[freefallin2000]

Mods are in my sig. However, I am not too happy with the ProKit stance. And I think I need new shocks/struts, not to mention the car still pulls after alignment so I definitely need CC plates.

Option 1:
Sell the ProKit, get the H&R Super Sports, Maximum Motorsports CC plates, and different shocks/struts. I want to do good shocks/struts, but I want the cheapest ones possible. If anyone could point my in the right direction. that would be great.

FYI, I don't need adjustable, just a nice riding one. I life a touch softer ride. I don't want the car to ride too rough.

Option 2:
Stick with the ProKit, get 4.10's, SCT tuner, and master install kit. I will be getting the gears used for pretty cheap, but obviously still need tuner and install kit.

I honestly want both obviously, but am not happy with the stance and ride. Something is not right under the car. Meaning there is some kind of problem with either the shocks/struts or something.

I want the go because I can live with the stance. I just don't feel good when I look at it. I feel myself regreting not doing the H&R's and the "right" way (i.e., CC plates and shocks/struts).

Opinions.

[Supra]

For what they cost, why not buy "new" gears??

[I8ACMRO]

Don't get used gears. I was going to and got talked out of it by the guys on here. The gears won't line up properly, and you'll have a lot of gear whine. Just get new ones. Ford Racing Parts and Accessories at great prices has 4.10s for $139 w/ free shipping.

[JerseyTrueBlue]

SO many guys make the mistake of buying used gears and aren't happy with them. Someone on mustang forums is selling 3.73's in the classifieds with like 10k on them or something and I'm trying to talk everyone out of them. Guy claims they will work fine cause they were installed properly..someones gonna be real sorry lol.

As far as the springs and whatnot go, power is nothing if you can't put it down, get the car sturdy first then start building power, atleast that's the way I see it. Having the car sit where you want it will make you much happier, yeah power is fun but you can't always show it off. Everyone sees your car while it's parked though, you will feel good looking out your window and seeing your car lookin mean and low.

[Hawaiianbro]

Cheap shocks and struts that are good I would say Tokico HP
There 309 on latemodelrestoration as a shocks/strut kit.

Im getting H&R springs as well.

I always heard from a few people about the prokit is the rear sits lower than the rear though it only happens to a few mount of people. others it doesnt happen.

[Bullitt5339]

After doing a lot of suspension work in the past year, which automatically meant I had to help a ton of friends do theirs, I think I've run across the perfect budget setup for a nice riding and handling suspension:

Vogtland Springs from hotpart.com - $165 ish.
Koni STR.T shocks and struts - around $340ish

The Vogtlands are better than my old H&R SuperSports, they ride better, drop the car a little lower, and still provide great handling. The Konis are leaps and bounds better than the Tokicos at around the same price.

Combine those with 95 Cobra rear swaybar and 96-98 front swaybar, and you've actually got a decent riding and handling car.

[freefallin2000]

Originally Posted by Bullitt5339 After doing a lot of suspension work in the past year, which automatically meant I had to help a ton of friends do theirs, I think I've run across the perfect budget setup for a nice riding and handling suspension: Vogtland Springs from hotpart.com - $165 ish. Koni STR.T shocks and struts - around $340ish The Vogtlands are better than my old H&R SuperSports, they ride better, drop the car a little lower, and still provide great handling. The Konis are leaps and bounds better than the Tokicos at around the same price. Combine those with 95 Cobra rear swaybar and 96-98 front swaybar, and you've actually got a decent riding and handling car.

Hmm, Vorgland springs though, really? I know a couple guys on here run them, but arent they originally like an Ebay spring? I would liketo research those before I buy.

How are the Super Sports going to ride compared to the ProKit? It seems to ride hella rough. But then again, that's more then likely due in part to the shocks/struts.

Konis are pretty good from what I have heard. And the same price as the Tokicos? I would like to hear as much feedback from people and there setups as possible.

Suspension now, fast later. That's my theory.

[Bullitt5339]

No, Vogtland is a German company who are responsible for making like 70% of the springs for racing organizations such as NASCAR. They are an OEM company who make springs for other companies as well. Most of Steedas springs are wound by Vogtland, along with a lot of other companies who market suspension stuff. Steeda is just the biggest name I can think of off the top of my head.

