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power adders
ok heres whats on my mind for a long time now. i wanna add a power adder i plan to rebulit my 2v motor from ground up. now i'm stuck between super charger or turbo. i know these 4.6s response to boost very good. i've looked at the tork tech kit which i'm leanin towards but i've got friends tellin me to go towards turbos. i'm lost i want more power and need some opinions to help get goin the right way. thanx
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I believe turbo is pricey but you maybe able to find some used kits for a good price.
Look at these s/c kits first before tork tech or turbo. Pro Chargers Vortech Kenne Bell Paxton How much power do you want to create though? Whats your plans as in drag or circuit? I would recommend Vortech its what Ive been looking at and planning on putting on my mustang. Some know I was gonna swap to a 5.4 but....vortech can get me to the range i want than spending more on a swap.
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i'm wantin 500hp min 800hp max and its gonna be a daily driver. and as for superchargers im want screw style. i just love the look of the supercharger on top of the motor. i've looked at tork tech and the tvs one they offer.
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i run a kenne bell and its the bomb! also the install directions are very detailed for an easy install.
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well above 450 your gonna need to rebuild alot of the engine like rods and crank
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yea i planned on a complete rebuild of the motor from the crank to the throttle body. every piece will get attention i'm even thinking about taking the motor from 4.6 to 5.0 or 5.1 stroker
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if i were you, i would go turbo. But thats just my two cents. Sometimes you can come out better if you just buy everything you need separate. I got two 60mm garrett T3/T4's for 750 a piece. The only reason i haven't installed them is because i have to get the money for someone to fabricate all my tubing since its a 5.4. But i think you would be able to achieve you 500 to 600hp goal a little bit easier. But then again, some people just like superchargers for some reason.
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turbos are badass but can make some serouis HP. BUT superchargers can as well, just robs it while making the power.
For your build you will want a 2.6L Kenne Bell, built block(crank, rods, pistons), a entire fuel system upgrade, around 800rwhp tranny work, chassis stiffening, suspension. Its a lot of power. Its great ohave have 400rwhp and 2000rwhp. BUT putting to the ground is all that matter and suspension is not cheap buit REQUIRED!
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5.1 Stroker defetnely way too go as for type of boost is depended on your driving style. If want instant power or want to change in out of lanes when some rice out peice of sht tries you lol or even when your dodging people who cant drive and need to move out of the lane that used to be urs your going to hate big turbo, and by instant do mean when the bottom surface of your shoe touches pedal your going to haul ass tha of course you want Charger.
Also if you are going turbo and you want to have full boost at 2500 your going to have to also get cams besides getting perfect turbo and back housing combination and even than you still wont have the response you have right now
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I went with a stock 03 Cobra Block for my lower end, got it for 1K from a friend and i know for a fact that it can handle plenty over 800 if not more. A strong foundation is def. the key but you also need a nice H/C/I setup also so that you can get optimal boost usage. I could throw on a Vortech V2 on my car right now and just put 12psi through it and ill clear over 500+ just because of my upgraded Heads with 1.84 Ferrea Intake Valves and 1.45 Ferrea exhaust valves as opposed to stock which is 1.73 intake and 1.38 exhaust. Cams will also help alot, but whatever you do just make sure you do a low compression motor like a nice 8:5.1 ratio, which is what stock 03/04 Cobra motors run with...
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yea ive looked at cobra bottom ends and stroker kits which i really like. as for rice and gettin in and out traffic is how i drive and goin to the track is what i want. as for suspension i have a friend with a 03 mach 1 which has tried about every part for suspension and tells me that maximum motorsports is the way to go thats how he plants his power and im most likely gonna throw the whole maximum part list at it. as for top end i'm lookin at the new trick flow heads and tork tech intake as for fuel system havent givin it much thought yet still lookin around. but for trans im most likely gonna do a 6 sp fully built swap, its a 5 sp now.
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Yeah thats what I figured cuz that what mustangs are for. Maximum motorsports has good suspension for sure. For Fuel all you need is ford gt fuel pumpms and 60 lbs injesctors.
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[QUOTE=MustangBryan03;2429401]I went with a stock 03 Cobra Block for my lower end, got it for 1K from a friend
Was this the whole rotory assembly or just block because if it was just the block your friend robbed you blind. there not worth more than $300 like I said just the block.
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Kenne Bell is my suggestion. I dont think I would ever switch to any other FI myself. $0.02
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I also recomend the KB 2.6l(even the 2.8l)
As far as a stroker goes,steer away from the 5.1, the overbore required (.080+)is not recomended for boost. although you can get 5.0 with a .020 bore and 3.750 stroke it would be better to go with stock stroke with a 3.70 bore(sleeved)
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i wouldn't stroke with boost..do dishes pistons on stock stroke IMO
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I want BWAL's setup- quad turbos with nawzzzz!
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Really the difference here is going to be a couple things
The turbo tends to be a bit more expensive for a complete kit just because you need a tubular K member to fit the piping. After that its all the same. The next difference is efficiency and power curve. The power of a turbo depends alot on your sizing of the turbo and everything. But in general your not going to have its power really kick in untill about 3500 rpm at the lowest. With a KB its instant and constant. If you decide to romp on it at 2000rpm, a KB will have immediate torque and start pulling. A Turbo will run like your normal n/a car untill about 4000 rpm when it will hit like you like a pissed off redneck prom date. The power curves are totally different, but the efficiency of a turbo is unbeaten. At 800 hp your spending 60+ hp to spin your KB. But with a turbo your doing nothing. And then of course the Boner factor. BOV sound, or twin screw whine?
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Look up Boost Bash on MM&FF. They had a 2 part series on the different types of boost and their curves.
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yea ive looked a little more into the stroker kits and at most ill get 40hp and for $2,500 thats not worth it to me. but for the noise i love the whining of a supercharger as for turbo my only downfall is i dont my car sneezing lol as all my friends say get a that car a tissue. as for the fuel system ive read in few things that the ford gt as well as the svt focus fuel pumps will work with the superchargers. also i have been told by my mach 1 buddy to switch out my shortys for long tube headers which i may end up doin. and i'm on kenne bells website all im seein is the 2.1 and 2.6 where do i find the 2.8. also if buy the 2.6 can i bolt it on to my stock block and keep the boost low will it hurt anything untill i do my complete rebuild.
Last edited by stang_bang2000; November 20th, 2009 at 08:06 PM. |
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