Faceplated TR-3650 Build (Probably the only one in existance)

F8L GT · June 10th, 2010, 03:16 AM

I had another thread with most of this info in it but it was a run on thread and hard to follow. So heres the real thread of the fabricating process.

2nd race of this season my synchro for 3rd went out. The common problem with the 3650. We first tried to convert it over to a crash box but the factory sliders could not handle it and ended up rounding over the teeth of the slider. I was originally going to buy the TSB rebuild kit from D&D Performance, but after talking with my dad he said we could do something for way less than what the kit was and make it last longer than another synchro setup. Here are some of the pics in the works. Now mind you the car is more of a track car now than anything so streetability isnt a huge concern.

Machined the synchro teeth off the gears and machined that area down to 3" for the new pieces to shrink on and get welded to.

Dog rings are being machined out of 8620 so everything can be heat treated once finished. Here are a few pics of the dog rings

This is the side that will go onto the sliders.

And this is the style that will be on the gears once finished

We are going to make a new slider for 3-4 out of a thicker piece of material instead of mating 3 pieces together

With the centers cut out of the new dog rings, they are ready to be shrunk and welded to the gears. Once welded I can face them off and then send them out for heat treating. Next is to start working on the new 3-4 gear slider

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The lugs are back cut 5* to help stay in gear under acceleration

I will post more pics when i get more machining done. This afternoon I will be butting the back cut into the teeth so they wont pop out of gear when

Update:
1-2 slider- needs to be welded yet and back cut put on the teeth but it is shrunk onto the factory slider.

MATT02GT · June 10th, 2010, 04:06 AM

Pretty crazy man, cudos on the custom fab work

Lefty · June 10th, 2010, 09:35 AM

That's sexytime right there; nice job.

dcook_14 · June 10th, 2010, 10:07 AM

Looking great F8L, I wish I had all that machinery so I could custom fab parts like that!

zinc-vert02 · June 10th, 2010, 10:30 AM

that is freaking awsome!

tbirdscwd · June 10th, 2010, 03:05 PM

Damn nice, when are you gonna strt selling a kit? First customer right here if it works on your car!!!

F8L GT · June 20th, 2010, 03:50 PM

Haha, no kits lol.

Update on first post

BakerFX4 · June 20th, 2010, 03:56 PM

F8L... you must be pretty comfortable in the money category.

F8L GT · June 20th, 2010, 03:57 PM

hell no, thats why i have to make everything instead of buying a face plated tko600 like i want

PapaSmurf · June 20th, 2010, 05:41 PM

awesome work Michael

3sportbob · June 20th, 2010, 10:56 PM

Did you get it back from the heat treating yet?
I lost track of where you were.

F8L GT · June 20th, 2010, 10:57 PM

no, still machining

F8L GT · June 30th, 2010, 01:33 PM

havent been able to work on it for a while. been working 70-80 hour weeks. Finally started to work on the 3-4 slider. Should have that done by the end of the weekend. Pics will be up as soon as i get it machined

M.P. Cobra Fan · June 30th, 2010, 01:50 PM

That is fucking awesome man. I wish you lived near me. I would have you working your ass off!

For money of course.

F8L GT · August 1st, 2010, 10:10 PM

Its been a while but heres a quick update.

1-2 slider is finished and ready to be heat treated.

3-4 slider is almost finished, Just need to spline the ID and then cut the groove for the shift fork.

F8L GT · August 2nd, 2010, 02:44 PM

Fresh out of the oven

MikeJones · August 2nd, 2010, 07:44 PM

haha literally. I see you bread cutting board.

Ross@TXCW · August 2nd, 2010, 08:05 PM

haha. u didnt "heat treat" that in your oven did u? what RC did u get it up to?

F8L GT · August 2nd, 2010, 08:10 PM

Originally Posted by Ross@TXCW

haha. u didnt "heat treat" that in your oven did u? what RC did u get it up to?

No, the rings were put in the oven at 500* for 2 hours and the gears in the freezer for 2 hours just to get them mated together. After final machining they will then be sent out to get heat treated

Ross@TXCW · August 2nd, 2010, 08:21 PM

oh ok. makes since now. we do quiet a bit of heat treating at our shop.

