[I8ACMRO]

I was looking around Lakewood's website and noticed their Traction Action Lift Bar Kit. Here is the link to the product on Summit...

Lakewood Suspension 21901 - Lakewood Traction Action Lift Bar Kits - Overview - SummitRacing.com

Has anyone used it? Would this help way better w/ launches (ie drag) then say BMR lca's?

[I8ACMRO]

No one seriously?

[jonwrong]

Dude, not to be mean or rant at you. But I am sooo tired of people posting non-descriptive titled threads with questions. Then they look at the view count and cannot understand why people haven't responded. Probably for the same reason as me. I clicked in b/c I had no idea what you'd be asking, and then I realized I cannot help you. It also makes it DIFFICULT to search threads for answers instead of posting new ones asking the same questions over and over.

Try posting a title that will attract the people that can help you.

[I8ACMRO]

Originally Posted by jonwrong Dude, not to be mean or rant at you. But I am sooo tired of people posting non-descriptive titled threads with questions. Then they look at the view count and cannot understand why people haven't responded. Probably for the same reason as me. I clicked in b/c I had no idea what you'd be asking, and then I realized I cannot help you. It also makes it DIFFICULT to search threads for answers instead of posting new ones asking the same questions over and over. Try posting a title that will attract the people that can help you.

Looking at what I've posted is pretty simple actually. I basically just wanna know whether or not spending the money on these would be beneficial for drag racing to have optimal LCA placement. That's all I wanted to know.

[2011GT1979]

I have no experience with those specific LCA's.. But, I have always used BMR, UMI, and so on with great results.

[jonwrong]

Originally Posted by I8ACMRO Looking at what I've posted is pretty simple actually. I basically just wanna know whether or not spending the money on these would be beneficial for drag racing to have optimal LCA placement. That's all I wanted to know.

I understand. But like you, I don't know. And I'm sure others who clicked on your thread did not know. I'm just saying, don't post a non-descriptive title and be upset when people don't respond. If it's so simple, why even ask?

[I8ACMRO]

Originally Posted by 2011GT1979 I have no experience with those specific LCA's.. But, I have always used BMR, UMI, and so on with great results.

Ok thanks. I have the BMR LCA's now, not installed yet though, and that's why I was wondering about the Lakewoods. Most people here know that I'm setting the car up for drag, and there was another thread that talked about LCA bolt placement, in which it was told that the front LCA bolt needed to be higher then the rear bolt. With these I'm assuming that they would remedy this on a lowered Mustang for drag racing purposes. If so, I wouldn't mind selling my BMR LCA's for the Lakewoods.

[ModMustang97GT]

I'm curious where you heard that information about the LCA bolts. Looking at this, I would be worried about several things.

1. You are moving the focus point or center of rotation in your car back with this.
2. You are weakening the stock mounting on the axle side of the LCA with these.

I'm not sure how it is supposedly working. I'm sure the logic is that you are generating a greater amount of leverage on the chassis, so the amount of squat created by axle wind up will be less. However, the issue still exists, and worse, this may actually multiply the effect for the worse. I would have to really think about it to figure out exactly what all is going on in the suspension with this change of geometry. Off the top of my head, I believe you would be making the axle wind up WAY WORSE.

Take a look at most drag racer custom 4 links. The 4 links are all parallel, this makes it so that the axle has 0 wind up and transfers all of the energy to the chassis. In the mustang 4 link, there was not enough space for that, so they opted for the current set up, the result is an OK set up that excells at nothing. There are a couple of options for the really hard core drag strip racer and they all involve getting rid of the UCA with either a 5 link setup or a 3 link set up. There is no kit to my knowledge that actually changes the geometry of the 4 link for the better in drag racing.

Though I remember 1 kit that someone on the forum is installing soon or just installed that was supposed to be good. They are the first person I know of that is trying it, so I'm curious what they have to say about it. I'll look around for who it was.

[I8ACMRO]

Originally Posted by ModMustang97GT I'm curious where you heard that information about the LCA bolts. Looking at this, I would be worried about several things. 1. You are moving the focus point or center of rotation in your car back with this. 2. You are weakening the stock mounting on the axle side of the LCA with these. I'm not sure how it is supposedly working. I'm sure the logic is that you are generating a greater amount of leverage on the chassis, so the amount of squat created by axle wind up will be less. However, the issue still exists, and worse, this may actually multiply the effect for the worse. I would have to really think about it to figure out exactly what all is going on in the suspension with this change of geometry. Off the top of my head, I believe you would be making the axle wind up WAY WORSE. Take a look at most drag racer custom 4 links. The 4 links are all parallel, this makes it so that the axle has 0 wind up and transfers all of the energy to the chassis. In the mustang 4 link, there was not enough space for that, so they opted for the current set up, the result is an OK set up that excells at nothing. There are a couple of options for the really hard core drag strip racer and they all involve getting rid of the UCA with either a 5 link setup or a 3 link set up. There is no kit to my knowledge that actually changes the geometry of the 4 link for the better in drag racing. Though I remember 1 kit that someone on the forum is installing soon or just installed that was supposed to be good. They are the first person I know of that is trying it, so I'm curious what they have to say about it. I'll look around for who it was.

