VT/CMS Stage II blower cams questions

hardhitter · June 25th, 2010, 03:59 PM

Does anyone know the "rpm range" for these cams? Also how much power could I potentially be losing by not degreeing them?

moosenuk17 · June 25th, 2010, 04:04 PM

dont know how much you would lose.. but all i can say is that i love them...nice idle and couldnt be happier with a stage 2 cam, i noticed the most in the 3000-5000 range of course but thats for any 4.6 motor.

hardhitter · June 25th, 2010, 04:23 PM

I just didn't really notice much of an increase in power after putting them in but I didn't degree them. I have a RR intake manifold so there's not much point in having it if these aren't a high rpm cam.

Scott2001GT · June 25th, 2010, 04:47 PM

i would do 2.5 or stage 3

hardhitter · June 25th, 2010, 05:27 PM

I already have them installed so it's too late for that

BakerFX4 · June 25th, 2010, 05:57 PM

or you could just sell the intake to me.

stal94gt · June 25th, 2010, 06:05 PM

you should degree them. didnt it come with a card with how they should be degreed. alot of the issue with running cams that push the limmit is if they are not degreed right you could have ptv issues.

stal94gt · June 25th, 2010, 06:07 PM

fyi if you retard them you will have more gains at the higher rpm range and you gain more ptv clearence

hardhitter · June 25th, 2010, 06:09 PM

Originally Posted by BakerFX4

or you could just sell the intake to me.

Haha I'm thinking about it. I'm just not sure if I'm making more power with it or without it.

Originally Posted by stal94gt

you should degree them. didnt it come with a card with how they should be degreed. alot of the issue with running cams that push the limmit is if they are not degreed right you could have ptv issues.

The card says degree intake lobe to 116. I was told that I could put them in without degreeing them and since I didn't have the tools to degree or really understand how to do it that's what I did.

stal94gt · June 25th, 2010, 06:16 PM

honestly degreeing them is important, the sprockets ford makes are never identical that is why it is required to degree them. that is not to mention that the keyway on the new cams have been known to be off. the issue then comes up to now your driver side cam could be advanced and your passenger side cam could be retarded back and now your banks are way off robbing hp. if you dont have the tools or the means of degreeing them ship them off to modularheadshop and for 130 bucks he will degree them and send you ajustible sprockets for the crank for 50 bucks so they will be spot on. i talked to him and he said the most his cams have been off is 1 degree due to different motors but that is a pretty small amount in comparison to how far you could be off.

hardhitter · June 25th, 2010, 06:24 PM

Originally Posted by stal94gt

honestly degreeing them is important, the sprockets ford makes are never identical that is why it is required to degree them. that is not to mention that the keyway on the new cams have been known to be off. the issue then comes up to now your driver side cam could be advanced and your passenger side cam could be retarded back and now your banks are way off robbing hp. if you dont have the tools or the means of degreeing them ship them off to modularheadshop and for 130 bucks he will degree them and send you ajustible sprockets for the crank for 50 bucks so they will be spot on. i talked to him and he said the most his cams have been off is 1 degree due to different motors but that is a pretty small amount in comparison to how far you could be off.

I had press on gears so I had to just guess that the marks on the gears were the same and lined it up like that so who knows how far it is off. Just the thought of removing all that crap again just to degree them doesn't seem like fun. It took me 3 hours to get the power steering pump off last time and about the same amount of time to get it back on.

stal94gt · June 25th, 2010, 06:30 PM

best advice i can give is call nick at modular head shop. the guy knows his stuff cause i had issues figuring out the best way to install cams and the tools to do it cost almost as much as he will charge. that is not to mention it is pretty difficult to do it in the first place. nick has a moc up motor so he can get it perfect for you. it is worth it to do this right who knows you may have already messed something up if you have ptv issues due to not having your pistons knotched

hardhitter · June 25th, 2010, 06:37 PM

Originally Posted by stal94gt

best advice i can give is call nick at modular head shop. the guy knows his stuff cause i had issues figuring out the best way to install cams and the tools to do it cost almost as much as he will charge. that is not to mention it is pretty difficult to do it in the first place. nick has a moc up motor so he can get it perfect for you. it is worth it to do this right who knows you may have already messed something up if you have ptv issues due to not having your pistons knotched

Other people with these cams were telling me they dropped them straight in without any issues. I made sure I rotated the engine by hand to make sure there was no ptv contact. So you think I should take it all back apart again?

