Fastest Bolt On Mustang
Forums at Modded Mustangs
Home Register FAQ Members List Calendar Timeslips Blogs Garage Gallery Auto Loans Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read Auto Escrow


Go Back   Forums at Modded Mustangs > Mustang Forums > Modular Mustangs > 99 - 04

ModdedMustangs.com is the premier Ford Mustang Forum on the internet. Registered Users do not see the above ads.
Reply
 
LinkBack (3) Thread Tools
Old September 14th, 2010, 11:52 AM   3 links from elsewhere to this Post. Click to view. #1
Newbie
 
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Posts: 6
boltonstang is on a distinguished road
iTrader: 0 reviews
Default

Fastest Bolt On Mustang


I am wondering what the fastest 1/4 mile time is for a bolt on, full suspension, and built 8.8 with 4.10 gears 2v 4.6 is. No nitrous no power adders no head word etc. My friend and I might shoot for a record. I could find much on the subject with out seeing nitrous in the pictures but whatever times you guys come up with can you post the cars weight to?

Last edited by boltonstang; September 14th, 2010 at 11:54 AM.
  Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Old September 14th, 2010, 11:59 AM   #2
MM Fanatic
 
Black Bullitt's Avatar
 
2001 Mustang Bullitt
Faster than Twinmill
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Williamsburg, VA
Posts: 3,140
Black Bullitt is just really niceBlack Bullitt is just really niceBlack Bullitt is just really niceBlack Bullitt is just really nice
iTrader: 1 reviews
Send a message via AIM to Black Bullitt
Default

F8L GT just told me just a little a bit ago a GT 2v ran an 11.98, but it had a swapped in Bullitt manifold and after market cams, so it wasn't a true stock long block. Not sure on the weight. Hope that gives you an idea.
__________________
2001 Bullitt #5069
505rwhp/538rwtq @ 15#s

Originally Posted by FluffyTheRhino View Post
Nothing says "Upgrade EVERYTHING" like busted parts
  Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old September 14th, 2010, 01:07 PM   #3
Regular
 
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Tampa, Fl
Posts: 458
bitemark46 has a spectacular aura aboutbitemark46 has a spectacular aura about
iTrader: 0 reviews
Default

Originally Posted by Black Bullitt View Post
F8L GT just told me just a little a bit ago a GT 2v ran an 11.98, but it had a swapped in Bullitt manifold and after market cams, so it wasn't a true stock long block. Not sure on the weight. Hope that gives you an idea.
That was Bill Putnam. By definition, a stock longblock is the shortblock, heads, and cams w/ no intake. So swapping an intake its still considered a longblock.

long block definition
__________________

-Mark-
98' Cobra 5.5L DOHC B-Head N/A
11.61@118.76 (1.58 60ft)
  Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old September 14th, 2010, 01:17 PM   #4
Newbie
 
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Posts: 6
boltonstang is on a distinguished road
iTrader: 0 reviews
Default

Intake is a bolt on. Im looking for whats been stated above. Stock long block w/ full bolt ons, suspension, rear, and no laughing gas or boost.
  Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old September 14th, 2010, 01:17 PM   #5
Newbie
 
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Posts: 6
boltonstang is on a distinguished road
iTrader: 0 reviews
Default

Originally Posted by bitemark46 View Post
That was Bill Putnam. By definition, a stock longblock is the shortblock, heads, and cams w/ no intake. So swapping an intake its still considered a longblock.

long block definition
Do you know the weight of your car?
  Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old September 14th, 2010, 01:44 PM   #6
MM Fanatic
 
tbirdscwd's Avatar
 
2004 Mustang GT
12.88 @ 109.45 N/A
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Davis, CA
Posts: 3,420
tbirdscwd is a name known to alltbirdscwd is a name known to alltbirdscwd is a name known to alltbirdscwd is a name known to alltbirdscwd is a name known to alltbirdscwd is a name known to all
iTrader: -1 reviews
Default