This is where I'm getting my info from on the LCA bolts

Chassis Setup for Baseline Suspensions UCA Kit

The guy you are thinking of is most likely tbird. He recently got the Team Z UCA's.

EDIT: wouldn't the new LCA's act just like the S197 suspensions that run LCA relocation brackets?

[stal94gt]

i have those on my car and they provide alot of lift on the front. i had to pull my front sway bar off and i really did not notice a big help till i laid down some serous power. some drawbacks to them are that they will wreck your torqe boxes if they are not welded up with supports added to them. also you need to weld your axle tubes and put a good set of full body subframes on. on a mostly stock car that is a dd i would say no cause they handle a little real loose and body role is pretty bad with them

[ModMustang97GT]

Yeah, I would definitely look into the more well known companies before trusting a stupid little java applet from some no name.

Take a look at Steeda and Maximum Motorsports. There is a reason that none of the big companies have not done this. If it was as easy as they make it look to fix the problem, they would all do it.

[stal94gt]

Originally Posted by ModMustang97GT Yeah, I would definitely look into the more well known companies before trusting a stupid little java applet from some no name. Take a look at Steeda and Maximum Motorsports. There is a reason that none of the big companies have not done this. If it was as easy as they make it look to fix the problem, they would all do it.

not to be rude but are you trying to say lake wood is a no name company? cause they are bigger than any of the companys you just listed and have been around for years proving that there parts work day in and day out. now about the control arms it is a different story yes i have them and many other companys have c/a's like them hell frpp sells a set.

[MikeJones]

Maybe its cause lakewoods LCA's are only for straight. while steeda and mm have theres designed to do either or both.

[I8ACMRO]

Originally Posted by ModMustang97GT Yeah, I would definitely look into the more well known companies before trusting a stupid little java applet from some no name. Take a look at Steeda and Maximum Motorsports. There is a reason that none of the big companies have not done this. If it was as easy as they make it look to fix the problem, they would all do it.

You must've missed where I said "I have BMR LCA's, just not installed yet, but may sell them for the Lakewood LCA's."

[stal94gt]

Originally Posted by I8ACMRO You must've missed where I said "I have BMR LCA's, just not installed yet, but may sell them for the Lakewood LCA's."

sorry man. every one has there opinion about suspention but the biggest gain is in the tires. the lake woods do great at pulling the front end up nice and high and such but the draw back is daily driving kind of stinks. slow take off make the rear end lift up real high and the car can buck real bad

[I8ACMRO]

Originally Posted by stal94gt sorry man. every one has there opinion about suspention but the biggest gain is in the tires. the lake woods do great at pulling the front end up nice and high and such but the draw back is daily driving kind of stinks. slow take off make the rear end lift up real high and the car can buck real bad

Ah I see. Thanks bro. This is the kind of post I was looking for. Maybe I'll switch to the Lakewoods down the road when I don't DD the GT anymore.

[DickH]

The lakewood control arms relocate the mount point so it brings your IC back so when you get weight transfer your car pushes down on the tires more so than letting the rear suspension absorb the weight. Those control arms would work great for drag however as mentioned put more stress on your torque boxes. A different choice that doesnt stress your torque boxes as much would be to get relocated uppers like what baseline or teamz offers. Honestly for the money you could get your torque boxes welded and be fine with the lakewood lowers.

[I8ACMRO]

Originally Posted by DickH The lakewood control arms relocate the mount point so it brings your IC back so when you get weight transfer your car pushes down on the tires more so than letting the rear suspension absorb the weight. Those control arms would work great for drag however as mentioned put more stress on your torque boxes. A different choice that doesnt stress your torque boxes as much would be to get relocated uppers like what baseline or teamz offers. Honestly for the money you could get your torque boxes welded and be fine with the lakewood lowers.

Ok cool. I'm planning on saving for some lower torque box reinforcements now. I think I'll just stick w/ my BMR's for now, and get the Lakewoods once I get a real DD...

[DickH]

I drove around without sway bar and with a rear susension setup that gave similar suspension geometry without problems for almost a year, go ahead and get them and have your torque boxes welded.

[stal94gt]

oh you have to get ajustable uppers to run the lake woods other wise you will get axle binde if your pinion is not set right. i have mine set at -2 degrees.