What exactly is full bolt ons?

Ke^in · November 8th, 2009, 07:44 AM

Originally Posted by RALVAREZ26

well, your opinion sucks! i spent less than $1000 piecing ALL my bolt-ons on my sig and got 45rwhp out of them, which isnt bad at all. i know some on this board spend 1000 just to get headers or spend the money on cosmetic shit that looks stupid on their 'stang.

F me... how did you do it ?

MikeJones · November 8th, 2009, 07:31 PM

im guesssing like craigslist of kijiji. i got my brand new steeda tri ax for 80 bucks canandian.

RALVAREZ26 · November 10th, 2009, 03:15 PM

Originally Posted by Ke^in

F me... how did you do it ?

looking for deals man, i dont have the big bucks like some people here. i trip out when i see people spend $1k on headers when i see them all the time here in dallas for around $200 (that's how much i spent for mine).
i know a lot of people are going to pull the BS flag on this but i spent $200 TOTAL for my 4:10's WITH installation! under the table job w/ a FORD tech at one of the dealerships here in Dallas.

M.P. Cobra Fan · November 10th, 2009, 03:22 PM

I hate you.

Pittbull · November 10th, 2009, 04:04 PM

ralveraz got tha hook up :O

RALVAREZ26 · November 10th, 2009, 05:23 PM

Originally Posted by Pittbull

ralveraz got tha hook up :O

dealership was closing so he was trying to get his hustle on before they shut it down for good.

MikeJones · November 10th, 2009, 05:49 PM

thats not too bad. i can get 373 for 230 bucks canadian then all i have to get is the install kit.. and a weekend off to do them

Mathos1 · November 10th, 2009, 09:55 PM

Originally Posted by ajm

^^ Speaks the truth... Where you from in the valley?

McAllen area

Eagle2000GT · November 11th, 2009, 12:56 PM

Heads, cams, and forced induction (supercharger, turbocharger or nitrous) are not considered bolt-ons.

There will be a lot of disagreement with me and thats OK but the only bolt on I regret getting is long-tube headers. I saw no gain, neither mid-range nor peak, on the dyno.

Pittbull · November 11th, 2009, 01:34 PM

^^ u didnt see ANY gains at all with the LTs?!?

Eagle2000GT · November 11th, 2009, 03:19 PM

None at all. The car was first tuned on a Mustang Dyno and turned 385/373. But it was running a little rich mid-range and a little lean at 6000 rpm because it had maxed out the MAF. A few months later I bought a MAFia at a shop closer to home and, since the car had to be tuned anyway, I bought long-tube headers and a catted x-pipe. The car was then put on a Dynojet. The first pull without any tuning changes was 385/367 and the curves were almost identical. After the AF ratio was adjusted the peak number dropped to 370/377 but I picked up 10-15 rwhp mid-range. This mid-range gain was not from the LTs. It was because we eliminted the rich AF mixture. Boost is supposed to drop when LTs are put on. I was running at 8.9 lbs before and 8.9 lbs after. No change at all so something is still restricting the exhaust.

I saw the last part of a show on Horsepower TV. They were testing shorties and long-tube headers on an engine dyno under climate controlled conditions. The shorties posted a 7 bhp gain (maybe 5-6 rwhp). After testing the long-tubes they just quickly said that there was no difference maybe a little torque mid-range and then cut to commercial.

Most people do multiple changes to their cars such as headers, off-road mid-pipe and a new tune all at once. Then they attribute the gain to the long-tubes. I read a post once that said LTs gave them 60 rwhp on a '03 Cobra. In a later post they said they had changed a pulley on the supercharger and gave it a more agressive tune. Obviously it wasn't the LTs that gave them the gain.

I have come to believe that it is the off-road mid-pipe that gives you the gains and that running LTs through cats is a complete waste of money.

I'm also not the only one that has seen little or no gains on a dyno from long-tube headers. Nanaki on another forum was completely disappointed with his results. I saw a thread once about a n/a car that posted very little gain. Most of the respondants told the OP that the results are much better for supercharged cars. It was interesting that most of the respondants didn't even have LTs on their cars and many that did were using seat of the pants data to tell them they got great gains. There were some, like me, who had done before and after dyno with little else changed. Even on supercharged cars, like mine, the gain was small.

