12's n/a stock gears?

Blackbird1084 · February 17th, 2010, 04:07 AM

How many think it's possible? I'm going to atempt going 12's n/a with the stock gears,full weight and bolt-ons only(stock long block). I've been told by a few locals it can't be done but I want to try and prove them wrong.

MikeJones · February 17th, 2010, 04:08 AM

Already been done, by your one and only F8L GT! he did have 410's though, but a few bolt ons can make up for those.

Blackbird1084 · February 17th, 2010, 04:08 AM

Oh and my best pass to date n/a is 13.35 @102.

SWEET2KSTANG · February 17th, 2010, 04:10 AM

Originally Posted by mikejones16

Already been done, by your one and only F8L GT! he did have 410's though, but a few bolt ons can make up for those.

he's talking stock gears. f8l isnt the only one to go 12's bolt ons only. i did as well.

SWEET2KSTANG · February 17th, 2010, 04:10 AM

as or running stock gear, i dont see it happening on full weight or stock long block. not enough power for too heavy of a set up.

Blackbird1084 · February 17th, 2010, 04:10 AM

I've been told it's impossible to do on stock gears.

F8L GT · February 17th, 2010, 04:11 AM

With a good set of 15" wheels and tires and suspension you may be able to do it, Granted it wont be stock weight anymore. but you would have to be the best driver and have a miracle to pull it off

SWEET2KSTANG · February 17th, 2010, 04:13 AM

you lack the power to do it "full weight". you will have to start putting the ol gal on a diet if you want to do it stock gears and stock long block.

Blackbird1084 · February 17th, 2010, 04:20 AM

By full weight I mean nothing taken out. I've got sfc's,dbl adj uca's,lca's and I've unhooked my front sway bar but I haven't been back to the track since oct of 09 as our track closes during the winter.

MikeJones · February 17th, 2010, 04:22 AM

Ok Sweet, i'll mention you too whenever these type of threads come up. Who else am I missing? Don't wanna forget them either.

F8L GT · February 17th, 2010, 04:26 AM

Originally Posted by Blackbird1084

By full weight I mean nothing taken out. I've got sfc's,dbl adj uca's,lca's and I've unhooked my front sway bar but I haven't been back to the track since oct of 09 as our track closes during the winter.

stock weight and gears, theres not enough power to get the car rolling quick enough, especially since your adding weight (sfc, controls probably weigh a little more since they arent just stamped sheet metal)

Blackbird1084 · February 17th, 2010, 05:19 AM

My 13.35 pass was on 27" tall dirt track tires with a 1.85 60' my best street tire pass was a 13.61 on 275/40/17's with a 2.10 60'. I've got a set of 245/50/16 555r's that I'm gonna try them. If I can get the car to cut a low 1.8 on dr's it should run 13.1's and then I can add my headers that have been sitting for the last 2yrs,a spec s2+ clutch,aluminum flywheel and aluminum driveshaft.

F8L GT · February 17th, 2010, 05:21 AM

your cutting weight down with the aluminum ds and flywheel so why even bother keeping the sway bar in the trunk?

Blackbird1084 · February 17th, 2010, 05:34 AM

It's still full weight as nothing is going to be removed(ie spare,Jack,seats ect). And I'm using the aluminum ds and fw to help the motor rev faster not for the unsprung weight.

F8L GT · February 17th, 2010, 05:37 AM

the aluminum flywheel will also let it derev faster while shifting, wont have the momentum to keep the rpms up like the steel one

Blackbird1084 · February 17th, 2010, 05:43 AM

It's not in there yet. I really only bought it because it came with the spec clutch which I paid 225 for both and they only gave 2k miles on them and look to be in great shape. I normaly don't wot shift and I know that if I use the al fw then I'll have to start wot shifting in order to keep rpm's high. I'm hoping it works out but I'll just have to see.

