Noob has Cobra questions.. lol

whtpny · March 24th, 2007, 11:39 PM

What are the big visual and performance differences between say a 2001 Cobra and an 03/04 Cobra.. besides the couple of things ive noticed or know being the front fascia and the Eaton blower.. I'm wondering because I'm calculating my best step forward with my Stang.. I've pretty much came to the conclusion that its almost dumb to mod my six as much as i had planned because id end up spending near 30grand for cost of car + mods.. :-/.. i know i want a Cobra sooner or later.. just trying to understand the differences between the two eras.. I could probably figure it out myself but i know next to nothing about cars.. ne help would be great, thanx!

Drgnracin72 · March 24th, 2007, 11:42 PM

the 01 cobra motor doesnt have a forged engine and wont support the power the 03-04 will stock. the bumpers are different, front and back, different boddy enhancments. the 03-04 has a forged motor and the superchager about 70 more hp and the different body parts. both have irs rear setups

MustangMatt96GT · March 24th, 2007, 11:46 PM

Different front facia, Different hood, different wing, and that is about all for the outside, and in the engine, you can tell. And the interiors are basically the same except the 2003-2004s have some a pillar gauges( boost and something else). The 03-04 is a much better platform, because it has forged internals unlike the 01. Not to mention the blowers performance! Both have an indendent rear suspension, and are fun cars. Go with the Terminator if you want the best!

whtpny · March 24th, 2007, 11:46 PM

would it be worth it to try and get an 01 w/ 70k on it? how much would it cost to forge internals and what kinda power could i expect out of it either way? if i get a cobra i definitely want it to be tough and powerful.. to match the badass appeal that accompanies the cobra name, haha

whtpny · March 24th, 2007, 11:48 PM

Originally Posted by MustangMatt96GT

Different front facia, Different hood, different wing, and that is about all for the outside, and in the engine, you can tell. And the interiors are basically the same except the 2003-2004s have some a pillar gauges( boost and something else). The 03-04 is a much better platform, because it has forged internals unlike the 01. Not to mention the blowers performance! Both have an indendent rear suspension, and are fun cars. Go with the Terminator if you want the best!

yeah the Terminator is my dream.. but i dont think i can afford it right now.. i have just at 7k left to pay on my sixer but i feel like im wasting my money because i know what i want.. and thats not an 02 laser red sixer.. lol

neckbonekat · March 24th, 2007, 11:55 PM

Originally Posted by whtpny

Originally Posted by MustangMatt96GT

Different front facia, Different hood, different wing, and that is about all for the outside, and in the engine, you can tell. And the interiors are basically the same except the 2003-2004s have some a pillar gauges( boost and something else). The 03-04 is a much better platform, because it has forged internals unlike the 01. Not to mention the blowers performance! Both have an indendent rear suspension, and are fun cars. Go with the Terminator if you want the best!

yeah the Terminator is my dream.. but i dont think i can afford it right now.. i have just at 7k left to pay on my sixer but i feel like im wasting my money because i know what i want.. and thats not an 02 laser red sixer.. lol

Been there done that. Traded in my V6 for a GT Bullitt. Didn't even own my V6 for a year. I should have listened to my friend when he told me the power is addictive. LOL

Drgnracin72 · March 24th, 2007, 11:55 PM

the 03-04 cobras do not have any gauges on the a-pillar

whtpny · March 24th, 2007, 11:57 PM

Originally Posted by neckbonekat

Originally Posted by whtpny

Originally Posted by MustangMatt96GT

Different front facia, Different hood, different wing, and that is about all for the outside, and in the engine, you can tell. And the interiors are basically the same except the 2003-2004s have some a pillar gauges( boost and something else). The 03-04 is a much better platform, because it has forged internals unlike the 01. Not to mention the blowers performance! Both have an indendent rear suspension, and are fun cars. Go with the Terminator if you want the best!

yeah the Terminator is my dream.. but i dont think i can afford it right now.. i have just at 7k left to pay on my sixer but i feel like im wasting my money because i know what i want.. and thats not an 02 laser red sixer.. lol

Been there done that. Traded in my V6 for a GT Bullitt. Didn't even own my V6 for a year. I should have listened to my friend when he told me the power is addictive. LOL

lol seriously man.. gah.. i feel like an idiot for it now, haha.. i just thought id mod a six because itd be cheaper on insurance.. well lately ive been checking around on changing insurance and one place quoted me only 70 dollars more a month to drive an 03 cobra vs my 02 sixer.. so all my ideas were shot to hell, hahaha