RALVAREZ26 · November 12th, 2009, 12:27 PM

Originally Posted by Pittbull

^^ u didnt see ANY gains at all with the LTs?!?

here's my experience w/ my Longtubes.
my buddy has same mods but has shorty headers (when i had stock maifolds) and he'd beat me by fender. i installed my longtubes and then when we'd raced i'd beat him by 3/4 of a car. just 2 weeks ago he ditched the shorty's and went longtubes and tubular k-member and he beats me now by a little over a car now

maybe EagleGT didnt see any HP numbers on the dyno but in real world situations they do make a diffrence

Eagle2000GT · November 12th, 2009, 03:25 PM

Originally Posted by RALVAREZ26

here's my experience w/ my Longtubes.
my buddy has same mods but has shorty headers (when i had stock maifolds) and he'd beat me by fender. i installed my longtubes and then when we'd raced i'd beat him by 3/4 of a car. just 2 weeks ago he ditched the shorty's and went longtubes and tubular k-member and he beats me now by a little over a car now
maybe EagleGT didnt see any HP numbers on the dyno but in real world situations they do make a diffrence

Do you have cats in your mid-pipe?

Pittbull · November 12th, 2009, 03:53 PM

Wow that fuckin blows. Dynos don't lie but they have to help SOME WAY... I didn't kno that tho I thought lts was a good little bit of hp :-/

suprajay79 · November 12th, 2009, 04:39 PM

Well, I agree with Eagle- I've read nothing incredible about LTs.

I have read, however, that headers, combined with a cam, are the better gain because of exhaust scavenging close to the valve.

But back to the thread. Sorry!

Pittbull · November 12th, 2009, 04:44 PM

well technically we r on topic... cuz headers would fall nder the catagory of 'bolt ons' and from im reading, not such a great bolt on at that haha

suprajay79 · November 12th, 2009, 04:46 PM

Yeah, but from what I understand, to get the most out of headers, you should have a lopier cam.

I'm gonna patent that word. "Lopier." Fucking win.

MikeJones · November 12th, 2009, 04:52 PM

you may have lost some hp but you sure gained torque.. you went from 367 to 377.

Pittbull · November 12th, 2009, 05:05 PM

LOPIER! sounds good XD
i want cams so bad but just thinkin about the install makes me piss my pants a lil bit :O

Supra · November 12th, 2009, 05:09 PM

Originally Posted by Pittbull

LOPIER! sounds good XD
i want cams so bad but just thinkin about the install makes me piss my pants a lil bit :O

yeah same..

YouTube - 96-04 Mustang Cam install 2v VT cams

ive watched that video like 10x lol. it doesnt look too too bad. but the valvesprings look to be a pita

November 8th, 2009, 07:31 PM	#62
MikeJones Hardcore Enthusiast 2002 Mustang GT 13.7@103 Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Stoon, Saskatchewan Posts: 2,842 iTrader: 0 reviews	im guesssing like craigslist of kijiji. i got my brand new steeda tri ax for 80 bucks canandian. __________________ Mod6 Bigbore Kooks (parting out 2v motor)

November 10th, 2009, 03:22 PM	#64
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November 10th, 2009, 04:04 PM	#65
Pittbull I Post Entirely Way Too Much 2001 Mustang GT If you're not first you're last Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Rock Hill, SC Posts: 5,886 iTrader: 6 reviews	ralveraz got tha hook up :O __________________ Stock Rear Springs FOR SALE! PM Me Stock 99-04 GT Exhaust Manifolds FOR SALE! PM Me

November 10th, 2009, 05:49 PM	#67
MikeJones Hardcore Enthusiast 2002 Mustang GT 13.7@103 Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Stoon, Saskatchewan Posts: 2,842 iTrader: 0 reviews	thats not too bad. i can get 373 for 230 bucks canadian then all i have to get is the install kit.. and a weekend off to do them __________________ Mod6 Bigbore Kooks (parting out 2v motor)

November 11th, 2009, 12:56 PM	#69
Eagle2000GT MM Fanatic 2000 Mustang GT 12.73@111.36 Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Shelbyville, IN Posts: 4,736 iTrader: 1 reviews	Heads, cams, and forced induction (supercharger, turbocharger or nitrous) are not considered bolt-ons. There will be a lot of disagreement with me and thats OK but the only bolt on I regret getting is long-tube headers. I saw no gain, neither mid-range nor peak, on the dyno. __________________ ProCharger P-1SC, 9 psi, STD 396/383; Uncorrected 388/375; SAE 383/370 Mods list in Garage.