Drgnracin72 · February 17th, 2010, 06:16 PM

I Dont Think Your Listening To Waht These Other Knowledgable Guys Are Telling You. You Asked A Question And They Have Repeated The Answer To You Multiple Times, But You Keep Arguing. Yes It Can Be Done, But It Will Be Very Difficult With Full Weight And Stock Long Block. You Are Not Going To Make Enough Power To Get The Car Rolling Out Hard Enough. Lose 2-300 Pounds And It Would Be Possible

Blackbird1084 · February 17th, 2010, 06:32 PM

I'm sorry I'm not trying to argue. Ok let me ask this then who has tried it? Somebody must have tried it in order for there to be a clear answer right? And since you guys don't think I can hit 12's how low in the 13's do you guys think I can get? And I'm just asking questions to find answers that'll make mod choices easier such as gear choice so I don't go to steep on spray but get good gains n/a.

Scott2001GT · February 17th, 2010, 06:41 PM

jw...why not change gears?

saxmanJJ · February 17th, 2010, 07:07 PM

There's a guy that runs at Atco Raceway that runs an 2004 in the high 12s on a good day who's got a stock longblock with all the boltons. I think he's got 4.10s though, with a stick shift. He runs Hoosier DOT race tires on Welds with skinnies in the front. I think the stock 3.27 gear is going to keep you out of the 12s. I think 4.10s are almost a necessity with nothing but bolt-ons.

February 17th, 2010, 04:07 AM	#1
Blackbird1084 Hardcore Enthusiast Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 1,380 iTrader: 1 reviews	12's n/a stock gears? How many think it's possible? I'm going to atempt going 12's n/a with the stock gears,full weight and bolt-ons only(stock long block). I've been told by a few locals it can't be done but I want to try and prove them wrong. __________________ 79 Buick regal 13.70 @102 350 sbc 97 Trans Am WS6 11.94 @112.26 1.603 60ft @Kcir 04 SRT-4 13.42@113.55 2.37 60ft 04 Mustang GT 12.19 @111.88 347hp 432tq 100 shot 06 Mustang GT 12.2929@114.30 2.01 60ft MM Bracket Racing Crew Member #4

February 17th, 2010, 04:08 AM	#2
MikeJones Hardcore Enthusiast 2002 Mustang GT 13.7@103 Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Stoon, Saskatchewan Posts: 2,841 iTrader: 0 reviews	Already been done, by your one and only F8L GT! he did have 410's though, but a few bolt ons can make up for those. __________________ Mod6 Bigbore Kooks (parting out 2v motor)

February 17th, 2010, 04:08 AM	#3
Blackbird1084 Hardcore Enthusiast Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 1,380 iTrader: 1 reviews	Oh and my best pass to date n/a is 13.35 @102. __________________ 79 Buick regal 13.70 @102 350 sbc 97 Trans Am WS6 11.94 @112.26 1.603 60ft @Kcir 04 SRT-4 13.42@113.55 2.37 60ft 04 Mustang GT 12.19 @111.88 347hp 432tq 100 shot 06 Mustang GT 12.2929@114.30 2.01 60ft MM Bracket Racing Crew Member #4

February 17th, 2010, 04:10 AM	#5
SWEET2KSTANG mm's nitrous mod 2000 mustang gt 11.79@115.83 (old set up) Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: N.W. AR Posts: 12,430 iTrader: 8 reviews	as or running stock gear, i dont see it happening on full weight or stock long block. not enough power for too heavy of a set up. __________________ project warhorse under construction being built by MP2 Performance

February 17th, 2010, 04:10 AM	#6
Blackbird1084 Hardcore Enthusiast Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 1,380 iTrader: 1 reviews	I've been told it's impossible to do on stock gears. __________________ 79 Buick regal 13.70 @102 350 sbc 97 Trans Am WS6 11.94 @112.26 1.603 60ft @Kcir 04 SRT-4 13.42@113.55 2.37 60ft 04 Mustang GT 12.19 @111.88 347hp 432tq 100 shot 06 Mustang GT 12.2929@114.30 2.01 60ft MM Bracket Racing Crew Member #4