With a good suspension/tire combo, a well driven manual 2v bolt-on GT at full weight is capable of high 12s. Pretty much everything after that has to be made up by weight reduction (since power isn't going up). If you look at the fastest N/A 2v mustangs out there, the one thing they all have is SERIOUS weight reduction.
__________________
Fun: 2004 Mustang GT
DD: 1994 Ram 2500 Cummins 4x4


Borla "Stinger" Exhaust Vids
  Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old September 14th, 2010, 02:15 PM   #7
MM Fanatic
 
Black Bullitt's Avatar
 
2001 Mustang Bullitt
Faster than Twinmill
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Williamsburg, VA
Posts: 3,140
Black Bullitt is just really niceBlack Bullitt is just really niceBlack Bullitt is just really niceBlack Bullitt is just really nice
iTrader: 1 reviews
Send a message via AIM to Black Bullitt
Default

Originally Posted by bitemark46 View Post
That was Bill Putnam. By definition, a stock longblock is the shortblock, heads, and cams w/ no intake. So swapping an intake its still considered a longblock.

long block definition
I was referring to the cams. I did not specify.
__________________
2001 Bullitt #5069
505rwhp/538rwtq @ 15#s

Originally Posted by FluffyTheRhino View Post
Nothing says "Upgrade EVERYTHING" like busted parts
  Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old September 14th, 2010, 02:22 PM   #8
!FACEPLATED!
 
F8L GT's Avatar
 
2002 Mustang GT
7.84 @ 86.01
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Upper Michigan
Posts: 15,325
F8L GT has a reputation beyond reputeF8L GT has a reputation beyond reputeF8L GT has a reputation beyond reputeF8L GT has a reputation beyond reputeF8L GT has a reputation beyond reputeF8L GT has a reputation beyond reputeF8L GT has a reputation beyond reputeF8L GT has a reputation beyond reputeF8L GT has a reputation beyond reputeF8L GT has a reputation beyond reputeF8L GT has a reputation beyond repute
iTrader: 13 reviews
Send a message via MSN to F8L GT
Default

you and i buddy are going for the same record . I have been talking to Bill Putnam over on Modular Revolution about this same subject
__________________

MM Bracket Racing Crew Co-Founder

  Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old September 14th, 2010, 02:27 PM   #9
Newbie
 
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Posts: 6
boltonstang is on a distinguished road
iTrader: 0 reviews
Default

Originally Posted by F8L GT View Post
you and i buddy are going for the same record . I have been talking to Bill Putnam over on Modular Revolution about this same subject
Haha well its more of my friend then me. I have a ls1 but my friend said he wanted to try and get his into mid to low 12's with bolt ons ect..... I told him if he did it would probably be close to a record and he couldnt do it without dropping a pounds. Do you know what the current record is?
  Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old September 14th, 2010, 02:31 PM   #10
!FACEPLATED!
 
F8L GT's Avatar
 
2002 Mustang GT
7.84 @ 86.01
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Upper Michigan
Posts: 15,325
F8L GT has a reputation beyond reputeF8L GT has a reputation beyond reputeF8L GT has a reputation beyond reputeF8L GT has a reputation beyond reputeF8L GT has a reputation beyond reputeF8L GT has a reputation beyond reputeF8L GT has a reputation beyond reputeF8L GT has a reputation beyond reputeF8L GT has a reputation beyond reputeF8L GT has a reputation beyond reputeF8L GT has a reputation beyond repute
iTrader: 13 reviews
Send a message via MSN to F8L GT
Default

Bill said that the quickest he has ran w/o cames was 12.47@107. He gave me this link to look at that he put together. He said not all mods are listed such as intakes because they are not considered a major mod. He also said it was limited to ported heads, headswaps on non-pi cars, built engines, cams.

http://www.modularrevolution.com/for...ead.php?t=8256
__________________

MM Bracket Racing Crew Co-Founder

  Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old September 14th, 2010, 02:33 PM   #11
!FACEPLATED!
 