MustangMatt96GT · March 25th, 2007, 12:03 AM

It will cost more to make the 01 like a 03/04, but if thats what funds allow then do it. The cost of forged internals is around 2000-3000 w/o installation. Then you can run your blower of choice. The eaton blower that is on the terminator, is not that great I think it is a M90 (that might be what is on the new shelby). Both will be a big step up from a 6er!

whtpny · March 25th, 2007, 12:08 AM

Originally Posted by MustangMatt96GT

It will cost more to make the 01 like a 03/04, but if thats what funds allow then do it. The cost of forged internals is around 2000-3000 w/o installation. Then you can run your blower of choice. The eaton blower that is on the terminator, is not that great I think it is a M90 (that might be what is on the new shelby). Both will be a big step up from a 6er!

the m112 is from the cobra the m90 is from the thunderbird supercoupe.. i think.. what about maybe doing what neckbonekat did and finding a decently priced nice gt with not very high miles and trading in and work on it some till i get a cobra.. i believe ive read that stock gts are good on stock internals up to 400ish hp?

MustangMatt96GT · March 25th, 2007, 12:09 AM

O and drgn, all the Terminators I have seen have had 2 gauges on the a-pillar. Also I think it said something like this in the book Iron Fist Lead Foot! Great read for any one, and WHTPNY I suggest you read it. Very informative!!

MustangMatt96GT · March 25th, 2007, 12:12 AM

I new it was the m112 or the m90 lol. But I think that you would be happy with a GT. It will be cheaper, and it will take well to mods as well. You also might want to look into the 96-98 cobras, because they have the 4V in them and can be bought for about the same amount as the 02+ GTs!

neckbonekat · March 25th, 2007, 12:12 AM

Originally Posted by whtpny

Originally Posted by neckbonekat

Originally Posted by whtpny

Originally Posted by MustangMatt96GT

Different front facia, Different hood, different wing, and that is about all for the outside, and in the engine, you can tell. And the interiors are basically the same except the 2003-2004s have some a pillar gauges( boost and something else). The 03-04 is a much better platform, because it has forged internals unlike the 01. Not to mention the blowers performance! Both have an indendent rear suspension, and are fun cars. Go with the Terminator if you want the best!

yeah the Terminator is my dream.. but i dont think i can afford it right now.. i have just at 7k left to pay on my sixer but i feel like im wasting my money because i know what i want.. and thats not an 02 laser red sixer.. lol

Been there done that. Traded in my V6 for a GT Bullitt. Didn't even own my V6 for a year. I should have listened to my friend when he told me the power is addictive. LOL

lol seriously man.. gah.. i feel like an idiot for it now, haha.. i just thought id mod a six because itd be cheaper on insurance.. well lately ive been checking around on changing insurance and one place quoted me only 70 dollars more a month to drive an 03 cobra vs my 02 sixer.. so all my ideas were shot to hell, hahaha

Yeah I was going to mod my six, but then I thought why? It's like starting a race behind and spending your money just to catch up to everyone else. I didn't see the point when I could get a GT and start from there. Don't worry I felt like a big dummy to, especially since I have a friend is a Mustang lover and he told me not to bother with a V6 or an automatic. I bought both. LOL

PS - When I traded my '04 V6 for my '01 Bullitt my insurance actually went down. Search autotrader or ebay for a babied GT. There are plenty of them out there.

whtpny · March 25th, 2007, 12:33 AM

Originally Posted by neckbonekat

Originally Posted by whtpny

Originally Posted by neckbonekat

Originally Posted by whtpny

Originally Posted by MustangMatt96GT

Different front facia, Different hood, different wing, and that is about all for the outside, and in the engine, you can tell. And the interiors are basically the same except the 2003-2004s have some a pillar gauges( boost and something else). The 03-04 is a much better platform, because it has forged internals unlike the 01. Not to mention the blowers performance! Both have an indendent rear suspension, and are fun cars. Go with the Terminator if you want the best!

yeah the Terminator is my dream.. but i dont think i can afford it right now.. i have just at 7k left to pay on my sixer but i feel like im wasting my money because i know what i want.. and thats not an 02 laser red sixer.. lol

Been there done that. Traded in my V6 for a GT Bullitt. Didn't even own my V6 for a year. I should have listened to my friend when he told me the power is addictive. LOL

lol seriously man.. gah.. i feel like an idiot for it now, haha.. i just thought id mod a six because itd be cheaper on insurance.. well lately ive been checking around on changing insurance and one place quoted me only 70 dollars more a month to drive an 03 cobra vs my 02 sixer.. so all my ideas were shot to hell, hahaha