stal94gt · June 25th, 2010, 06:42 PM

its up to you man its your car. but honestly just drop in cams really dont exist, that is why your cams came with a card and i have looked at your set up and you have alot of good stuff and alot of money sunk into it. why not get it right, why leave power to be had, worse case would be learn how to do it your self, alot of people do it and get it right.

stal94gt · June 25th, 2010, 06:47 PM

i was also meaning to ask if your car was tuned to run them yet. if not i would not get on your car just yet. adding cams changes your tune quite a bit and should be taken easy since you are fi

Scott2001GT · June 25th, 2010, 06:53 PM

my friend with a 05 GT did Comp Stage 3 cams SPR cams with not degreeing them. Made 358rwhp and 334rwtq...no ptv issues

hardhitter · June 25th, 2010, 07:03 PM

So to degree them I don't need adjustable gears right?

BakerFX4 · June 25th, 2010, 07:07 PM

to be honest with you man, i would NOT take it apart and do it again. The slight degreeing is going to yeild slight results if any IMO. I know its good to do but in your case... hell naw. Just my opinion man. Definitely not worth tearing back down for the minimal gains.

BakerFX4 · June 25th, 2010, 07:09 PM

and adj, cam gears have caused bad things to happen for a few people. Not alot of fans of them out there.

hardhitter · June 25th, 2010, 07:15 PM

I know that there are some bad adjustable gears but there are some high quality ones too that can't have problems like the cheaper ones.

June 25th, 2010, 03:59 PM	#1
hardhitter MM Fanatic 1999 Mustang GT Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 3,623 iTrader: 1 reviews	VT/CMS Stage II blower cams questions Does anyone know the "rpm range" for these cams? Also how much power could I potentially be losing by not degreeing them? __________________ Vortech V2 Si

June 25th, 2010, 04:04 PM	#2
moosenuk17 MM Fanatic 2000 ford mustang GT Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: san diego CA Posts: 4,011 iTrader: 0 reviews	dont know how much you would lose.. but all i can say is that i love them...nice idle and couldnt be happier with a stage 2 cam, i noticed the most in the 3000-5000 range of course but thats for any 4.6 motor. __________________ 2000 kenne bell GT (440HP-432TQ) Tuned by Joe at http://www.tricktuners.com dyno vid:http://youtu.be/lr3xpxw2_v8 2011 escape MUSTANG TAT CREW

June 25th, 2010, 04:23 PM	#3
hardhitter MM Fanatic 1999 Mustang GT Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 3,623 iTrader: 1 reviews	I just didn't really notice much of an increase in power after putting them in but I didn't degree them. I have a RR intake manifold so there's not much point in having it if these aren't a high rpm cam. __________________ Vortech V2 Si

June 25th, 2010, 04:47 PM	#4
Scott2001GT BYAHHHH! 2001 Mustang GT 13.874 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Missouri Posts: 14,793 Blog Entries: 1 iTrader: 3 reviews	i would do 2.5 or stage 3 __________________ Precision Turbo\|TurboSmart\|TeamZ\|Strange\|Hellion\|BBK\|SCT\|Edge Converters\|Fairbanks\|CG Fabrications\|Treadstone

June 25th, 2010, 05:27 PM	#5
hardhitter MM Fanatic 1999 Mustang GT Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 3,623 iTrader: 1 reviews	I already have them installed so it's too late for that __________________ Vortech V2 Si

June 25th, 2010, 05:57 PM	#6
BakerFX4 I Post Entirely Way Too Much Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Louisiana Posts: 16,251 iTrader: 14 reviews	or you could just sell the intake to me. __________________ 4.75 MMR 900se Livernois ported heads HP 292s blower cams Procharger D1sc at 20+ psi IW 15% OD pulley (and more bolt ons) E85 Tune/numbers coming shortly!!

June 25th, 2010, 06:05 PM	#7
stal94gt I Post Entirely Way Too Much 2003 mustang v6 ;) slow Join Date: May 2010 Location: eglin afb florida Posts: 10,197 iTrader: 2 reviews	you should degree them. didnt it come with a card with how they should be degreed. alot of the issue with running cams that push the limmit is if they are not degreed right you could have ptv issues.

