Too good to be true??? 5.4 swap guys.

zigbigadoru · November 23rd, 2009, 05:38 PM

Originally Posted by BLK2KGT

The crank is forged stock so you SHOULDN'T have to worry about it.

Yeah the cobra r is only other one I can think too. I had a 4v 5.4 that I was goin to get for $1800 but the guy sold it out from underneath me. I bought my 2v 5.4 from a local junkyard for $800. But man you can make the same #'s with the 2v. My buddy harley makes 480 with a v2 vortech, a sheet metal intake, and forged internals. Now on the other two stages(150 each) he sprays on top of the blower, it made 750+/- and 850+/- through an auto. But if you look at some of the #'s that lightnings make on just a blower, its around 500/600.

Now I got my entire eaton setup for $600. This was the upper plenum, blower, mid intake, and lower intake w/ intercooler, the pulley bridge, and crankshaft balancer and blower pulley. I got the heat exchanger for $100 off of my friends cobra. Now the only other things i need is an intercooler reservoir, pump, t/b that I am getting for $40, the throttle cable, and bracket, and a maf. Im getting my blower ported by my friends dad for doin some work for him and Im getting a k&n intake for christmas. Now friend still owes me a good chunk of change so I might be getting a 4# lower also. Now with all of that through the 5-speed I should right over 400. Just food for thought.

Sorry for the life story.

yea absolutely. i like to think that for applications of under like 700ish horsepower the 2v is more economical and above that point is when the 4v takes over.

quiksilver225 · November 23rd, 2009, 09:36 PM

Originally Posted by norcalam2

Well I'm at the point that I want a brand new (freshly rebuilt) motor regardless of what I buy. I'm thinking I will probably go for the Navi motor for the same price as that will still be an increase of 40rwhp and 60+ftlb's ugh! I really wanted a blown 5.4 right away!

i getting a running navi motor, tearing it down, and forging the entire thing. Actually, im having Terri at Street Lethal Performance do it cause i dont have time with classes and work, but anyways id be glad to tell you what im buying, what parts im going with, and how much its gonna cost. Im doing everything with the best parts available so if you can wait a while until i do mine ill gladly be your guinea pig, lol.

quiksilver225 · November 23rd, 2009, 09:38 PM

Originally Posted by zigbigadoru

yea absolutely. i like to think that for applications of under like 700ish horsepower the 2v is more economical and above that point is when the 4v takes over.

i should have known that as soon as the 2V/4V conversation started that you would show up...

330CubeGt · November 23rd, 2009, 10:00 PM

Originally Posted by quiksilver225

i should have known that as soon as the 2V/4V conversation started that you would show up...

zigbigadoru · November 23rd, 2009, 11:14 PM

Originally Posted by quiksilver225

i should have known that as soon as the 2V/4V conversation started that you would show up...

hey quik. oh come on you cannot argue that $400 is not an awesome price for a 5.4 2v. thats all i said, give me a break. i even said it was my opinion and it was just my .02

330CubeGt · November 23rd, 2009, 11:57 PM

Originally Posted by zigbigadoru

hey quik. oh come on you cannot argue that $400 is not an awesome price for a 5.4 2v. thats all i said, give me a break. i even said it was my opinion and it was just my .02

Nah its not. 2V FTW!!!

zigbigadoru · November 24th, 2009, 12:16 AM

Originally Posted by 330CubeGt

Nah its not. 2V FTW!!!

you be quiet and dont add more fuel to the fire. there is no doubt that i love the 5.4 2v in almost every aspect but i see the advantages of the 4v now as well. i think he should get the one that he thinks is the best deal whether that be 4v or 2v. if he can get a 5.4 2v for $500 or round there i would say go for that, if he can score a 4v for $1000 or so i would say go 4v. it really just depends on the power desired and the price of the engine you buy.

BLK01SS · November 24th, 2009, 12:54 AM

Originally Posted by 330CubeGt

Nah its not. 2V FTW!!!

liljojo4711 · November 24th, 2009, 01:35 AM

this is going to get good again lol

norcalam2 · November 24th, 2009, 01:50 AM

well I can get a lightning motor oil pan to S/C minus accessories for the same price as I can get a Navi motor oil pan to intake also minus accessories. and they are both newly rebuilt with 0 miles...

I was under the impression that the Navi's crank was not forged... Am I wrong?

FML! I keep thinking I will benefit from a brand new engine when I know I need to rebuild it anyways!! looks like I'm junkyard hopping! probably going to find a 2V!

quiksilver225 · November 24th, 2009, 02:16 AM

the fact is that if you want to make 400+HP it WILL be cheaper to do on the 4V. good luck making that power N/A on a streetable 2V motor. thats gonna break the bank for you. there is nothing more expensive than big power N/A. in the end the 4V will come out cheaper for these reasons:

1. No need for heads: the TFS heads cost $2,000 and even when ported still will not outperform the stock 4V heads.

2. No need for porting: a $2,000 port job still will not get you 4V stock performance.

3. every part added to a 4V motor will make more power than the same part added to a 2V motor: a 2V intake might get you 15 to the wheels. a 4V intake will get you 25.