Yeah I was going to mod my six, but then I thought why? It's like starting a race behind and spending your money just to catch up to everyone else. I didn't see the point when I could get a GT and start from there. Don't worry I felt like a big dummy to, especially since I have a friend is a Mustang lover and he told me not to bother with a V6 or an automatic. I bought both. LOL

PS - When I traded my '04 V6 for my '01 Bullitt my insurance actually went down. Search autotrader or ebay for a babied GT. There are plenty of them out there.

alright, thanx guys.. i was about to say i think thats what ive decided to do.. it will most likely be a few months though

lol

Drgnracin72 · March 25th, 2007, 12:35 AM

all those slowbras youve seen have had aftermarket a-pillar gauges on it

bransdaman78 · March 25th, 2007, 01:12 AM

I say its better and cheaper in the long run to mod your current vehicle, but what do I know?

Drgnracin72 · March 25th, 2007, 02:00 AM

cheaper to start out with a car that allready does more and is much more capable in the long run

whtpny · March 25th, 2007, 02:28 AM

Originally Posted by drgnracin72

cheaper to start out with a car that allready does more and is much more capable in the long run

exactly what i realized about 5 hours ago, haha

Drgnracin72 · March 25th, 2007, 03:53 AM

Originally Posted by MustangMatt96GT

I new it was the m112 or the m90 lol. But I think that you would be happy with a GT. It will be cheaper, and it will take well to mods as well. You also might want to look into the 96-98 cobras, because they have the 4V in them and can be bought for about the same amount as the 02+ GTs!

those cobras have a different block, different internals and also a different head design. the sn95 cobras dont have as much potential stock for stock as the terminators do

MustangMatt96GT · March 25th, 2007, 10:26 AM

I know they dont have as much potental, but they are cheaper. And if whtpny is going to be forging the internals and tearing the engine apart any way then that route would be cheaper, because it is much cheaper than a 01 or a Terminator. Also the 99-04 GTs are around the same price as the 96-98 Cobras here in denver. What would you rather have a 2V or a 4V for the same price?

March 24th, 2007, 11:39 PM	#1
whtpny Hardcore Enthusiast 2002 Mustang GT Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Gainesville, GA Posts: 1,930 iTrader: 0 reviews	Noob has Cobra questions.. lol What are the big visual and performance differences between say a 2001 Cobra and an 03/04 Cobra.. besides the couple of things ive noticed or know being the front fascia and the Eaton blower.. I'm wondering because I'm calculating my best step forward with my Stang.. I've pretty much came to the conclusion that its almost dumb to mod my six as much as i had planned because id end up spending near 30grand for cost of car + mods.. :-/.. i know i want a Cobra sooner or later.. just trying to understand the differences between the two eras.. I could probably figure it out myself but i know next to nothing about cars.. ne help would be great, thanx! __________________ Mods: Fidanza Al Flywheel, Steeda UDP, EMP/Stewart Components WP, PP Plenum, K&N FIPK, Mac Prochamber, Magnapacks WhtPny's Videos

March 24th, 2007, 11:42 PM	#2
Drgnracin72 I Post Entirely Way Too Much Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: somewhere in oklahoma Posts: 10,635 iTrader: 2 reviews	the 01 cobra motor doesnt have a forged engine and wont support the power the 03-04 will stock. the bumpers are different, front and back, different boddy enhancments. the 03-04 has a forged motor and the superchager about 70 more hp and the different body parts. both have irs rear setups __________________ RIP ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ Political Correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical, liberal minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end. One Big Ass Mistake America SHEEPDOGS

March 24th, 2007, 11:46 PM	#3
MustangMatt96GT Proud American 1996 Mustang GT Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Lakewood, CO Posts: 10,689 iTrader: 3 reviews	Different front facia, Different hood, different wing, and that is about all for the outside, and in the engine, you can tell. And the interiors are basically the same except the 2003-2004s have some a pillar gauges( boost and something else). The 03-04 is a much better platform, because it has forged internals unlike the 01. Not to mention the blowers performance! Both have an indendent rear suspension, and are fun cars. Go with the Terminator if you want the best! __________________ RIP Travis Billings Special Thanks to: Andrews Racing Transmissions Baseline Suspensions 25.3 SFI Chassis Build Never Lift Racecars