June 25th, 2010, 06:07 PM	#8
stal94gt I Post Entirely Way Too Much 2003 mustang v6 ;) slow Join Date: May 2010 Location: eglin afb florida Posts: 10,197 iTrader: 2 reviews	fyi if you retard them you will have more gains at the higher rpm range and you gain more ptv clearence

June 25th, 2010, 06:16 PM	#10
stal94gt I Post Entirely Way Too Much 2003 mustang v6 ;) slow Join Date: May 2010 Location: eglin afb florida Posts: 10,197 iTrader: 2 reviews	honestly degreeing them is important, the sprockets ford makes are never identical that is why it is required to degree them. that is not to mention that the keyway on the new cams have been known to be off. the issue then comes up to now your driver side cam could be advanced and your passenger side cam could be retarded back and now your banks are way off robbing hp. if you dont have the tools or the means of degreeing them ship them off to modularheadshop and for 130 bucks he will degree them and send you ajustible sprockets for the crank for 50 bucks so they will be spot on. i talked to him and he said the most his cams have been off is 1 degree due to different motors but that is a pretty small amount in comparison to how far you could be off.

June 25th, 2010, 06:30 PM	#12
stal94gt I Post Entirely Way Too Much 2003 mustang v6 ;) slow Join Date: May 2010 Location: eglin afb florida Posts: 10,197 iTrader: 2 reviews	best advice i can give is call nick at modular head shop. the guy knows his stuff cause i had issues figuring out the best way to install cams and the tools to do it cost almost as much as he will charge. that is not to mention it is pretty difficult to do it in the first place. nick has a moc up motor so he can get it perfect for you. it is worth it to do this right who knows you may have already messed something up if you have ptv issues due to not having your pistons knotched

June 25th, 2010, 06:42 PM	#14
stal94gt I Post Entirely Way Too Much 2003 mustang v6 ;) slow Join Date: May 2010 Location: eglin afb florida Posts: 10,197 iTrader: 2 reviews	its up to you man its your car. but honestly just drop in cams really dont exist, that is why your cams came with a card and i have looked at your set up and you have alot of good stuff and alot of money sunk into it. why not get it right, why leave power to be had, worse case would be learn how to do it your self, alot of people do it and get it right.

June 25th, 2010, 06:47 PM	#15
stal94gt I Post Entirely Way Too Much 2003 mustang v6 ;) slow Join Date: May 2010 Location: eglin afb florida Posts: 10,197 iTrader: 2 reviews	i was also meaning to ask if your car was tuned to run them yet. if not i would not get on your car just yet. adding cams changes your tune quite a bit and should be taken easy since you are fi

June 25th, 2010, 06:53 PM	#16
Scott2001GT BYAHHHH! 2001 Mustang GT 13.874 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Missouri Posts: 14,793 Blog Entries: 1 iTrader: 3 reviews	my friend with a 05 GT did Comp Stage 3 cams SPR cams with not degreeing them. Made 358rwhp and 334rwtq...no ptv issues __________________ Precision Turbo\|TurboSmart\|TeamZ\|Strange\|Hellion\|BBK\|SCT\|Edge Converters\|Fairbanks\|CG Fabrications\|Treadstone

June 25th, 2010, 07:03 PM	#17
hardhitter MM Fanatic 1999 Mustang GT Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 3,623 iTrader: 1 reviews	So to degree them I don't need adjustable gears right? __________________ Vortech V2 Si

June 25th, 2010, 07:07 PM	#18
BakerFX4 I Post Entirely Way Too Much Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Louisiana Posts: 16,251 iTrader: 14 reviews	to be honest with you man, i would NOT take it apart and do it again. The slight degreeing is going to yeild slight results if any IMO. I know its good to do but in your case... hell naw. Just my opinion man. Definitely not worth tearing back down for the minimal gains. __________________ 4.75 MMR 900se Livernois ported heads HP 292s blower cams Procharger D1sc at 20+ psi IW 15% OD pulley (and more bolt ons) E85 Tune/numbers coming shortly!!

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June 25th, 2010, 07:09 PM	#19
BakerFX4 I Post Entirely Way Too Much Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Louisiana Posts: 16,251 iTrader: 14 reviews	and adj, cam gears have caused bad things to happen for a few people. Not alot of fans of them out there. __________________ 4.75 MMR 900se Livernois ported heads HP 292s blower cams Procharger D1sc at 20+ psi IW 15% OD pulley (and more bolt ons) E85 Tune/numbers coming shortly!!

June 25th, 2010, 07:15 PM	#20
hardhitter MM Fanatic 1999 Mustang GT Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 3,623 iTrader: 1 reviews	I know that there are some bad adjustable gears but there are some high quality ones too that can't have problems like the cheaper ones. __________________ Vortech V2 Si

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