F8L GT's Avatar
 
2002 Mustang GT
7.84 @ 86.01
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Upper Michigan
Posts: 15,325
F8L GT has a reputation beyond reputeF8L GT has a reputation beyond reputeF8L GT has a reputation beyond reputeF8L GT has a reputation beyond reputeF8L GT has a reputation beyond reputeF8L GT has a reputation beyond reputeF8L GT has a reputation beyond reputeF8L GT has a reputation beyond reputeF8L GT has a reputation beyond reputeF8L GT has a reputation beyond reputeF8L GT has a reputation beyond repute
iTrader: 13 reviews
Send a message via MSN to F8L GT
Default

hold on, link didnt work
__________________

MM Bracket Racing Crew Co-Founder

  Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old September 14th, 2010, 02:34 PM   #12
!FACEPLATED!
 
F8L GT's Avatar
 
2002 Mustang GT
7.84 @ 86.01
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Upper Michigan
Posts: 15,325
F8L GT has a reputation beyond reputeF8L GT has a reputation beyond reputeF8L GT has a reputation beyond reputeF8L GT has a reputation beyond reputeF8L GT has a reputation beyond reputeF8L GT has a reputation beyond reputeF8L GT has a reputation beyond reputeF8L GT has a reputation beyond reputeF8L GT has a reputation beyond reputeF8L GT has a reputation beyond reputeF8L GT has a reputation beyond repute
iTrader: 13 reviews
Send a message via MSN to F8L GT
Default

