Time for another clutch

4pointquick · December 1st, 2009, 03:17 PM

I replaced my factory clutch about 6 months ago due to a bad throwout bearing. I didnt research enough and i winded up buying a POS Spec stage 1. Well the chattering is driving me nuts and i know itll slowly destroy the rest of the drivetrain. SO im looking into getting another clutch. Any suggestions?

Also flywheel suggestions?

** The car is daily driven**
**I dont want too hard of a pedal**
**Trying to stay around 300$

Thanks guys

dcook_14 · December 1st, 2009, 03:44 PM

What are your power levels now and what do you plan for power in the future?

I've heard awesome things about the fidanza 2.1 clutch and flywheel. Someone will probably mention the king cobra and the centerforce clutches as well.

wishIhada5.0 · December 1st, 2009, 04:08 PM

stock resurfaced flywheel and a centerforce dual friction will hold a good amount of power and have a nice pedal feel

dcook_14 · December 1st, 2009, 04:27 PM

IMHO I would get a new flywheel. You don't really know how the car was driven before you had it and the previous owner might have rodded the piss out of the car and been hard on the flywheel. Getting it resurfaced is okay, but I guess I always have the mindset that as long as I'm in there replacing stuff I might as well do everything.

Barracuda · December 1st, 2009, 04:41 PM

Agree w/ the flywheel...I got a new billet steel off ebay pretty darn cheap...i think around $100 and now I know it's good.
As for the SPEC...I just had to change my TOB after a whopping 30 miles (woo hoo!!!) Now i have the Ford Racing TOB and it is definitely smoother w/ less chatter (spec III) so whatever way u decide to go w/ a clutch do yourself a BIG favor...order a Ford Racing TOB (like $40 from summit) and don't live my nightmare

And i am not alone on this one either!

4pointquick · December 1st, 2009, 06:57 PM

well the car has 87,XXX right now last time i did the clutch we never it professional resurfaced we just took a grinder to it to take the graze off. But the only thing i was lookin at is aluminum, i think, weighs like 13 lbs (or 17 i forget) and steel weighs around like 26.....the factory nodular iron is dead center at 21lbs i think.....i dont want aluminum since its daily driven and i dont know if i want steel since its heavier then factory and will just make me lose RWHP

right now the car has mild bolt ons and suspension work....the next things r 3.73 gears with a t-loc rebuild and bearing kit, LTs, and hopefully a livewire tuner....but im putting these on hold to fix this annoying clutch problem

in the future depending on how the car treats me...i would like to do cams.....then maybe heads then maybe some type of F/I....who knows

Barracuda · December 1st, 2009, 07:01 PM

well...the new billet versus the stock unit didn't really feel any different in weight to me at all. As for a loss of rwhp...i really believe it's pretty minimal at best. If I thought it was really going to cost me, I would of went aluminum and check my garage...i care about HP numbers

JayC · December 1st, 2009, 07:09 PM

Give Walt @ Promotion a call. He hooked me up with one of their Super King Cobra kits for cheap (well under $300). Great clutch, easy on the transmission and holds everything I throw at it.

weems · December 1st, 2009, 07:33 PM

Fidanza 2.1 and their flywheel is a great combo. I had both in my mach, along with a spex stage 2 and a stage 2+, the fidanza was much better.

Also make sure you get a oem tob.

Pittbull · December 2nd, 2009, 12:16 AM

Why does everyone say to get a Ford TOB??? What's wrong with aftermarket TOBs??? I've heard a shit load of people say that and I still don't understand the reason...

quiksilver225 · December 2nd, 2009, 12:32 AM

Originally Posted by Pittbull

Why does everyone say to get a Ford TOB??? What's wrong with aftermarket TOBs??? I've heard a shit load of people say that and I still don't understand the reason...

the aftermarket tends to use lighter smaller materials on their tob's to reduce weight. This is a good concept, but poorly performed by everyone who makes the bearings. in the process of reducing the weight they weaken the bearings and they just dont hold up like a big, clunky, factory ford bearing does.

quiksilver225 · December 2nd, 2009, 12:35 AM

The centerforce Dual friction clutch is the best clutch for the money out there, no question! as far as other options go, you get what you pay for in most cases. id suggest you get yourself a FRPP billett steel flywheel to go along with the centerforce kit. ive had the centerforce kit on my car for nearly 3 years now and i beat the shit out of it. still grabs hard and the pedal weight is great. most other performance clutches require you to get a gym membership first and do claf raises just to be able to withstand the pedal weight. the centerforce is a great performing kit and the pedal weight is very comfortable.