March 24th, 2007, 11:46 PM	#4
whtpny Hardcore Enthusiast 2002 Mustang GT Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Gainesville, GA Posts: 1,930 iTrader: 0 reviews	would it be worth it to try and get an 01 w/ 70k on it? how much would it cost to forge internals and what kinda power could i expect out of it either way? if i get a cobra i definitely want it to be tough and powerful.. to match the badass appeal that accompanies the cobra name, haha __________________ Mods: Fidanza Al Flywheel, Steeda UDP, EMP/Stewart Components WP, PP Plenum, K&N FIPK, Mac Prochamber, Magnapacks WhtPny's Videos

March 24th, 2007, 11:55 PM	#7
Drgnracin72 I Post Entirely Way Too Much Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: somewhere in oklahoma Posts: 10,635 iTrader: 2 reviews	the 03-04 cobras do not have any gauges on the a-pillar __________________ RIP ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ Political Correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical, liberal minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end. One Big Ass Mistake America SHEEPDOGS

March 25th, 2007, 12:03 AM	#9
MustangMatt96GT Proud American 1996 Mustang GT Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Lakewood, CO Posts: 10,689 iTrader: 3 reviews	It will cost more to make the 01 like a 03/04, but if thats what funds allow then do it. The cost of forged internals is around 2000-3000 w/o installation. Then you can run your blower of choice. The eaton blower that is on the terminator, is not that great I think it is a M90 (that might be what is on the new shelby). Both will be a big step up from a 6er! __________________ RIP Travis Billings Special Thanks to: Andrews Racing Transmissions Baseline Suspensions 25.3 SFI Chassis Build Never Lift Racecars

March 25th, 2007, 12:09 AM	#11
MustangMatt96GT Proud American 1996 Mustang GT Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Lakewood, CO Posts: 10,689 iTrader: 3 reviews	O and drgn, all the Terminators I have seen have had 2 gauges on the a-pillar. Also I think it said something like this in the book Iron Fist Lead Foot! Great read for any one, and WHTPNY I suggest you read it. Very informative!! __________________ RIP Travis Billings Special Thanks to: Andrews Racing Transmissions Baseline Suspensions 25.3 SFI Chassis Build Never Lift Racecars

March 25th, 2007, 12:12 AM	#12
MustangMatt96GT Proud American 1996 Mustang GT Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Lakewood, CO Posts: 10,689 iTrader: 3 reviews	I new it was the m112 or the m90 lol. But I think that you would be happy with a GT. It will be cheaper, and it will take well to mods as well. You also might want to look into the 96-98 cobras, because they have the 4V in them and can be bought for about the same amount as the 02+ GTs! __________________ RIP Travis Billings Special Thanks to: Andrews Racing Transmissions Baseline Suspensions 25.3 SFI Chassis Build Never Lift Racecars

March 25th, 2007, 12:35 AM	#15
Drgnracin72 I Post Entirely Way Too Much Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: somewhere in oklahoma Posts: 10,635 iTrader: 2 reviews	all those slowbras youve seen have had aftermarket a-pillar gauges on it __________________ RIP ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ Political Correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical, liberal minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end. One Big Ass Mistake America SHEEPDOGS

March 25th, 2007, 01:12 AM	#16
bransdaman78 Regular Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 450 iTrader: 0 reviews	I say its better and cheaper in the long run to mod your current vehicle, but what do I know? __________________ 03 GT leather seats for sale or trade for racing seats, Looking to buy: subframes, tower braces, control arms, bypass/BOV, 42# injectors & MAF Trade/ Sell Predator 4 SCT (wrong part of the country)

March 25th, 2007, 02:00 AM	#17
Drgnracin72 I Post Entirely Way Too Much Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: somewhere in oklahoma Posts: 10,635 iTrader: 2 reviews	cheaper to start out with a car that allready does more and is much more capable in the long run __________________ RIP ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ Political Correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical, liberal minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end. One Big Ass Mistake America SHEEPDOGS

March 25th, 2007, 10:26 AM	#20
MustangMatt96GT Proud American 1996 Mustang GT Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Lakewood, CO Posts: 10,689 iTrader: 3 reviews	I know they dont have as much potental, but they are cheaper. And if whtpny is going to be forging the internals and tearing the engine apart any way then that route would be cheaper, because it is much cheaper than a 01 or a Terminator. Also the 99-04 GTs are around the same price as the 96-98 Cobras here in denver. What would you rather have a 2V or a 4V for the same price? __________________ RIP Travis Billings Special Thanks to: Andrews Racing Transmissions Baseline Suspensions 25.3 SFI Chassis Build Never Lift Racecars

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