longtube header install; while I'm in there...

thork · May 19th, 2010, 09:16 AM

While I'm tearing away to install the longtube headers (correction, while I'm paying a friend of the family who has worked at a ford dealership throughout the 90s to install longtube headers) is there anything that I should have him do at the same time that would otherwise be a pain in the ass to access or do on my own?

downloaded instructions from Mac for him and it seems like there's a lot of stuff he'll be removing to be able to install the new headers. just curious if you guys suggest I have him replace some parts that may be wearing down or do any maintenance while you're in there?

kind of like while you're doing a timing belt, might as well do the water-pump sorta-thing.

thanks very much.

(before I get shit on for it; yeah I know, I'm paying someone to do it. but i'll be there the whole time, he has a garage with a lift, full air tools, etc. he has his own garage/business but we're doing this on a weekend and he said he'll need an extra set of hands for some parts of the install

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dcook_14 · May 19th, 2010, 09:23 AM

All I can think of is a solid steering shaft if you want one of those

MM Solid Steering Shaft

Pittbull · May 19th, 2010, 09:25 AM

When I did mine I put in maximum motor sports solid motor mounts and energy suspension tranny mounts.

U have to drop the K member which is the entire front suspension. So u could replace rotors, brake pads, new bushings for the steering column. That's all I can think of hah

thork · May 19th, 2010, 09:53 AM

Alright, thanks fellas. If you think of any more, let me know I'll have him check everything you mention.

Getting this done in 3 weeks when he's got the time, backed up in shop now.

He works at Hummer dealership now, and has his garage with the lift for side-jobs. Says he still knows Fords from the 90s into the 2000s inside and out, said the longtube install will take a while, but he is definitely able to do it.

Shweet!

Oh btw, going with Mac ceramic long-tubes ( part TF9603 )and the Mac offroad H-pipe made for their LT headers ( part TF9699 ). Yeah i'm weird, like the exhaust to be brand-matching lol

NASTY03GT · May 19th, 2010, 09:56 AM

When I did mine I changed my starter, just easier to do while you got everything apart underneath.

dcook_14 · May 19th, 2010, 10:14 AM

Not a bad idea Nasty. There is one starter bolt that's a bitch to get out when everything is together

Pittbull · May 19th, 2010, 11:00 AM

Originally Posted by dcook_14

Not a bad idea Nasty. There is one starter bolt that's a bitch to get out when everything is together

That is a good idea! Wish I woulda don that... It was hard before and after the LTs were bolted up. I didn't even screw the top bolt all the way back in, I was like fuck this shit haha

dcook_14 · May 19th, 2010, 11:04 AM

I hope your starter falls out

Pittbull · May 19th, 2010, 11:13 AM

Haha it shouldn't! One of three bolts is about 70% screwed in and I couldn't wiggle it with my hand so I think it'll b ite

F8L GT · May 19th, 2010, 11:13 AM

only thing I can think of is motor mounts. If the starter is still working fine, might as well leave it. It isnt that hard to get to the bolts. other than that there really isnt anything else. get a good set of copper gaskets and locking header bolts for the headers. dont use what comes with the headers.

dcook_14 · May 19th, 2010, 11:20 AM

+1 F8L I'd go with the Stage 8 header bolts.

Pittbull · May 19th, 2010, 11:23 AM

Originally Posted by dcook_14

+1 F8L I'd go with the Stage 8 header bolts.

I was going to use those.... But then I saw the price haha

F8L GT · May 19th, 2010, 11:24 AM

and you will be hoping you did when yours loosen up and you can a header leak

Pittbull · May 19th, 2010, 11:27 AM

Originally Posted by F8L GT

and you will be hoping you did when yours loosen up and you can a header leak

Don't say that! Haha
I used OEM bolts so I didn't cheap out that bad... I just ran out of money and I wanted to get the headers on so.. Yeah ha

F8L GT · May 19th, 2010, 11:29 AM

dont tell me you used the cheap crappy paper gaskets that came with them also??

Pittbull · May 19th, 2010, 11:30 AM

BBK gaskets...

dcook_14 · May 19th, 2010, 11:49 AM

Pitt you know you're going to have to go back in and tighten them up after they are heat cycled a few times right?

Shaun03GT · May 19th, 2010, 12:21 PM

Yea I was going to say put on some better header gaskets.

thork · May 19th, 2010, 12:23 PM

Alright thanks for the tips!