They are huge in the German market, especially for BMW's. I was in Germany when I first heard of them, had them on my BMW while I was there, so when I saw them offering springs for the Mustang, I jumped. And I'm not sorry at all.

[ReverendDexter]

Problem with cheap performance shocks/struts is that they'll sacrifice ride quality for body control. If you want a good handling AND good riding combo, go with the Bilsteins. Yes, they're more spendy up front, but they'll give you want you want, and they're rebuildable/revalvable, so you never have to buy a new damper for your car again.

If you want cheap, buy some sensatracs.

[Bullitt5339]

I have Bilsteins on my car, but for someone not wanting (or not able to) spend all that money on a set of dampeners, the Koni STR.Ts are the way to go. They're much better than the Tokico HP's, and Koni is a lot easier to deal with when there are problems. I tried to get a set of Tokico D Specs fixed under warranty, and ended up buying my Bilsteins because I was tired of waiting to see what would happen with Tokico.

[freefallin2000]

Hmm, I may have to check out the Vogtlands. But no one answered my questions about ride quality. Konis sound great to me. While were on this topic, could someone possibly post some pics of the Vogtland springs?

I am just a little sketchy because everyone on here swears by the Super Sports and only a handful like the Vogtlands. If they were that good, don't you think more people would have them?

[freefallin2000]

Here are the Tokicos....
94-04 Mustang Tokico Hp Series Strut & Shock Kit at LRS - Same Day Shipping!

Look pretty good.....but will they react OK to lowering springs? I am certain my 98 had these and it rode like a dream. I was very happy with the ride quality of it.

[freefallin2000]

Konis

Koni STR.T Mustang Shocks & Struts - JEGS

Can be had it looks like for $316 fronts and rear...not bad at all.

SO these are a better shock and strut then say the Tokicos?

Which is going to offer a little softer ride? And which would pair up better to lowering springs?

[Bullitt5339]

If you look around, you'll see a huge number of great Vogtland reviews from Mustang owners, just most of them are from the S197 crowd. I think that so many people have run Eibach (which I hate the ride of) and the H&Rs that the crowd follows what's known to work, and doesn't like to try new things.

Here's a picture of my car with the Vogtland/Bilstein combo and no isolators

[freefallin2000]

Vogtlands
Vogtland Sport Lowering Springs for 79-04 Mustangs - Choose Your Application

Says it only drops the car 1.6"...thats not lower then the Super Sports. I am assuming they rate them really high?

[Bullitt5339]

Originally Posted by freefallin2000 Konis Koni STR.T Mustang Shocks & Struts - JEGS Can be had it looks like for $316 fronts and rear...not bad at all. SO these are a better shock and strut then say the Tokicos? Which is going to offer a little softer ride? And which would pair up better to lowering springs?

When dealing with performance springs, you don't want softer, you want more controlled. Softer leads to a lot of pogo-stick action, because the dampeners can't control the spring's movement. When they're more controlled, the ride seems softer and smoother, even though it's quite the opposite.

[freefallin2000]

Wow, that looks pretty good. No isolators all the way around? Have you experienced any noise or squeaking with not isos? Looks good but I would like to see more pictures if you wouldn't mind .

[Bullitt5339]

I haven't noticed any additional noise or squeaking, but I've also got a Panhard bar, spherical bushings, and heim joints in all of my control arms. So there's some inherent noise in all of that, so I probably wouldn't notice if there was, honestly.

[freefallin2000]

Looks good, just not as low as the Super Sports would sit...think I found my spring. But if someone can convince me to go with Vogtland, go right ahead!

[Hawaiianbro]

Originally Posted by Bullitt5339 I haven't noticed any additional noise or squeaking, but I've also got a Panhard bar, spherical bushings, and heim joints in all of my control arms. So there's some inherent noise in all of that, so I probably wouldn't notice if there was, honestly.

Damn you car looks good, how it sits looks great. Is the vogtland springs 1.6" all around?

Reason Im going with H&R is due to the stance and the drop cause ill have ISO all around. Ill be looking at getting 03/04 cobra A arms and UMI rear lca.

I may go with the Tokico HPs cause of price but like someone posted how well do they do with lowering springs? I wont go with adjustable shocks and struts due to i probably will never adjust them.

I have thought about Bilstien which I may go with pending on money.