June 10th, 2010, 03:16 AM	#1
F8L GT !FACEPLATED! 2002 Mustang GT 7.84 @ 86.01 Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Upper Michigan Posts: 12,917 iTrader: 13 reviews	Faceplated TR-3650 Build (Probably the only one in existance) I had another thread with most of this info in it but it was a run on thread and hard to follow. So heres the real thread of the fabricating process. 2nd race of this season my synchro for 3rd went out. The common problem with the 3650. We first tried to convert it over to a crash box but the factory sliders could not handle it and ended up rounding over the teeth of the slider. I was originally going to buy the TSB rebuild kit from D&D Performance, but after talking with my dad he said we could do something for way less than what the kit was and make it last longer than another synchro setup. Here are some of the pics in the works. Now mind you the car is more of a track car now than anything so streetability isnt a huge concern. Machined the synchro teeth off the gears and machined that area down to 3" for the new pieces to shrink on and get welded to. Dog rings are being machined out of 8620 so everything can be heat treated once finished. Here are a few pics of the dog rings This is the side that will go onto the sliders. And this is the style that will be on the gears once finished We are going to make a new slider for 3-4 out of a thicker piece of material instead of mating 3 pieces together With the centers cut out of the new dog rings, they are ready to be shrunk and welded to the gears. Once welded I can face them off and then send them out for heat treating. Next is to start working on the new 3-4 gear slider \ The lugs are back cut 5* to help stay in gear under acceleration I will post more pics when i get more machining done. This afternoon I will be butting the back cut into the teeth so they wont pop out of gear when Update: 1-2 slider- needs to be welded yet and back cut put on the teeth but it is shrunk onto the factory slider. __________________ MM Bracket Racing Crew Co-Founder ~Its a Drag Car, Not a Show Car~ LINK-->Custom Race Transmission Build<--LINK Last edited by F8L GT; December 28th, 2010 at 05:49 PM.

June 10th, 2010, 04:06 AM	#2
MATT02GT The Mean Green Join Date: May 2007 Location: Colo. Springs, CO Posts: 4,164 iTrader: 1 reviews	Pretty crazy man, cudos on the custom fab work __________________ Its not how fast you drive, but how you drive fast. 2002 Mustang GT... Just The Usual Bolt-Ons Bolt on list in Garage..

June 10th, 2010, 09:35 AM	#3
Lefty Resident DJ '01 Cobra Vert. Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Mechanicsburg, PA Posts: 28,699 iTrader: 12 reviews	That's sexytime right there; nice job. __________________ 2008 Acura TL Type-S (the daily) 2006 Yamaha R6 50th Anniversary Edition (the other toy)

June 10th, 2010, 10:07 AM	#4
dcook_14 Banned 2004 Mustang GT 12.35@114.08 w/ 1.88 60' Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Waterloo, IA Posts: 7,015 Blog Entries: 2 iTrader: 7 reviews	Looking great F8L, I wish I had all that machinery so I could custom fab parts like that! __________________ Do the Right Thing, Cook. ~Zip.

June 10th, 2010, 10:30 AM	#5
zinc-vert02 Bringing Yellow Back 2002 mustang gt 12.2 at 117 Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: WISCONSIN Posts: 9,965 iTrader: 1 reviews	that is freaking awsome! __________________ SOON TO BE 5.4 3V POWERD WITH A ROUSH CHARGER HELPING IT BAMA Performance Drag Team Member #4

June 10th, 2010, 03:05 PM	#6
tbirdscwd MM Fanatic 2004 Mustang GT 12.88 @ 109.45 N/A Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Davis, CA Posts: 3,417 iTrader: -1 reviews	Damn nice, when are you gonna strt selling a kit? First customer right here if it works on your car!!! __________________ Fun: 2004 Mustang GT DD: 1994 Ram 2500 Cummins 4x4 Borla "Stinger" Exhaust Vids

June 20th, 2010, 03:50 PM	#7
F8L GT !FACEPLATED! 2002 Mustang GT 7.84 @ 86.01 Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Upper Michigan Posts: 12,917 iTrader: 13 reviews	Haha, no kits lol. Update on first post __________________ MM Bracket Racing Crew Co-Founder ~Its a Drag Car, Not a Show Car~ LINK-->Custom Race Transmission Build<--LINK

June 20th, 2010, 03:56 PM	#8
BakerFX4 I Post Entirely Way Too Much Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Louisiana Posts: 16,251 iTrader: 14 reviews	F8L... you must be pretty comfortable in the money category. __________________ 4.75 MMR 900se Livernois ported heads HP 292s blower cams Procharger D1sc at 20+ psi IW 15% OD pulley (and more bolt ons) E85 Tune/numbers coming shortly!!

