana Posts: 1,476 iTrader: 11 reviews	Technically kenne Bell's kits are complete and come with everything you need. Its up to you on whether you buy their intercooled kit or not. They should all have the neccessities to install, including fuel injectors, and boost a pump, but you need an maf. Like Baker said though the tune is key. Good tune will make it safer on your car. Heres the link and it tells you everything that comes with it. '96-'04 Mustang 4.6 2V 2.1L Supercharger __________________

November 1st, 2009, 09:08 PM	#12
hollagraphik Regular 2004 Mustang GT Shake ñ Bake! Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Chuck County FTW! Posts: 152 iTrader: 0 reviews	what are some gauge recommendations? i like the pod that replaces the dash bezel and if i had 3 id get the piece on the steering coloumn, but what are the 3 most people get. i know boost and wideband A/F but whats the other? __________________ 40th anniversary GT - MGW, SCTX3 93oct, K&N Intake, MAC Prochamber, MAC Catback, March UDP, Mach 1 grille delete, 6k HIDs Future Mods: 03-04 Cobra!

November 1st, 2009, 09:55 PM	#13
Eagle2000GT MM Fanatic 2000 Mustang GT 12.73@111.36 Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Shelbyville, IN Posts: 4,732 iTrader: 1 reviews	I have vac/boost and fuel pressure gages. The vac/boost gage reminds me that the supercharger is still working. After almost 50,000 miles I've gotten used to the power and need a reminder once in a while. Besides a boost gage is a suttle way of telling people what your running. I consider the fuel pressure gage interesting but worthless. Under normal conditions the needle swings up and down from 30 psi to 50 psi. I had originally thought it might tell me if I was loosing fuel pressure but it's not like a return style system. You might consider a wide-band AFR gage instead. __________________ ProCharger P-1SC, 9 psi, STD 396/383; Uncorrected 388/375; SAE 383/370 Mods list in Garage.

November 1st, 2009, 09:58 PM	#14
mounder27 Enthusiast 02 mustang gt 6.92 @ 99 mph 1/8th Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: san diego,ca Posts: 665 iTrader: 0 reviews	wide band FTW, you can never be too careful when under boost just a better way to see what the engine is doing.... __________________ www.wmdracing.net

November 1st, 2009, 09:59 PM	#15
Scott2001GT BYAHHHH! 2001 Mustang GT 13.874 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Missouri Posts: 14,628 Blog Entries: 1 iTrader: 3 reviews	the AFR and Boost is IMO the most important. for a 3rd kinda up to u... __________________ Precision Turbo\|TurboSmart\|TeamZ\|Strange\|Hellion\|BBK\|SCT\|Edge Converters\|Fairbanks\|CG Fabrications\|Treadstone FRPP Big Bore Boss 4V swap coming Winter of 2012/2013

November 1st, 2009, 10:00 PM	#16
mounder27 Enthusiast 02 mustang gt 6.92 @ 99 mph 1/8th Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: san diego,ca Posts: 665 iTrader: 0 reviews	i run boost and a/f but if there is a third, i would want to have fuel for sure __________________ www.wmdracing.net

November 1st, 2009, 10:08 PM	#17
Scott2001GT BYAHHHH! 2001 Mustang GT 13.874 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Missouri Posts: 14,628 Blog Entries: 1 iTrader: 3 reviews	fuel pressure or level? __________________ Precision Turbo\|TurboSmart\|TeamZ\|Strange\|Hellion\|BBK\|SCT\|Edge Converters\|Fairbanks\|CG Fabrications\|Treadstone FRPP Big Bore Boss 4V swap coming Winter of 2012/2013

November 1st, 2009, 10:18 PM	#18
hollagraphik Regular 2004 Mustang GT Shake ñ Bake! Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Chuck County FTW! Posts: 152 iTrader: 0 reviews	maybe there is a reason to have fuel pressure, i dont really see the need but i dont know why either. it seems to me that a fuel pressure gauge would be good if you thought it was too low/high but outside of that i dont see the need. wideband and boost for sure, those are give in's but i see a lot of people with 3 gauges so that why i was wondering really. id say wideband and boost are the 2 main for sure and with those you'd be straight but since i dont really know, id like to lol. whats a good brand for gauges, what size and best place to find em? im not in a hurry to get stuff right away so piecing it together is no issue. __________________ 40th anniversary GT - MGW, SCTX3 93oct, K&N Intake, MAC Prochamber, MAC Catback, March UDP, Mach 1 grille delete, 6k HIDs Future Mods: 03-04 Cobra!

November 1st, 2009, 10:52 PM	#19
Scott2001GT BYAHHHH! 2001 Mustang GT 13.874 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Missouri Posts: 14,628 Blog Entries: 1 iTrader: 3 reviews	autometer 2 1/16 guages. __________________ Precision Turbo\|TurboSmart\|TeamZ\|Strange\|Hellion\|BBK\|SCT\|Edge Converters\|Fairbanks\|CG Fabrications\|Treadstone FRPP Big Bore Boss 4V swap coming Winter of 2012/2013

November 1st, 2009, 10:57 PM	#20
moosenuk17 MM Fanatic 2000 ford mustang GT Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: san diego CA Posts: 4,014 iTrader: 0 reviews	everything that you need comes with the kit..... minus the tuner....wise to get the AFR and boost gauges, and clutch __________________ 2000 kenne bell GT (440HP-432TQ) Tuned by Joe at http://www.tricktuners.com dyno vid:http://youtu.be/lr3xpxw2_v8 2011 escape MUSTANG TAT CREW

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