I just copied the 2v n/a portion

1999 - 2004 2V Naturally Aspirated (PI Heads) 1/4 ET:
1 . Fastest NA 2V - 10.69 @ 127.00 ( 1999 GT 5 SPD - 302ci Mod )
2 . nine - 10.82 @ 126.96 ( YEAR?,TRANS? - 286CI 2V - PURE STREET )
3 . KenB - 10.83 @ 124.41 ( 2000 GT 5 SPD )
4 . Biff - 11.05 @ 120.93 ( 1998 GT 5 SPD - F/S, PI HEADS, 287ci, BFGs )
5 . Steve Gifford - 11.42 @ 118.00 ( GT 5 SPD )
6 . Steve Drier (Houston Performance) - 11.45 @ 115.00 ( 1995 GT AUTO - SVO HEADS/INTAKE, STROKED )
7 . starkie - 11.52 @ 116.76 ( 2001 GT 5 SPD )
8 . Yellow02GTauto - 11.67 @ 112.17 ( 2002 GT AUTO - HEADS/CAMS )
9 . madmike - 11.68 @ 115.66 ( 2000 GT 5 SPD )
10 . stroked_4.6 - 11.80 @ 119.06 ( 2000 GT - STROKED, TFS )
11 . Kurt02GT - 11.90 @ 113.29 ( 2002 GT AUTO )
12 . Gt - 11.92 @ 112.33 ( 2002 GT AUTO )
13 . Ian Mullane - 11.94 @ 111.66 ( 1996 GTS 5 SPD - PI ENG )
14 . Bill Putnam - 11.97 @ 113.20 ( 2000 GT 5 SPD )
15 . 96SOHC - 11.98 @ 110.52 ( 1996 GT VERT AUTO - HS - VT CAMS )
16 . John Edwards - 11.99 @ 112.10 ( 1999 GT AUTO )
17 . Randy Stinchcomb - 11.99 @ 113.65 ( 1996 GT 5 SPD - SVO HEADS/INTAKE )
18 . TSS Racing - 12.02 @ 111.04 ( 2000 GT 5 SPD )
19 . AutomaticWeapon - 12.03 @ 112.69 ( 2001 GT 5 SPD )
20 . rrg9946 - 12.04 @ 111.00 ( 1999 GT 5 SPD )
21 . ALLMTR2V - 12.05 @ 111.27 ( 1998 GT 5 SPD - HS )
22 . code3GT - 12.09 @ 114.00 ( 2001 GT 5 SPD )
23 . Racer_X - 12.15 @ 112.90 ( 1996 GT 5 SPD - HS )
24 . Doug Johnson (Fast2v) - 12.17 @ 112.02 ( 2000 GT 5 SPD )
25 . Jeff99GT - 12.18 @ 109.30 ( 1999 GT 5 SPD )
26 . John Vanover - 12.23 @ 108.99 ( 1999 GT AUTO )
27 . Kurgan - 12.24 @ 110.03 ( 2001 GT 5 SPD )
28 . Lazer Red 99 GT - 12.25 @ 110.31 ( 1999 GT 5 SPD - VT cams )
29 . Shane Williams - 12.25 @ 110.00 ( 1999 GT AUTO )
30 . Gary Youngblood - 12.26 @ 108.00 ( 2001 GT AUTO )
31 . ponynx - 12.30 @ 110.26 ( 2003 GT 5 SPD )
32 . TruBlu01 - 12.39 @ 108.89 ( 2001 GT 5 SPD )
33 . silver2k2gt - 12.47 @ 107.68 ( 2002 GT AUTO )
34 . Ed Galanda - 12.47 @ 105.31 ( 2004 GT 5 SPD )
35 . mogs01gt - 12.50 @ 110.00 ( 2001 GT 5 SPD, PORTED HEADS, CAMS )
36 . RavenGT - 12.50 @ 106.80 ( 2000 GT 5 SPD - SOLD )
37 . Ruckus46gt - 12.52 @ 107.81 ( 2000 GT 5 SPD )
38 . wht00gt - 12.59 @ 107.04 ( 2000 GT 5 SPD )
39 . playground60 - 12.60 @ 110.14 ( 2002 GT 5 SPD )
40 . 96SOHC - 12.60 @ 106.64 ( 1996 GT VERT AUTO - HS )
41 . Real-slo98 - 12.61 @ 108.96 ( 1998 GT AUTO - HS )
42 . auto02 - 12.61 @ 107.00 ( 2002 GT AUTO )
43 . Extreme281 - 12.62 @ 108.52 ( 2002 GT 5 SPD )
44 . EVIL GT - 12.65 @ 108.59 ( 2000 GT AUTO )
45 . GMsucks - 12.68 @ 106.64 ( 2003 GT )
46 . 98GtConvt - 12.70 @ 110.40 ( 1998 GT 5 SPD VERT - HS )
47 . crawlinGT - 12.71 @ 106.90 ( 2002 GT 5 SPD )
48 . mineralgraygt - 12.70 @ 108.00 ( 2002 GT 5 SPD )
49 . BlueStangGT - 12.71 @ 109.00 ( 1998 GT 5 SPD - HS )
50 . Madi98GT - 12.72 @ 107.13 ( 1998 GT 5 SPD - HS )
51 . AR1Grdpoundr - 12.72 @ 107.34 ( 1998 GT 5 SPD - HS )
52 . Mustang03 - 12.72 @ 107.76 ( 2003 GT 5 SPD )
53 . JayZ - 12.73 @ 107.39 ( 2002 GT 5 SPD )
__________________

MM Bracket Racing Crew Co-Founder

  Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old September 14th, 2010, 02:40 PM   #13
Newbie
 
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Posts: 6
boltonstang is on a distinguished road
iTrader: 0 reviews
Default

Interesting it seems like what'd you'd be looking at on stock weight then would be in the 12.8+ area.
  Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old September 14th, 2010, 02:41 PM   #14
Enthusiast
 
2001 mustang GT
12.67@110.34
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Davenport, Florida
Posts: 994
kennyGT is on a distinguished road
iTrader: 0 reviews
Send a message via AIM to kennyGT
Default

im working on this right now 5.4L with HPS intake jlt CAI, 75mm tb and plenum, bbk h-pipe dumped race bullets, steeda pullies, rear seat delete and manual crank windows big and skinnies mayybe tubular crossmember if i have some money ;eft over, im just waiting on some negotiating with 330cube for the motor
__________________
07 GT/CS manual - STOCK
88 LX automatic-SOLD
01 GT manual-UNDER CONSTRUCTION
97 GT automatic-SOLD
  Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old September 14th, 2010, 02:43 PM   #15
Hardcore Enthusiast
 