November 11th, 2009, 01:34 PM	#70
Pittbull I Post Entirely Way Too Much 2001 Mustang GT If you're not first you're last Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Rock Hill, SC Posts: 5,886 iTrader: 6 reviews	^^ u didnt see ANY gains at all with the LTs?!? __________________ Stock Rear Springs FOR SALE! PM Me Stock 99-04 GT Exhaust Manifolds FOR SALE! PM Me

November 11th, 2009, 03:19 PM	#71
Eagle2000GT MM Fanatic 2000 Mustang GT 12.73@111.36 Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Shelbyville, IN Posts: 4,736 iTrader: 1 reviews	None at all. The car was first tuned on a Mustang Dyno and turned 385/373. But it was running a little rich mid-range and a little lean at 6000 rpm because it had maxed out the MAF. A few months later I bought a MAFia at a shop closer to home and, since the car had to be tuned anyway, I bought long-tube headers and a catted x-pipe. The car was then put on a Dynojet. The first pull without any tuning changes was 385/367 and the curves were almost identical. After the AF ratio was adjusted the peak number dropped to 370/377 but I picked up 10-15 rwhp mid-range. This mid-range gain was not from the LTs. It was because we eliminted the rich AF mixture. Boost is supposed to drop when LTs are put on. I was running at 8.9 lbs before and 8.9 lbs after. No change at all so something is still restricting the exhaust. I saw the last part of a show on Horsepower TV. They were testing shorties and long-tube headers on an engine dyno under climate controlled conditions. The shorties posted a 7 bhp gain (maybe 5-6 rwhp). After testing the long-tubes they just quickly said that there was no difference maybe a little torque mid-range and then cut to commercial. Most people do multiple changes to their cars such as headers, off-road mid-pipe and a new tune all at once. Then they attribute the gain to the long-tubes. I read a post once that said LTs gave them 60 rwhp on a '03 Cobra. In a later post they said they had changed a pulley on the supercharger and gave it a more agressive tune. Obviously it wasn't the LTs that gave them the gain. I have come to believe that it is the off-road mid-pipe that gives you the gains and that running LTs through cats is a complete waste of money. I'm also not the only one that has seen little or no gains on a dyno from long-tube headers. Nanaki on another forum was completely disappointed with his results. I saw a thread once about a n/a car that posted very little gain. Most of the respondants told the OP that the results are much better for supercharged cars. It was interesting that most of the respondants didn't even have LTs on their cars and many that did were using seat of the pants data to tell them they got great gains. There were some, like me, who had done before and after dyno with little else changed. Even on supercharged cars, like mine, the gain was small. __________________ ProCharger P-1SC, 9 psi, STD 396/383; Uncorrected 388/375; SAE 383/370 Mods list in Garage. Last edited by Eagle2000GT; November 11th, 2009 at 03:35 PM.

November 12th, 2009, 03:53 PM	#74
Pittbull I Post Entirely Way Too Much 2001 Mustang GT If you're not first you're last Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Rock Hill, SC Posts: 5,886 iTrader: 6 reviews	Wow that fuckin blows. Dynos don't lie but they have to help SOME WAY... I didn't kno that tho I thought lts was a good little bit of hp :-/ __________________ Stock Rear Springs FOR SALE! PM Me Stock 99-04 GT Exhaust Manifolds FOR SALE! PM Me

November 12th, 2009, 04:44 PM	#76
Pittbull I Post Entirely Way Too Much 2001 Mustang GT If you're not first you're last Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Rock Hill, SC Posts: 5,886 iTrader: 6 reviews	well technically we r on topic... cuz headers would fall nder the catagory of 'bolt ons' and from im reading, not such a great bolt on at that haha __________________ Stock Rear Springs FOR SALE! PM Me Stock 99-04 GT Exhaust Manifolds FOR SALE! PM Me

November 12th, 2009, 04:52 PM	#78
MikeJones Hardcore Enthusiast 2002 Mustang GT 13.7@103 Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Stoon, Saskatchewan Posts: 2,842 iTrader: 0 reviews	you may have lost some hp but you sure gained torque.. you went from 367 to 377. __________________ Mod6 Bigbore Kooks (parting out 2v motor)

November 12th, 2009, 05:05 PM	#79
Pittbull I Post Entirely Way Too Much 2001 Mustang GT If you're not first you're last Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Rock Hill, SC Posts: 5,886 iTrader: 6 reviews	LOPIER! sounds good XD i want cams so bad but just thinkin about the install makes me piss my pants a lil bit :O __________________ Stock Rear Springs FOR SALE! PM Me Stock 99-04 GT Exhaust Manifolds FOR SALE! PM Me

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