February 17th, 2010, 04:11 AM	#7
F8L GT !FACEPLATED! 2002 Mustang GT 7.84 @ 86.01 Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Upper Michigan Posts: 12,063 iTrader: 13 reviews	With a good set of 15" wheels and tires and suspension you may be able to do it, Granted it wont be stock weight anymore. but you would have to be the best driver and have a miracle to pull it off __________________ MM Bracket Racing Crew Co-Founder ~Its a Drag Car, Not a Show Car~ Custom Race Transmission Build

February 17th, 2010, 04:13 AM	#8
SWEET2KSTANG mm's nitrous mod 2000 mustang gt 11.79@115.83 (old set up) Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: N.W. AR Posts: 12,430 iTrader: 8 reviews	you lack the power to do it "full weight". you will have to start putting the ol gal on a diet if you want to do it stock gears and stock long block. __________________ project warhorse under construction being built by MP2 Performance

February 17th, 2010, 04:20 AM	#9
Blackbird1084 Hardcore Enthusiast Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 1,380 iTrader: 1 reviews	By full weight I mean nothing taken out. I've got sfc's,dbl adj uca's,lca's and I've unhooked my front sway bar but I haven't been back to the track since oct of 09 as our track closes during the winter. __________________ 79 Buick regal 13.70 @102 350 sbc 97 Trans Am WS6 11.94 @112.26 1.603 60ft @Kcir 04 SRT-4 13.42@113.55 2.37 60ft 04 Mustang GT 12.19 @111.88 347hp 432tq 100 shot 06 Mustang GT 12.2929@114.30 2.01 60ft MM Bracket Racing Crew Member #4

February 17th, 2010, 04:22 AM	#10
MikeJones Hardcore Enthusiast 2002 Mustang GT 13.7@103 Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Stoon, Saskatchewan Posts: 2,841 iTrader: 0 reviews	Ok Sweet, i'll mention you too whenever these type of threads come up. Who else am I missing? Don't wanna forget them either. __________________ Mod6 Bigbore Kooks (parting out 2v motor)

February 17th, 2010, 05:19 AM	#12
Blackbird1084 Hardcore Enthusiast Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 1,380 iTrader: 1 reviews	My 13.35 pass was on 27" tall dirt track tires with a 1.85 60' my best street tire pass was a 13.61 on 275/40/17's with a 2.10 60'. I've got a set of 245/50/16 555r's that I'm gonna try them. If I can get the car to cut a low 1.8 on dr's it should run 13.1's and then I can add my headers that have been sitting for the last 2yrs,a spec s2+ clutch,aluminum flywheel and aluminum driveshaft. __________________ 79 Buick regal 13.70 @102 350 sbc 97 Trans Am WS6 11.94 @112.26 1.603 60ft @Kcir 04 SRT-4 13.42@113.55 2.37 60ft 04 Mustang GT 12.19 @111.88 347hp 432tq 100 shot 06 Mustang GT 12.2929@114.30 2.01 60ft MM Bracket Racing Crew Member #4

February 17th, 2010, 05:21 AM	#13
F8L GT !FACEPLATED! 2002 Mustang GT 7.84 @ 86.01 Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Upper Michigan Posts: 12,063 iTrader: 13 reviews	your cutting weight down with the aluminum ds and flywheel so why even bother keeping the sway bar in the trunk? __________________ MM Bracket Racing Crew Co-Founder ~Its a Drag Car, Not a Show Car~ Custom Race Transmission Build

February 17th, 2010, 05:34 AM	#14
Blackbird1084 Hardcore Enthusiast Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 1,380 iTrader: 1 reviews	It's still full weight as nothing is going to be removed(ie spare,Jack,seats ect). And I'm using the aluminum ds and fw to help the motor rev faster not for the unsprung weight. __________________ 79 Buick regal 13.70 @102 350 sbc 97 Trans Am WS6 11.94 @112.26 1.603 60ft @Kcir 04 SRT-4 13.42@113.55 2.37 60ft 04 Mustang GT 12.19 @111.88 347hp 432tq 100 shot 06 Mustang GT 12.2929@114.30 2.01 60ft MM Bracket Racing Crew Member #4