Pittbull · December 2nd, 2009, 12:36 AM

Oohh I see. That's fuckin gay :-|
so ur sayin when I replace my clutch/flywheel with Fidanza clutch/flywheel I should buy a oem TOB?

quiksilver225 · December 2nd, 2009, 12:39 AM

Originally Posted by Pittbull

Oohh I see. That's fuckin gay :-|
so ur sayin when I replace my clutch/flywheel with Fidanza clutch/flywheel I should buy a oem TOB?

yes! DO NOT get any aftermarket throw out bearing.

4pointquick · December 2nd, 2009, 12:39 AM

The fidanza 2.1 is 279.99
the centerforce dual friction is about 364.99

thats the only thing thats making the fidanza look better to me right now. how was the fidanza's pedal effort?

Pittbull · December 2nd, 2009, 12:46 AM

Sir yes sir quik!

quiksilver225 · December 2nd, 2009, 12:55 AM

Originally Posted by 4pointquick

The fidanza 2.1 is 279.99
the centerforce dual friction is about 364.99

thats the only thing thats making the fidanza look better to me right now. how was the fidanza's pedal effort?

id get the centerforce. dont use the fidanza TOB that come with that kit if you go with the fidanza

4pointquick · December 2nd, 2009, 12:58 AM

yea i know. The FRPP TOB sounds like the way to go.....does anybody know if they have that at dealerships? or should i just go through jegs or summit.

quiksilver225 · December 2nd, 2009, 01:01 AM

Originally Posted by 4pointquick

yea i know. The FRPP TOB sounds like the way to go.....does anybody know if they have that at dealerships? or should i just go through jegs or summit.

ford has them. summit doesnt have it nor does jegs

Barracuda · December 2nd, 2009, 06:39 AM

Ford Racing M-7548-A - Ford Racing Throwout Bearings
SUmmit does have them...they just don't list it under a normal search for our cars.I just got one last week

Remember, I made 3 trips on a non-oem TOB and I am far from a car rookie. Get it and save yourself the headache. Here's the link to Summit racing for the part:
Ford Racing M-7548-A - Ford Racing Throwout Bearings - Overview - SummitRacing.com

December 1st, 2009, 03:17 PM	#1
4pointquick Regular Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 56 iTrader: 0 reviews	Time for another clutch I replaced my factory clutch about 6 months ago due to a bad throwout bearing. I didnt research enough and i winded up buying a POS Spec stage 1. Well the chattering is driving me nuts and i know itll slowly destroy the rest of the drivetrain. SO im looking into getting another clutch. Any suggestions? Also flywheel suggestions? The car is daily driven I dont want too hard of a pedal *Trying to stay around 300$ Thanks guys Last edited by 4pointquick; December 1st, 2009 at 03:30 PM.*

December 1st, 2009, 03:44 PM	#2
dcook_14 Banned 2004 Mustang GT 12.35@114.08 w/ 1.88 60' Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Waterloo, IA Posts: 7,015 Blog Entries: 2 iTrader: 7 reviews	What are your power levels now and what do you plan for power in the future? I've heard awesome things about the fidanza 2.1 clutch and flywheel. Someone will probably mention the king cobra and the centerforce clutches as well. __________________ Do the Right Thing, Cook. ~Zip.