Also... little confused though, I think I don't need gaskets....?

"MAC’s True Fit collectors eliminate gaskets, which are prone to leak. Headers retain emissions controls and come with threaded flanges, machined steel studs and self-locking flange nuts."

should I still get the Stage 8 header bolts?

thanks!

F8L GT · May 19th, 2010, 12:24 PM

you need gaskets where the headers meet the heads.

May 19th, 2010, 09:16 AM	#1
thork Regular 1999 Mustang GT 14.18@99.32 Join Date: May 2010 Location: Annapolis, MD Posts: 269 iTrader: 0 reviews	longtube header install; while I'm in there... While I'm tearing away to install the longtube headers (correction, while I'm paying a friend of the family who has worked at a ford dealership throughout the 90s to install longtube headers) is there anything that I should have him do at the same time that would otherwise be a pain in the ass to access or do on my own? downloaded instructions from Mac for him and it seems like there's a lot of stuff he'll be removing to be able to install the new headers. just curious if you guys suggest I have him replace some parts that may be wearing down or do any maintenance while you're in there? kind of like while you're doing a timing belt, might as well do the water-pump sorta-thing. thanks very much. (before I get shit on for it; yeah I know, I'm paying someone to do it. but i'll be there the whole time, he has a garage with a lift, full air tools, etc. he has his own garage/business but we're doing this on a weekend and he said he'll need an extra set of hands for some parts of the install )

May 19th, 2010, 09:23 AM	#2
dcook_14 Banned 2004 Mustang GT 12.35@114.08 w/ 1.88 60' Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Waterloo, IA Posts: 7,015 Blog Entries: 2 iTrader: 7 reviews	All I can think of is a solid steering shaft if you want one of those MM Solid Steering Shaft __________________ Do the Right Thing, Cook. ~Zip.

May 19th, 2010, 09:25 AM	#3
Pittbull I Post Entirely Way Too Much 2001 Mustang GT If you're not first you're last Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Rock Hill, SC Posts: 5,892 iTrader: 6 reviews	When I did mine I put in maximum motor sports solid motor mounts and energy suspension tranny mounts. U have to drop the K member which is the entire front suspension. So u could replace rotors, brake pads, new bushings for the steering column. That's all I can think of hah __________________ Stock Rear Springs FOR SALE! PM Me Stock 99-04 GT Exhaust Manifolds FOR SALE! PM Me

May 19th, 2010, 09:53 AM	#4
thork Regular 1999 Mustang GT 14.18@99.32 Join Date: May 2010 Location: Annapolis, MD Posts: 269 iTrader: 0 reviews	Alright, thanks fellas. If you think of any more, let me know I'll have him check everything you mention. Getting this done in 3 weeks when he's got the time, backed up in shop now. He works at Hummer dealership now, and has his garage with the lift for side-jobs. Says he still knows Fords from the 90s into the 2000s inside and out, said the longtube install will take a while, but he is definitely able to do it. Shweet! Oh btw, going with Mac ceramic long-tubes ( part TF9603 )and the Mac offroad H-pipe made for their LT headers ( part TF9699 ). Yeah i'm weird, like the exhaust to be brand-matching lol Last edited by thork; May 19th, 2010 at 09:55 AM.

May 19th, 2010, 10:14 AM	#6
dcook_14 Banned 2004 Mustang GT 12.35@114.08 w/ 1.88 60' Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Waterloo, IA Posts: 7,015 Blog Entries: 2 iTrader: 7 reviews	Not a bad idea Nasty. There is one starter bolt that's a bitch to get out when everything is together __________________ Do the Right Thing, Cook. ~Zip.

May 19th, 2010, 11:04 AM	#8
dcook_14 Banned 2004 Mustang GT 12.35@114.08 w/ 1.88 60' Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Waterloo, IA Posts: 7,015 Blog Entries: 2 iTrader: 7 reviews	I hope your starter falls out __________________ Do the Right Thing, Cook. ~Zip.