February 17th, 2010, 05:37 AM	#15
F8L GT !FACEPLATED! 2002 Mustang GT 7.84 @ 86.01 Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Upper Michigan Posts: 12,063 iTrader: 13 reviews	the aluminum flywheel will also let it derev faster while shifting, wont have the momentum to keep the rpms up like the steel one __________________ MM Bracket Racing Crew Co-Founder ~Its a Drag Car, Not a Show Car~ Custom Race Transmission Build

February 17th, 2010, 05:43 AM	#16
Blackbird1084 Hardcore Enthusiast Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 1,380 iTrader: 1 reviews	It's not in there yet. I really only bought it because it came with the spec clutch which I paid 225 for both and they only gave 2k miles on them and look to be in great shape. I normaly don't wot shift and I know that if I use the al fw then I'll have to start wot shifting in order to keep rpm's high. I'm hoping it works out but I'll just have to see. __________________ 79 Buick regal 13.70 @102 350 sbc 97 Trans Am WS6 11.94 @112.26 1.603 60ft @Kcir 04 SRT-4 13.42@113.55 2.37 60ft 04 Mustang GT 12.19 @111.88 347hp 432tq 100 shot 06 Mustang GT 12.2929@114.30 2.01 60ft MM Bracket Racing Crew Member #4

February 17th, 2010, 06:16 PM	#17
Drgnracin72 I Post Entirely Way Too Much Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: somewhere in oklahoma Posts: 10,638 iTrader: 2 reviews	I Dont Think Your Listening To Waht These Other Knowledgable Guys Are Telling You. You Asked A Question And They Have Repeated The Answer To You Multiple Times, But You Keep Arguing. Yes It Can Be Done, But It Will Be Very Difficult With Full Weight And Stock Long Block. You Are Not Going To Make Enough Power To Get The Car Rolling Out Hard Enough. Lose 2-300 Pounds And It Would Be Possible __________________ RIP ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ Political Correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical, liberal minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end. One Big Ass Mistake America SHEEPDOGS

February 17th, 2010, 06:32 PM	#18
Blackbird1084 Hardcore Enthusiast Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 1,380 iTrader: 1 reviews	I'm sorry I'm not trying to argue. Ok let me ask this then who has tried it? Somebody must have tried it in order for there to be a clear answer right? And since you guys don't think I can hit 12's how low in the 13's do you guys think I can get? And I'm just asking questions to find answers that'll make mod choices easier such as gear choice so I don't go to steep on spray but get good gains n/a. __________________ 79 Buick regal 13.70 @102 350 sbc 97 Trans Am WS6 11.94 @112.26 1.603 60ft @Kcir 04 SRT-4 13.42@113.55 2.37 60ft 04 Mustang GT 12.19 @111.88 347hp 432tq 100 shot 06 Mustang GT 12.2929@114.30 2.01 60ft MM Bracket Racing Crew Member #4

February 17th, 2010, 06:41 PM	#19
Scott2001GT BYAHHHH! 2001 Mustang GT 13.874 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Missouri Posts: 14,628 Blog Entries: 1 iTrader: 3 reviews	jw...why not change gears? __________________ Precision Turbo\|TurboSmart\|TeamZ\|Strange\|Hellion\|BBK\|SCT\|Edge Converters\|Fairbanks\|CG Fabrications\|Treadstone 4V swap in the works

February 17th, 2010, 07:07 PM	#20
saxmanJJ Hardcore Enthusiast 2004 Mustang GT 11.493@121.32 Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: SE PA Posts: 1,566 iTrader: 1 reviews	There's a guy that runs at Atco Raceway that runs an 2004 in the high 12s on a good day who's got a stock longblock with all the boltons. I think he's got 4.10s though, with a stick shift. He runs Hoosier DOT race tires on Welds with skinnies in the front. I think the stock 3.27 gear is going to keep you out of the 12s. I think 4.10s are almost a necessity with nothing but bolt-ons.

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