[01MGGT]

ok so yesterday we put a focus pump in the car. I couldn't find the gates 27093 hose but picked up some that I was told was submersible and rated to 300psi. I got it in there with some struggle. the new hose (5/16)used to delete the pprv fit perfectly over the tube on the fuel hat and I used a fuel injection rated clamp from Napa to hold it on there. The other part that goes over the 2 barbs on the fuel basket was a bitch. It would barely go over the second barb even with some lubrication. once I got it on best I could the clam kept wanting to slide. I finally got it best I could and ran it tight as I could get it. So I got everything together and it drove eprfect for two days even under WOT. Put a tank of gas in today once I figured I wouldn't be dropping the tank again (was running no more than a 1/4 before).

Once I got back to base I noticed it running a little sluggish when I got back on base to get some food. Thinking it was a fluke I turned it off. Came back out and it started but felt odd. Turned it off and wouldn't start back up. I can hear the pump when I turn the key on. Verified with tuning software the fuel pressure is reading 0 with key on engine off. I am pretty sure that hose either managed to kink up or came off. Any other ideas? What is the best way to fix the issue with the barbs on the basket? Cut that part of or what? How can I drain this tank of gas back out to drop the tank again?

[mell0]

you don't need anything else other than the focus pump for the install. it is a direct swap and fits like a glove.

[ajm]

^ exactly

[01MGGT]

I don't know if you guys read the entire post. I installed it but two days later I am having issues with no start. the only thing I did other than the install of the pump in the basket was delete the pprv valve.

[ajm]

What im tryin to say is you just made it more complicated for yourself. Drop the tank and install it the way it should be, but yes if youre getting 0 fuel pressure, it wont start, but the pump still kicks on it sounds like the line is kinked or slipped off.

[01MGGT]

the pprv needs to be deleted in boosted applications. The valve will cause a lean condition between shifts and can equal a blown motor. It HAS to be removed.Almost everyone that doesn't remove it when going boosted has reported problems.

[casper gt]

Originally Posted by ajm What im tryin to say is you just made it more complicated for yourself. Drop the tank and install it the way it should be, but yes if youre getting 0 fuel pressure, it wont start, but the pump still kicks on it sounds like the line is kinked or slipped off.

+1^ you'll be fine with the valve in place, drop the tank & re-install it.

[casper gt]

Originally Posted by 01MGGT the pprv needs to be deleted in boosted applications. The valve will cause a lean condition between shifts and can equal a blown motor. It HAS to be removed.Almost everyone that doesn't remove it when going boosted has reported problems.

it's accualy a fuel requirement issue that'll require removing the valve. ton's of F/I cars still have their valve in place.

[ajm]

Originally Posted by 01MGGT the pprv needs to be deleted in boosted applications. The valve will cause a lean condition between shifts and can equal a blown motor. It HAS to be removed.Almost everyone that doesn't remove it when going boosted has reported problems.

Do a little more research....Or read caspers post above at the very least. If removing the pprv was 100% required how come aftermarket s/c kits dont have it listed in the directions that its a necessity. I dont think they would leave out a step that as you put it gives problems to almost everyone that doesnt remove it and is boosted.

[01MGGT]

there is no putting the valve back in. The stock plastic line is no good. I'll figure it out on my own. The valve won't be going back in. You guys are the first people who have ever said I should put it back in/ left it in.

[casper gt]

were just the only ones on here right now but ask around & you'll find most people still have them (including ajm who is F/I & has no fuel problems with it being in)

[01MGGT]

lol well I have no choice now but keep the current setup. Guess I will file down the barbs.

[ajm]

Ok then answer this. Week after week a post pops up on here where people want to use the focus pump > gt40 pump. Why? Because they dont need to remove the pprv/buy a $30 fuel line, and because they dont want to cut wires.

Now...If it is required to run the gates line/remove the pprv with the focus pump that would go against the purpose of people wanting to use them due to ease...not like cutting and crimping 2 terminals takes any more brains or effort. Same goes for all these install guides you see about the focus pump. Theyre drop in plug/play.

[ajm]

Originally Posted by casper gt were just the only ones on here right now but ask around & you'll find most people still have them (including ajm who is F/I & has no fuel problems with it being in)

Dont have mine in...sorry if I confused you before...Running the gt40 pump w/ gates line. Believe it or not I wish there would have been a way to leave it in. Kinda a pain in the ass (just turns over a few more times than normal) starting once the gas gets real low due to the drain back.

[01MGGT]

PPRV-delete results are in - ModularFords.com plenty of posts here about it. I am just saying I find it better safe than sorry. I was simply asing how anyone who did it went about it. If they modified that nipple or anything.

[mell0]

all i can say out of my personal experience with FI i didn't remove any PPRV and my car runs beautifully, especially under WOT.

[01MGGT]

How can I drain the tank? Is it anti siphon?

[RyanGT]

The pprv delete is for the hesitation between shifts. Not WOT or cruising (altho it is a restriction).

It sounds like your problem is more crappy clamps if you couldn't get it on tight enough. Did you use the whole 1 foot hose or did you cut it? I was just in the tank and had to drop it again. I did it with a full tank of gas. Just siphon out the gas after it is dropped (put it on something higher than the empty gas can). Get a solid 10 gallons out and you will be fine. Just a little spillage if you aren't careful.

And as everybody/you said. You heard the pumps so it isn't wiring. It is kinked hose, or it slipped/is leaking. Get some better clamps and bolt it down, then unbolt it and peak in and see if any hose is even questionable. If so move it so it won't even be close or look like it is kinking.

PM me if you have questions or want to clarify (if i don't respond in thread again) I just spent a full 30 hours doing fuel system (dropping tank twice). And modifying stock setup for dual GT pumps.

Edit: yes it is siphon proof (well you can but then it fubars it) so don't do it!

[01MGGT]

Thanks for the reply. The between shifts is what I was trying to refer to The one clamp on the hat side is way good. I used the same part number that everyone has said in the guides. I used these PPRV-delete results are in - ModularFords.com if I remember correctly. I didn't cut any off the hose but the guy might have left just over a foot instead of right at it. Odd that it waited till I filled the damn tank lol. The clamps will stay tight but I think my issue is the hose bulges right where it goes over the second barb on the basket. Which means the clamp is like on a ridge. If it's blown off I will probably trim the barb off.

[PhillyStyle]

I was actually planning on doing the same thing when I installed my pump. BTW 01MGGT, did u drill holes in your basket?