[Schraders]

I just bought a '99 GT, five speed and some C&L stuff on the motor. This is the first modern car I've owned in 15 years and I've got to say I'm not impressed with the power this thing has at all. I build hot rods for a living, my last daily driver was a '36 Ford coupe with a 509 inch Cadillac and a T56. The Mustang needs to see 4000 plus before anything interesting starts to happen. So my question is...

Are the modular motors really modular? Are the 4v and 2v blocks the same? Will the heads interchange? Can I bolt in (as in no fabrication) a 5.4 motor? Can I bolt in an 03-04 Cobra motor? Are the Cobras that much faster than the GT's? Is it a better idea to hang a blower or turbos on the 2v? Any other ideas?

Keep in mind I'm used to dealing with Stromberg 97's and '40 Ford hydraulic brakes and stuff that hasn't been built new for 45 years or more.

So please be gentle.

Thanks in advance!


-Mike

[the real shocker]

Originally Posted by Schraders '36 Ford coupe with a 509 inch Cadillac and a T56.

the 2v's were only rated at app. 225 rwhp in the 99-04's i believe, and your best bet is to go 4v... especially the 03-04 cobra motors b/c their internals are already somewhat forged...

[SWEET2KSTANG]

i am an old school addict too. gotta remember that these motors are 281ci and wont have the 450+ torque that all the big motors do. 5.4 swap takes a little fab work but isnt to bad, not worth the time or money either imo. a 2v to 4v head swap isnt that easy either and is worth doing a complete engine swap to go that route. the 96-00 cobras have a forged crank and the 03-04 have forged crank, manley rods, and forged pistons. as for the boost question, i am not a turbo fan at all and recommend a s/c. i love the old school set ups and have done some to my gt, and for what it is the car is very respectable. the 2v's are capable of a lot and it will take a little effort to get it there, but it is all up to you on what you want to get done.

[Schraders]

Sorry, the forum won't let me post anything but text for some reason. It says I have to make 1 "legitimate post" and "be a member for more than 0 days". There's a couple of photos here, if you can get there: schraders speed and style dot com.

So it sounds like I should just find a '03/'04 Cobra motor and be done with it? I think I know a core broker who has a couple. Are the transmissions T56 six speeds? The double overdrive in my coupe was killer.

I'll try to post some photos of the car and some other projects tommorrow.

Thanks!

-Mike

[MustangMatt96GT]

You can do better than a 03/04 terminator motor if you build your own motor. They have a horrible M112 blower on them and should be upgraded. Personally I would just build up your 4.6 2V. Some nice heads some blower cams and a centrifical blower you should have 400 horse easily if not more. Anything past that you will need to get a forged block as well. The heads and cams will probably run around 3 grand and then the blower is what you choose. While you are in there you could put all forged internals in and run some serious boost. This route is not the cheapest for sure, but it will make more power than a terminator motor and and would be super fun in my opinion. I also like the challenge of using a 2V instead of a 4V.

BTW the 99-04 were rated at 260 at the flywheel.

[06dkkiser]

yeah but only get like 225 rwhp.. if that.. 260 is at the engine

[WilltheThrill]

Originally Posted by MustangMatt96GT You can do better than a 03/04 terminator motor if you build your own motor. They have a horrible M112 blower on them and should be upgraded. Personally I would just build up your 4.6 2V. Some nice heads some blower cams and a centrifical blower you should have 400 horse easily if not more. Anything past that you will need to get a forged block as well. The heads and cams will probably run around 3 grand and then the blower is what you choose. While you are in there you could put all forged internals in and run some serious boost. This route is not the cheapest for sure, but it will make more power than a terminator motor and and would be super fun in my opinion. I also like the challenge of using a 2V instead of a 4V. BTW the 99-04 were rated at 260 at the flywheel.

Im just curious, how can u say he could make more power than a termi engine with a forged 2V, can u explain how that would be done?

[02steedagt]

Originally Posted by WilltheThrill Im just curious, how can u say he could make more power than a termi engine with a forged 2V, can u explain how that would be done?

read the last 2 pages of this thread....
http://www.moddedmustangs.com/forums...s-vt19022.html

[WilltheThrill]

yeah the 03-04 cobras came with tremec T56 trannies

[WilltheThrill]

Originally Posted by 02steedagt Originally Posted by WilltheThrill Im just curious, how can u say he could make more power than a termi engine with a forged 2V, can u explain how that would be done? read the last 2 pages of this thread.... http://www.moddedmustangs.com/forums...s-vt19022.html

nevermind, I just re-read what he wrote, he was sayin that in comparison to a STOCK terminator engine

[MustangMatt96GT]

Hey bud, What i meant was that the 2V with a built motor will produce more than a terminator motor stock. Personally I have never liked the terminator motors, because of the blower they put on them. To upgrade the M112 it will cost some money. For that case he already has a 2V motor. SO if he put the same amount of money that he would be doing for a Terminator motor and a new blower, he could have one hell of a 2V that would have more power than a stock terminator motor. I personally would rather have a 400 RWHP 2V than a 400 RWHP 4V, but that is just me.

[WilltheThrill]

yeah I understood what u meant after I read it a second time

[drgnracin72]

the motor are modular, prettyy much everything on them is interchangeable. as for putting 4v heads on a 2v, youll need to have the block drilled and tapped for a few more timing compenanets and also the entire wiring harness and computer from the 2v. you will be able to bolt the other engines in no problem. just have to do the wiring harennes and computers

[Schraders]

Thanks for the guidance. So what about an earlier 4V motor, with an aftermarket turbo or blower setup? Do the earler Cobra motrs have all the forged internals? Is there anything I should be looking for there?

So, here's my old coupe at Bonneville in '05. 509 inch Cadillac, T56 6 speed trans, quite the sleeper. Driven from Los Angeles to Bonneville, driven daily for two years.



And here's a lakes modified roadster that's going together right now, 1926 Ford roadster pickup body, 1952 Buick straight 8 motor, modified early Ford suspension and I built eveything else including the frame, intake and exhaust. This one's getting paint and even a real interior!



Here's a '56 Cadillac I'm building for a customer right now, it's got full Air RIde underneath it and it's getting a 514 inch Cadillac, 20" wheels, candy tangerine paint and all like that there:



And here's my new 'Stang!




Thanks again!

-Mike

[02steedagt]

all of those beauties are phenomenal!!! very sweet

[the real shocker]

i would sell my girlfriend for any of those