[Cricket]

the thing is for my GT. I just want about 400 hp. I know that kit can get me there for a bit cheaper than another supercharger, plus I really like the whine of the eaton. I just wish that intake manifold was cheaper.

[ronster]

I,m pretty sure that if all you wanted to buy was just the intake manifold, it would be about half that price or less. It would come with a "blank" top plate and you could run it off the stock accessory belt. You could mount what ever blower you wanted on it. The kit on their site comes with a lot of additional pieces to make it work, and relocate all the other things that need to moved.

[SWEET2KSTANG]

i wonder if you can mount a 3.4 on it?

[jivepepper]

I would love to put a 2.8h or bigger on mine. I like twin screws as long as their big.

The reason I went centri at first was the cost. It's hard to a bet a entry level centri SC with a small entry level twin screw when money is a factor.

[Stewie88]

Originally Posted by ronster I,m pretty sure that if all you wanted to buy was just the intake manifold, it would be about half that price or less. It would come with a "blank" top plate and you could run it off the stock accessory belt. You could mount what ever blower you wanted on it. The kit on their site comes with a lot of additional pieces to make it work, and relocate all the other things that need to moved.

could you bolt up a M122 off a gt500?

[Cricket]

Originally Posted by ronster I,m pretty sure that if all you wanted to buy was just the intake manifold, it would be about half that price or less. It would come with a "blank" top plate and you could run it off the stock accessory belt. You could mount what ever blower you wanted on it. The kit on their site comes with a lot of additional pieces to make it work, and relocate all the other things that need to moved.

The intake manifold it self is $1999

[Cricket]

Originally Posted by Stewie88 could you bolt up a M122 off a gt500?

I don't believe so. I know they are working on a plate for the 3v guys to bolt on their, you might be able to. I honestly don't know. You should ask.


With that intake manifold you can bolt any eaton replacement supercharger on their.

[ronster]

Originally Posted by Cricket The intake manifold it self is $1999

Not true. The kit also includes the front mount cross brace that has the idler assembly, the PS relocation bracket, the alternator mount, the new damper and secondary pulley to drive the blower, thermostat housing, hoses, clamps, etc. You need the cross brace for the secondary belt drive. Here is more of the detail. '99-04 GT Supercharger-less Kit Using a '03/04 Cobra Blower
You can't run the blower off the stock belt, that has been the problem all along.
The kit, out of the box is making more power than a KB 2.1L at the same boost levels. 400+ with a stock upper pulley. 425 with a 3.1 upper, and 445 with some race gas. Ad some cams and ported heads and it is over 500 at 12 pounds, rear wheel.
I would install forged rods and pistons before I would push the limits on this setup, since they don't know what the limits are yet.

[acidtonic]

So whats the cost for everything minus the blower but including the needed upgrades like injectors?

I still dont think this is really my style and I'm building up my motor first anyway but really what are we talking here?

And when everyone says you can upgrade where do we find these other eatons? I know the M90 and M112 were found in some fords but the others I've never even heard of.... Can those be found cheap or is it really just to say you can upgrade? Buying them new cant be cheaper and the only incentive is cost really since other more expensive combos are making more power with less heat right?

Its cool that its cheap for those not looking to make crazy power but I'm too focused on higher numbers to blow the cash.

[Cricket]

I read it on a forum somewhere it was around $4000

[ronster]

Originally Posted by acidtonic So whats the cost for everything minus the blower but including the needed upgrades like injectors? I still dont think this is really my style and I'm building up my motor first anyway but really what are we talking here? And when everyone says you can upgrade where do we find these other eatons? I know the M90 and M112 were found in some fords but the others I've never even heard of.... Can those be found cheap or is it really just to say you can upgrade? Buying them new cant be cheaper and the only incentive is cost really since other more expensive combos are making more power with less heat right? Its cool that its cheap for those not looking to make crazy power but I'm too focused on higher numbers to blow the cash.

The idea was to offer the intake, the cross brace, and all the basic building blocks to fit ANY blower you wanted to put on the manifold on it. A blank slate.
They received a ton of e-mails from people who wanted to put on a used KB 1.7, or a Whipple or an M90 or an M112 off a Mustang, or one off a Lightning, or an M62 or because Bob down the street had a B & M that he bought in 1974 for his 42 Willys so, they offered a blank top plate. The buyer can shop for his own ebay injectors, heat exchanger, intercooler reservoir an pump, belts, tuner, etc.

The upgrade comes into play with the new TVS (Twin Vortices) blower from Eaton/Magnuson. Roush just selected it for all his cars, GM followed suit. If 500 rwhp is not enough from the Gen 5 M112 (BTW..the standard kit has not yet been tested on a "built" motor), then how about 750 from a TVS 1900 or a 1000 from a TVS 2300.

Here is some info. ROUSH Performance: TVS2300 ROUSHcharger® Kit (Complete Kit) Detail

In short, the manifold and parts were offered for the budget minded guy, who may already have injectors or a Diablo or an X=Cal and had a used blower he bought on Craigs list.