December 1st, 2009, 04:08 PM	#3
wishIhada5.0 April 2012 ROTM 2002 GT, True Blue, Stick Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: About an hour east of Pittsburgh Posts: 4,083 iTrader: 0 reviews	stock resurfaced flywheel and a centerforce dual friction will hold a good amount of power and have a nice pedal feel __________________ True blue crew founder/member #1 378/442 rwhp/rwtqon a Mustang dyno cams are in..#'s coming this summer

December 1st, 2009, 04:27 PM	#4
dcook_14 Banned 2004 Mustang GT 12.35@114.08 w/ 1.88 60' Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Waterloo, IA Posts: 7,015 Blog Entries: 2 iTrader: 7 reviews	IMHO I would get a new flywheel. You don't really know how the car was driven before you had it and the previous owner might have rodded the piss out of the car and been hard on the flywheel. Getting it resurfaced is okay, but I guess I always have the mindset that as long as I'm in there replacing stuff I might as well do everything. __________________ Do the Right Thing, Cook. ~Zip.

December 1st, 2009, 04:41 PM	#5
Barracuda Regular Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Bucks County, PA Posts: 95 iTrader: 0 reviews	Agree w/ the flywheel...I got a new billet steel off ebay pretty darn cheap...i think around $100 and now I know it's good. As for the SPEC...I just had to change my TOB after a whopping 30 miles (woo hoo!!!) Now i have the Ford Racing TOB and it is definitely smoother w/ less chatter (spec III) so whatever way u decide to go w/ a clutch do yourself a BIG favor...order a Ford Racing TOB (like $40 from summit) and don't live my nightmare And i am not alone on this one either! __________________ 99' GT 5 Speed Stroked w/All forged Internals Vortech V2 Details in Garage 65' Plymouth Max Wedge Satellite (9.35 @ 154 all motor) 69' SuperBee- Stroked 500cu BB 05' Silverado/Duramax Mid 13's thanks to EFI LIVE

December 1st, 2009, 06:57 PM	#6
4pointquick Regular Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 56 iTrader: 0 reviews	well the car has 87,XXX right now last time i did the clutch we never it professional resurfaced we just took a grinder to it to take the graze off. But the only thing i was lookin at is aluminum, i think, weighs like 13 lbs (or 17 i forget) and steel weighs around like 26.....the factory nodular iron is dead center at 21lbs i think.....i dont want aluminum since its daily driven and i dont know if i want steel since its heavier then factory and will just make me lose RWHP right now the car has mild bolt ons and suspension work....the next things r 3.73 gears with a t-loc rebuild and bearing kit, LTs, and hopefully a livewire tuner....but im putting these on hold to fix this annoying clutch problem in the future depending on how the car treats me...i would like to do cams.....then maybe heads then maybe some type of F/I....who knows __________________ 1999 Mustang GT 5-Speed Last edited by 4pointquick; December 1st, 2009 at 07:00 PM.

December 1st, 2009, 07:01 PM	#7
Barracuda Regular Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Bucks County, PA Posts: 95 iTrader: 0 reviews	well...the new billet versus the stock unit didn't really feel any different in weight to me at all. As for a loss of rwhp...i really believe it's pretty minimal at best. If I thought it was really going to cost me, I would of went aluminum and check my garage...i care about HP numbers __________________ 99' GT 5 Speed Stroked w/All forged Internals Vortech V2 Details in Garage 65' Plymouth Max Wedge Satellite (9.35 @ 154 all motor) 69' SuperBee- Stroked 500cu BB 05' Silverado/Duramax Mid 13's thanks to EFI LIVE

December 1st, 2009, 07:09 PM	#8
JayC Hardcore Enthusiast 2001 Mustang GT Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Southern Indiana Posts: 1,346 iTrader: 2 reviews	Give Walt @ Promotion a call. He hooked me up with one of their Super King Cobra kits for cheap (well under $300). Great clutch, easy on the transmission and holds everything I throw at it. __________________ tuned by SPEEDY DYNO 12.41 @ 109 mph w/ CMS stage II cams 11.13 @ 122 mph NX 150 shot Launch soft, shift slow, rev low, stay slow

December 1st, 2009, 07:33 PM	#9
weems Tech Exchange Head Honcho 2003 SVT Cobra 11.70 @ 121 Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Forsyth/Statesboro, GA Posts: 9,176 iTrader: 3 reviews	Fidanza 2.1 and their flywheel is a great combo. I had both in my mach, along with a spex stage 2 and a stage 2+, the fidanza was much better. Also make sure you get a oem tob.