You will never regret the decision to get a 4V, because you KNOW that you bought the superior motor with the superior heads. You will NEVER have to second guess yourself. Sure you can get a 2V, and maybe initially you'll save a few hundred bucks, but with the 4V your gonna save money in the long run and your gonna go places with your top end that a 2V top end could only dream of.

quiksilver225 · November 24th, 2009, 02:17 AM

Originally Posted by zigbigadoru

hey quik. oh come on you cannot argue that $400 is not an awesome price for a 5.4 2v. thats all i said, give me a break. i even said it was my opinion and it was just my .02

i was just joking, even if you are wrong...

jivepepper · November 24th, 2009, 02:23 AM

2v's respond better to cam changes than 4v's.

If I went 5.4 it only be a 4v. Tim Barth from MPH has said on more than one ocassion that he can get just as much power from a twin screwed 2v as can from 4v. I know of 2 900 + 2v's using twin screw kb from there. Since centri SC's and Turbos are more efficent imagine a big YSI trim or a couple big turbos could do.

I do feel the a 4v is a better platform but the 2v has yet to meet it's performace ceiling. Once people start making big power they just usually opt for the 4v.

quiksilver225 · November 24th, 2009, 02:24 AM

believe me, if your gonna build a motor from top to bottom like i am doing you can do it for the same cost as you would a 2V built from top to bottom. Your buying the SAME shit... the only difference would be the top end which you will have already for the same price apparently... is it just me or is this a No-Brainer?...

quiksilver225 · November 24th, 2009, 02:30 AM

Originally Posted by jivepepper

2v's respond better to cam changes than 4v's. If I went 5.4 it only be 4v

i guess... thats about it though. a difference of a few horse power to their advantage while sacrifices every other advantage in the world that a set of 4V heads could provide you with... lol

jivepepper · November 24th, 2009, 02:45 AM

If I had the money I would build a 1000+ 2v just for shits and giggles.

MMR 351R mod block
MMR Pro Series (RACE MOD) Rotating assembly up to 2500 HP
TFS 44cc heads fully race ported by foxlake
Logan race ported intake
Either one huge turbo or two big twins

zigbigadoru · November 24th, 2009, 12:29 PM

i would like to comment that you can get a lightning motor for much less than a 4v longblock+intake. that is if you look around. that is my basis for saying that 2v up to like 700hp and 4v after that point.

quiksilver225 · November 24th, 2009, 12:34 PM

Originally Posted by zigbigadoru

i would like to comment that you can get a lightning motor for much less than a 4v longblock+intake. that is if you look around. that is my basis for saying that 2v up to like 700hp and 4v after that point.

but you cant use the supercharger. that leave you with just another 2V motor with forged parts... a lightning motor is worthless if you are doing a complete rebuild like he is. since he wants to use it on the street he cant have a blower sticking out of his hood.

ReverendDexter · November 24th, 2009, 12:47 PM

Originally Posted by zigbigadoru

the cobra r is the only other 5.4 4v i can think of but good luck on getting one of those. i would say get a 5.4 2v because generally they are cheaper but if you can find a fanatastic deal then go right ahead and get a 4v. just fyi i got my 5.4 2v for $400 and i doubt i could have found a 4v for that little. just my .02

Cobra R and Navi are the only N/A 4v 5.4s, but the GT Supercar and GT500 both have 4v 5.4s, too.

330CubeGt · November 24th, 2009, 01:21 PM

quiksilver22, Im not gona lie i purchased a 4V Intake upper,lower.T-body and IMRC's.In the Yard the other day.And was about to buy some heads but i said F it ill stick with the 2V lol...

A Part of me still wants to build a 4V But i don't think ill ever have the extra cash to do it

November 24th, 2009, 01:50 AM	#70
norcalam2 Hardcore Enthusiast 99 GT & 05 GSXR 750 next year Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Harnett County, NC Posts: 1,106 iTrader: 1 reviews	well I can get a lightning motor oil pan to S/C minus accessories for the same price as I can get a Navi motor oil pan to intake also minus accessories. and they are both newly rebuilt with 0 miles... I was under the impression that the Navi's crank was not forged... Am I wrong? FML! I keep thinking I will benefit from a brand new engine when I know I need to rebuild it anyways!! looks like I'm junkyard hopping! probably going to find a 2V! __________________ NCMM Treasurer/Coordinator Moto Droid FTMFGDW MM Cares Crew GRAMMAR NAZI NCMM Home page GODSPEED WHEEL GROUP BUY!!