June 20th, 2010, 03:57 PM	#9
F8L GT !FACEPLATED! 2002 Mustang GT 7.84 @ 86.01 Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Upper Michigan Posts: 12,917 iTrader: 13 reviews	hell no, thats why i have to make everything instead of buying a face plated tko600 like i want __________________ MM Bracket Racing Crew Co-Founder ~Its a Drag Car, Not a Show Car~ LINK-->Custom Race Transmission Build<--LINK

June 20th, 2010, 05:41 PM	#10
PapaSmurf Hardcore Enthusiast 2003 Mustang GT 12.28 @ 116 Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Chesapeake, VA Posts: 2,554 iTrader: 13 reviews	awesome work Michael __________________ 2003 Sonic Blue GT---SLP Longtubes, SLP X, Magnaflow Magnapack CB, 75mm TB/Plenum, MP2 Performance stage 2 heads, MHS Stage 3R cams, Built rear w/4.30's

June 20th, 2010, 10:56 PM	#11
3sportbob Enthusiast MY OTHER RIDE IS YOUR MOM Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Holland, MI Posts: 576 iTrader: 0 reviews	Did you get it back from the heat treating yet? I lost track of where you were. __________________ “I Saw Elvis at 1000 Feet” "I was doing fine until about mid-corner when I ran out of talent."

June 20th, 2010, 10:57 PM	#12
F8L GT !FACEPLATED! 2002 Mustang GT 7.84 @ 86.01 Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Upper Michigan Posts: 12,917 iTrader: 13 reviews	no, still machining __________________ MM Bracket Racing Crew Co-Founder ~Its a Drag Car, Not a Show Car~ LINK-->Custom Race Transmission Build<--LINK

June 30th, 2010, 01:33 PM	#13
F8L GT !FACEPLATED! 2002 Mustang GT 7.84 @ 86.01 Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Upper Michigan Posts: 12,917 iTrader: 13 reviews	havent been able to work on it for a while. been working 70-80 hour weeks. Finally started to work on the 3-4 slider. Should have that done by the end of the weekend. Pics will be up as soon as i get it machined __________________ MM Bracket Racing Crew Co-Founder ~Its a Drag Car, Not a Show Car~ LINK-->Custom Race Transmission Build<--LINK

June 30th, 2010, 01:50 PM	#14
M.P. Cobra Fan It's in the details Mod! 01 Cobra Vert Nov 09/10 ROTM! Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Ft Stewart/Naples/Hampton/Tampa Posts: 11,013 iTrader: 1 reviews	That is fucking awesome man. I wish you lived near me. I would have you working your ass off! For money of course. __________________ Pinup in signature by loish.net Modded Mustangs Cobra Club#007 Military Crew E5 VOTED MM's BEST SIGNATURE 2010. THANKS STANGGTR07

August 1st, 2010, 10:10 PM	#15
F8L GT !FACEPLATED! 2002 Mustang GT 7.84 @ 86.01 Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Upper Michigan Posts: 12,917 iTrader: 13 reviews	Its been a while but heres a quick update. 1-2 slider is finished and ready to be heat treated. 3-4 slider is almost finished, Just need to spline the ID and then cut the groove for the shift fork. __________________ MM Bracket Racing Crew Co-Founder ~Its a Drag Car, Not a Show Car~ LINK-->Custom Race Transmission Build<--LINK Last edited by F8L GT; December 28th, 2010 at 05:50 PM.

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August 2nd, 2010, 02:44 PM	#16
F8L GT !FACEPLATED! 2002 Mustang GT 7.84 @ 86.01 Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Upper Michigan Posts: 12,917 iTrader: 13 reviews	Fresh out of the oven __________________ MM Bracket Racing Crew Co-Founder ~Its a Drag Car, Not a Show Car~ LINK-->Custom Race Transmission Build<--LINK Last edited by F8L GT; December 28th, 2010 at 05:50 PM.

August 2nd, 2010, 07:44 PM	#17
MikeJones Hardcore Enthusiast 2002 Mustang GT 13.7@103 Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Stoon, Saskatchewan Posts: 2,913 iTrader: 0 reviews	haha literally. I see you bread cutting board. __________________ Mod6 Bigbore Kooks (parting out 2v motor) N/A 5.3 4v Build http://www.moddedmustangs.com/forums...ing-build.html

August 2nd, 2010, 08:05 PM	#18
Ross@TXCW Regular Join Date: May 2010 Location: Tyler,TX Posts: 64 iTrader: 0 reviews	haha. u didnt "heat treat" that in your oven did u? what RC did u get it up to? Last edited by F8L GT; August 2nd, 2010 at 08:10 PM.

August 2nd, 2010, 08:21 PM	#20
Ross@TXCW Regular Join Date: May 2010 Location: Tyler,TX Posts: 64 iTrader: 0 reviews	oh ok. makes since now. we do quiet a bit of heat treating at our shop.

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