2001 Bullitt
12.25@110.4
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: North Carolina
Posts: 2,599
Bullitt5339 is a glorious beacon of lightBullitt5339 is a glorious beacon of lightBullitt5339 is a glorious beacon of lightBullitt5339 is a glorious beacon of lightBullitt5339 is a glorious beacon of lightBullitt5339 is a glorious beacon of light
iTrader: 1 reviews
Default

Originally Posted by tbirdscwd View Post
With a good suspension/tire combo, a well driven manual 2v bolt-on GT at full weight is capable of high 12s. Pretty much everything after that has to be made up by weight reduction (since power isn't going up). If you look at the fastest N/A 2v mustangs out there, the one thing they all have is SERIOUS weight reduction.

I have run multiple 12.9 passes on my car with minor bolt-ons, a good tune, drag radials and a suspension setup for autocross. 12.91@104.9 and a 1.76 60ft time being the fastest, and the only weight reduction was taking the rear and passenger's seat out, and of course the spare tire.

I wonder what it'll do on a suspension setup for drag racing and more aggressive tire?

Hell, I don't even have headers on my car.

Last edited by Bullitt5339; September 14th, 2010 at 02:48 PM.
  Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old September 14th, 2010, 02:48 PM   #16
Newbie
 
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Posts: 6
boltonstang is on a distinguished road
iTrader: 0 reviews
Default

Originally Posted by Bullitt5339 View Post
Ummm, I have run multiple 12.9 passes on my car with minor bolt-ons, a good tune, drag radials and a suspension setup for autocross. 12.91@104.9 and a 1.76 60ft time being the fastest, and the only weight reduction was taking the rear and passenger's seat out, and of course the spare tire.

Hell, I don't even have headers on my car.
Thats probably close to .2ths in weight though which would make up for the headers
  Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old September 14th, 2010, 02:49 PM   #17
Enthusiast
 
2001 mustang GT
12.67@110.34
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Davenport, Florida
Posts: 994
kennyGT is on a distinguished road
iTrader: 0 reviews
Send a message via AIM to kennyGT
Default

Originally Posted by boltonstang View Post
Thats probably close to .2ths in weight though which would make up for the headers
not to mention the bullit comes with the better intake manifold that most have to buy for there GT's
__________________
07 GT/CS manual - STOCK
88 LX automatic-SOLD
01 GT manual-UNDER CONSTRUCTION
97 GT automatic-SOLD
  Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old September 14th, 2010, 04:41 PM   #18
!FACEPLATED!
 
F8L GT's Avatar
 
2002 Mustang GT
7.84 @ 86.01
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Upper Michigan
Posts: 15,325
F8L GT has a reputation beyond reputeF8L GT has a reputation beyond reputeF8L GT has a reputation beyond reputeF8L GT has a reputation beyond reputeF8L GT has a reputation beyond reputeF8L GT has a reputation beyond reputeF8L GT has a reputation beyond reputeF8L GT has a reputation beyond reputeF8L GT has a reputation beyond reputeF8L GT has a reputation beyond reputeF8L GT has a reputation beyond repute
iTrader: 13 reviews
Send a message via MSN to F8L GT
Default

Originally Posted by boltonstang View Post
Thats probably close to .2ths in weight though which would make up for the headers
I wouldn't say .2. More like .1 at the most
__________________

MM Bracket Racing Crew Co-Founder

  Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old September 14th, 2010, 05:01 PM   #19
MM Fanatic
 
Trick Tuners's Avatar
 
KB'd GT
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: San Diego
Posts: 4,465
Trick Tuners is a name known to allTrick Tuners is a name known to allTrick Tuners is a name known to allTrick Tuners is a name known to allTrick Tuners is a name known to allTrick Tuners is a name known to all
iTrader: 3 reviews
Default

I always have disliked the term "bolt on".