November 24th, 2009, 02:16 AM	#71
quiksilver225 Hardcore Enthusiast 1999 Mustang GT Join Date: May 2008 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Posts: 1,278 iTrader: 0 reviews	the fact is that if you want to make 400+HP it WILL be cheaper to do on the 4V. good luck making that power N/A on a streetable 2V motor. thats gonna break the bank for you. there is nothing more expensive than big power N/A. in the end the 4V will come out cheaper for these reasons: 1. No need for heads: the TFS heads cost $2,000 and even when ported still will not outperform the stock 4V heads. 2. No need for porting: a $2,000 port job still will not get you 4V stock performance. 3. every part added to a 4V motor will make more power than the same part added to a 2V motor: a 2V intake might get you 15 to the wheels. a 4V intake will get you 25. You will never regret the decision to get a 4V, because you KNOW that you bought the superior motor with the superior heads. You will NEVER have to second guess yourself. Sure you can get a 2V, and maybe initially you'll save a few hundred bucks, but with the 4V your gonna save money in the long run and your gonna go places with your top end that a 2V top end could only dream of. __________________ BBK CAI, March UDPs, Eibach Sportline Springs, MM C/C plates, Koni Yellows, Centerforce DF clutch, FRPP Billet Flywheel, B&M Pro-Ripper Shifter, BBK ceramic LTs, BBK catted X-Pipe, SLP LM1, EBC rotors, 4.10 FRPP gears 5.4 4V coming soon Last edited by quiksilver225; November 24th, 2009 at 02:22 AM.

November 24th, 2009, 02:23 AM	#73
jivepepper I Post Entirely Way Too Much Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Under a sombrero Posts: 5,025 iTrader: 1 reviews	2v's respond better to cam changes than 4v's. If I went 5.4 it only be a 4v. Tim Barth from MPH has said on more than one ocassion that he can get just as much power from a twin screwed 2v as can from 4v. I know of 2 900 + 2v's using twin screw kb from there. Since centri SC's and Turbos are more efficent imagine a big YSI trim or a couple big turbos could do. I do feel the a 4v is a better platform but the 2v has yet to meet it's performace ceiling. Once people start making big power they just usually opt for the 4v. __________________ 665/541 WHP/WTQ 4.6L SOHC 2V ON 93 OCTANE PUMP GAS. NO METH INJ., NO E85, NO RACE GAS, N2O BABY BOTTLES! TRAP=POWER: 11.01 @135, IN SUMMER HEAT, 1350' TRACK, 315/35/17 DR'S Last edited by jivepepper; November 24th, 2009 at 02:31 AM.

November 24th, 2009, 02:24 AM	#74
quiksilver225 Hardcore Enthusiast 1999 Mustang GT Join Date: May 2008 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Posts: 1,278 iTrader: 0 reviews	believe me, if your gonna build a motor from top to bottom like i am doing you can do it for the same cost as you would a 2V built from top to bottom. Your buying the SAME shit... the only difference would be the top end which you will have already for the same price apparently... is it just me or is this a No-Brainer?... __________________ BBK CAI, March UDPs, Eibach Sportline Springs, MM C/C plates, Koni Yellows, Centerforce DF clutch, FRPP Billet Flywheel, B&M Pro-Ripper Shifter, BBK ceramic LTs, BBK catted X-Pipe, SLP LM1, EBC rotors, 4.10 FRPP gears 5.4 4V coming soon

November 24th, 2009, 02:45 AM	#76
jivepepper I Post Entirely Way Too Much Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Under a sombrero Posts: 5,025 iTrader: 1 reviews	If I had the money I would build a 1000+ 2v just for shits and giggles. MMR 351R mod block MMR Pro Series (RACE MOD) Rotating assembly up to 2500 HP TFS 44cc heads fully race ported by foxlake Logan race ported intake Either one huge turbo or two big twins __________________ 665/541 WHP/WTQ 4.6L SOHC 2V ON 93 OCTANE PUMP GAS. NO METH INJ., NO E85, NO RACE GAS, N2O BABY BOTTLES! TRAP=POWER: 11.01 @135, IN SUMMER HEAT, 1350' TRACK, 315/35/17 DR'S

November 24th, 2009, 01:21 PM	#80
330CubeGt MM Fanatic 1997 SVT COBRA 1996 Mustang V6 Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Orlando Posts: 4,880 iTrader: 14 reviews	quiksilver22, Im not gona lie i purchased a 4V Intake upper,lower.T-body and IMRC's.In the Yard the other day.And was about to buy some heads but i said F it ill stick with the 2V lol... A Part of me still wants to build a 4V But i don't think ill ever have the extra cash to do it __________________ -04 IRS - Magnaflow - Wheel Replica - Autometer - FTBR - FRPP - SCT - Brembo - PRO 5.0 - BOI-

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