December 2nd, 2009, 12:16 AM	#10
Pittbull I Post Entirely Way Too Much 2001 Mustang GT If you're not first you're last Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Rock Hill, SC Posts: 5,892 iTrader: 6 reviews	Why does everyone say to get a Ford TOB??? What's wrong with aftermarket TOBs??? I've heard a shit load of people say that and I still don't understand the reason... __________________ Stock Rear Springs FOR SALE! PM Me Stock 99-04 GT Exhaust Manifolds FOR SALE! PM Me

December 2nd, 2009, 12:35 AM	#12
quiksilver225 Hardcore Enthusiast 1999 Mustang GT Join Date: May 2008 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Posts: 1,278 iTrader: 0 reviews	The centerforce Dual friction clutch is the best clutch for the money out there, no question! as far as other options go, you get what you pay for in most cases. id suggest you get yourself a FRPP billett steel flywheel to go along with the centerforce kit. ive had the centerforce kit on my car for nearly 3 years now and i beat the shit out of it. still grabs hard and the pedal weight is great. most other performance clutches require you to get a gym membership first and do claf raises just to be able to withstand the pedal weight. the centerforce is a great performing kit and the pedal weight is very comfortable. __________________ BBK CAI, March UDPs, Eibach Sportline Springs, MM C/C plates, Koni Yellows, Centerforce DF clutch, FRPP Billet Flywheel, B&M Pro-Ripper Shifter, BBK ceramic LTs, BBK catted X-Pipe, SLP LM1, EBC rotors, 4.10 FRPP gears 5.4 4V coming soon

December 2nd, 2009, 12:36 AM	#13
Pittbull I Post Entirely Way Too Much 2001 Mustang GT If you're not first you're last Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Rock Hill, SC Posts: 5,892 iTrader: 6 reviews	Oohh I see. That's fuckin gay :-\| so ur sayin when I replace my clutch/flywheel with Fidanza clutch/flywheel I should buy a oem TOB? __________________ Stock Rear Springs FOR SALE! PM Me Stock 99-04 GT Exhaust Manifolds FOR SALE! PM Me

December 2nd, 2009, 12:39 AM	#15
4pointquick Regular Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 56 iTrader: 0 reviews	The fidanza 2.1 is 279.99 the centerforce dual friction is about 364.99 thats the only thing thats making the fidanza look better to me right now. how was the fidanza's pedal effort? __________________ 1999 Mustang GT 5-Speed Last edited by 4pointquick; December 2nd, 2009 at 12:41 AM.

December 2nd, 2009, 12:46 AM	#16
Pittbull I Post Entirely Way Too Much 2001 Mustang GT If you're not first you're last Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Rock Hill, SC Posts: 5,892 iTrader: 6 reviews	Sir yes sir quik! __________________ Stock Rear Springs FOR SALE! PM Me Stock 99-04 GT Exhaust Manifolds FOR SALE! PM Me

December 2nd, 2009, 12:58 AM	#18
4pointquick Regular Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 56 iTrader: 0 reviews	yea i know. The FRPP TOB sounds like the way to go.....does anybody know if they have that at dealerships? or should i just go through jegs or summit. __________________ 1999 Mustang GT 5-Speed

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December 2nd, 2009, 06:39 AM	#20
Barracuda Regular Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Bucks County, PA Posts: 95 iTrader: 0 reviews	Ford Racing M-7548-A - Ford Racing Throwout Bearings SUmmit does have them...they just don't list it under a normal search for our cars.I just got one last week Remember, I made 3 trips on a non-oem TOB and I am far from a car rookie. Get it and save yourself the headache. Here's the link to Summit racing for the part: Ford Racing M-7548-A - Ford Racing Throwout Bearings - Overview - SummitRacing.com __________________ 99' GT 5 Speed Stroked w/All forged Internals Vortech V2 Details in Garage 65' Plymouth Max Wedge Satellite (9.35 @ 154 all motor) 69' SuperBee- Stroked 500cu BB 05' Silverado/Duramax Mid 13's thanks to EFI LIVE Last edited by Barracuda; December 2nd, 2009 at 06:43 AM.

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