Now for the user who has a fairly "stock" GT and wants a reliable 400 horse daily driver, the full kit works. If he builds an engine with good internals, some Stage 2 or 3 heads and cams, headers, exhaust etc. there is nothing else to buy except a Cobra tank and twin pumps. ALL the other parts to go over 500 are already there. No bigger throttle body, no bigger CAI, no injector upgrade, no 8 rib belt option kit...it's already included.

Lastly...less heat? Less heat than what? A roots blower moves air by volume. Air in---air out vs a twin screw which is air in---compression---air out. You can't turn it off. It's always generating heat and robbing about 10-15% of your gas mileage. I call it great marketing.

I hope that helps...

[acidtonic]

Originally Posted by ronster The idea was to offer the intake, the cross brace, and all the basic building blocks to fit ANY blower you wanted to put on the manifold on it. A blank slate. They received a ton of e-mails from people who wanted to put on a used KB 1.7, or a Whipple or an M90 or an M112 off a Mustang, or one off a Lightning, or an M62 or because Bob down the street had a B & M that he bought in 1974 for his 42 Willys so, they offered a blank top plate. The buyer can shop for his own ebay injectors, heat exchanger, intercooler reservoir an pump, belts, tuner, etc. The upgrade comes into play with the new TVS (Twin Vortices) blower from Eaton/Magnuson. Roush just selected it for all his cars, GM followed suit. If 500 rwhp is not enough from the Gen 5 M112 (BTW..the standard kit has not yet been tested on a "built" motor), then how about 750 from a TVS 1900 or a 1000 from a TVS 2300. Here is some info. ROUSH Performance: TVS2300 ROUSHcharger® Kit (Complete Kit) Detail In short, the manifold and parts were offered for the budget minded guy, who may already have injectors or a Diablo or an X=Cal and had a used blower he bought on Craigs list. Now for the user who has a fairly "stock" GT and wants a reliable 400 horse daily driver, the full kit works. If he builds an engine with good internals, some Stage 2 or 3 heads and cams, headers, exhaust etc. there is nothing else to buy except a Cobra tank and twin pumps. ALL the other parts to go over 500 are already there. No bigger throttle body, no bigger CAI, no injector upgrade, no 8 rib belt option kit...it's already included. Lastly...less heat? Less heat than what? A roots blower moves air by volume. Air in---air out vs a twin screw which is air in---compression---air out. You can't turn it off. It's always generating heat and robbing about 10-15% of your gas mileage. I call it great marketing. I hope that helps...

Yeah that's good info thanks. Still not for me but I wanted to see what it was all about.

[ronster]

Sorry about the long winded reply, but I hope it answered all the questions. One last point that needs to be made. A comment is always made that the the 03-04 Cobra take their Eatons off and put on a KB and make lots more power. Well DUH...take off a 1.8L and install a 2.3L and make more power. Guess what. Its 30% bigger. Move more air and make more power. It's apples and oranges.

[acidtonic]

Originally Posted by ronster Sorry about the long winded reply, but I hope it answered all the questions. One last point that needs to be made. A comment is always made that the the 03-04 Cobra take their Eatons off and put on a KB and make lots more power. Well DUH...take off a 1.8L and install a 2.3L and make more power. Guess what. Its 30% bigger. Move more air and make more power. It's apples and oranges.

But what about the 1.8L KB still making more power.....

[ronster]

KB is a 2.1L or 2.3L. The Magnuson/Eaton is the 1.8L. The 03-04 Cobra's came with a Generation 4 Eaton. M112 is simply a size designation for the blower. 112 Cubic inches is 1.83 Liters.

[Cricket]

Just emailed Tork Tech about the Supercharger-less kit. Heres the info I got.

Originally Posted by Bill @Tork Tech The SC-less comes with the following: Lower manifold with our without the IC Cross brace assembly and everything needed to drive the Cobra blower, incl. lower added crank pulley The customer is responsible for the SC, the Tbody, the rest of the intake, the heat exchanger, fluid pump, and all hoses/clamps necessary to hook up the IC to the heat exchanger.

[ronster]

And this is what it would look like. This is a picture of a TTI manifold, TTI cross brace mounted in place with idler assembly, belt routing, lower damper, PS relocate bracket and secondary crank pulley, with an 03 Cobra blower sitting on top.

[Cricket]

Ok now the intercooler is under the blower, so that is going to be apart of the intake setup. I'm asking the guys over at SVTP about what the "rest of the intake" really is, what it's called, and I'm trying to hunt the parts down online with the help of others.

[ChrisJ]

Originally Posted by ronster Sorry about the long winded reply, but I hope it answered all the questions. One last point that needs to be made. A comment is always made that the the 03-04 Cobra take their Eatons off and put on a KB and make lots more power. Well DUH...take off a 1.8L and install a 2.3L and make more power. Guess what. Its 30% bigger. Move more air and make more power. It's apples and oranges.

Your also comparing a far superior in design blower as well...

Twin screw vs Roots is going to be one sided everytime...

So what is the total price on this kit?

Because I am just trying to see how this SC kit stacks up against a centri kit in price...

[Smoothgrandmama]

Ill make someone a deal on some termi parts if they wanna do this. . . . .