May 19th, 2010, 11:13 AM	#9
Pittbull I Post Entirely Way Too Much 2001 Mustang GT If you're not first you're last Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Rock Hill, SC Posts: 5,892 iTrader: 6 reviews	Haha it shouldn't! One of three bolts is about 70% screwed in and I couldn't wiggle it with my hand so I think it'll b ite __________________ Stock Rear Springs FOR SALE! PM Me Stock 99-04 GT Exhaust Manifolds FOR SALE! PM Me

May 19th, 2010, 11:13 AM	#10
F8L GT !FACEPLATED! 2002 Mustang GT 7.84 @ 86.01 Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Upper Michigan Posts: 12,917 iTrader: 13 reviews	only thing I can think of is motor mounts. If the starter is still working fine, might as well leave it. It isnt that hard to get to the bolts. other than that there really isnt anything else. get a good set of copper gaskets and locking header bolts for the headers. dont use what comes with the headers. __________________ MM Bracket Racing Crew Co-Founder ~Its a Drag Car, Not a Show Car~ LINK-->Custom Race Transmission Build<--LINK

May 19th, 2010, 11:20 AM	#11
dcook_14 Banned 2004 Mustang GT 12.35@114.08 w/ 1.88 60' Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Waterloo, IA Posts: 7,015 Blog Entries: 2 iTrader: 7 reviews	+1 F8L I'd go with the Stage 8 header bolts. __________________ Do the Right Thing, Cook. ~Zip.

May 19th, 2010, 11:24 AM	#13
F8L GT !FACEPLATED! 2002 Mustang GT 7.84 @ 86.01 Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Upper Michigan Posts: 12,917 iTrader: 13 reviews	and you will be hoping you did when yours loosen up and you can a header leak __________________ MM Bracket Racing Crew Co-Founder ~Its a Drag Car, Not a Show Car~ LINK-->Custom Race Transmission Build<--LINK

May 19th, 2010, 11:29 AM	#15
F8L GT !FACEPLATED! 2002 Mustang GT 7.84 @ 86.01 Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Upper Michigan Posts: 12,917 iTrader: 13 reviews	dont tell me you used the cheap crappy paper gaskets that came with them also?? __________________ MM Bracket Racing Crew Co-Founder ~Its a Drag Car, Not a Show Car~ LINK-->Custom Race Transmission Build<--LINK

May 19th, 2010, 11:30 AM	#16
Pittbull I Post Entirely Way Too Much 2001 Mustang GT If you're not first you're last Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Rock Hill, SC Posts: 5,892 iTrader: 6 reviews	BBK gaskets... __________________ Stock Rear Springs FOR SALE! PM Me Stock 99-04 GT Exhaust Manifolds FOR SALE! PM Me

May 19th, 2010, 11:49 AM	#17
dcook_14 Banned 2004 Mustang GT 12.35@114.08 w/ 1.88 60' Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Waterloo, IA Posts: 7,015 Blog Entries: 2 iTrader: 7 reviews	Pitt you know you're going to have to go back in and tighten them up after they are heat cycled a few times right? __________________ Do the Right Thing, Cook. ~Zip.

May 19th, 2010, 12:21 PM	#18
Shaun03GT I Post Entirely Way Too Much 2003 Mustang GT 1/8 - 7.92 @ 91.13mph 1/4 - 12.21 @ 115.84mph Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Weymouth, MA Posts: 13,441 iTrader: 12 reviews	Yea I was going to say put on some better header gaskets. __________________ Vortech V1 Intercooled @ 11psi 394rwhp/392rwtq @ 9.5psi 415rwhp/400rwtq @ 11psi on Methanol Tuned By: Pete @ Performance Dyno Affordable Supercharger Build Guide Supercharger Info for Noobs

May 19th, 2010, 12:23 PM	#19
thork Regular 1999 Mustang GT 14.18@99.32 Join Date: May 2010 Location: Annapolis, MD Posts: 269 iTrader: 0 reviews	Alright thanks for the tips! Also... little confused though, I think I don't need gaskets....? "MAC’s True Fit collectors eliminate gaskets, which are prone to leak. Headers retain emissions controls and come with threaded flanges, machined steel studs and self-locking flange nuts." should I still get the Stage 8 header bolts? thanks!

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May 19th, 2010, 12:24 PM	#20
F8L GT !FACEPLATED! 2002 Mustang GT 7.84 @ 86.01 Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Upper Michigan Posts: 12,917 iTrader: 13 reviews	you need gaskets where the headers meet the heads. __________________ MM Bracket Racing Crew Co-Founder ~Its a Drag Car, Not a Show Car~ LINK-->Custom Race Transmission Build<--LINK

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