First bolt on the new stroker crank, then bolt on the rods and the big bore pistons, then bolt on some bad ass heads and cams and top it off with a bolt on intake. Bolt on the headers, bolt on the turbos, then bolt on a nitrous kit. Bolt on a drag suspension and bolt on some slicks. "Stock NA longblock" is a more appropriate term.
  Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Old September 14th, 2010, 05:10 PM   #20
MM Fanatic
 
tbirdscwd's Avatar
 
2004 Mustang GT
12.88 @ 109.45 N/A
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Davis, CA
Posts: 3,420
tbirdscwd is a name known to alltbirdscwd is a name known to alltbirdscwd is a name known to alltbirdscwd is a name known to alltbirdscwd is a name known to alltbirdscwd is a name known to all
iTrader: -1 reviews
Default

Originally Posted by Bullitt5339 View Post
I have run multiple 12.9 passes on my car with minor bolt-ons, a good tune, drag radials and a suspension setup for autocross. 12.91@104.9 and a 1.76 60ft time being the fastest, and the only weight reduction was taking the rear and passenger's seat out, and of course the spare tire.

I wonder what it'll do on a suspension setup for drag racing and more aggressive tire?

Hell, I don't even have headers on my car.
Just goes to prove my point even further.
1. without the rear seat delete and passenger seat installed, you would be 13.0-13.1 if everything else remained the same.
2. mid 1.7xx 60fts are the best you're really gonna do with bolt-on power and close to stock weight, I don't care what tires/suspension you are running.
3. and depending on what mods you have, there is not much more room for power increases. With a bullitt intake manifold, a tune, and I'm guessing an aftermarket mid-pipe, you have little to nothing to gain from the other bolt-ons available (including headers while running stock heads and cams)
__________________
Fun: 2004 Mustang GT
DD: 1994 Ram 2500 Cummins 4x4


Borla "Stinger" Exhaust Vids

Last edited by tbirdscwd; September 14th, 2010 at 05:26 PM.
  Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now

In order to be able to post messages on the Forums at Modded Mustangs forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.
User Name:
If you do not want to register, fill this field only and the name will be used as user name for your post.
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.
Password:
Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.
Email Address:

Log-in

Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.



Thread Tools


LinkBacks (?)
LinkBack to this Thread: http://www.moddedmustangs.com/forums/99-04/183399-fastest-bolt-mustang.html
Posted By For Type Date
2015 Hyundai Genesis 3.8L V6 311 HP / 293 LB-FT $38k-$52K This thread Refback April 11th, 2014 12:59 AM
looking for a 12 - MustangForums.com This thread Refback June 24th, 2012 08:51 PM
my stock 94 lt1 auto vs 99-03ish mustang gt=ugly, is this normal? - Page 5 - LS1TECH This thread Pingback January 19th, 2011 01:43 PM

Threads Similar to: Fastest Bolt On Mustang
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
The worlds fastest mustang-and its 6 itschristorres8 The Clubhouse 18 October 1st, 2009 08:58 AM
Quickest/fastest full weight bolt-on only 2v? Blackbird1084 Drag 4 September 18th, 2009 11:29 PM
World’s Fastest Production Mustang Elenora Modular Mustangs 43 December 28th, 2008 11:41 PM
Fastest 1/4 mile time with full bolt ons? silverstang05 2005 - 2010 46 September 2nd, 2007 12:57 PM
Fastest N/A or Nitrous 99-04 Mustang CantDrv55 99 - 04 7 March 16th, 2007 10:24 PM



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 04:29 PM.
Modded Mustangs is ©2005-2008, All Rights Reserved, And is Not Affiliated with Ford Motor Company.
Forum is powered by vBulletin ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Ent. Ltd. & SEO by vBSEO 3.3.2 ©2009, Crawlability, Inc.

powered by vBulletin ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Ent. Ltd.