Patriot Stage 2 Performance Heads for CHEAP!!!

281SLEEPER2v · January 27th, 2011, 12:26 AM

Found some guy on a local forum selling a set of patriot stage 2 heads. i guess they need new valves and guides. they come with everything but the valves and guides need replacing. i think he would take 300 for them. what do you guys think? Where could i get some replacement valves and guides?? sound like a deal to me

mustanginky · January 27th, 2011, 12:41 AM

cheap enough

cedsks · January 27th, 2011, 09:11 AM

Originally Posted by mustanginky

cheap enough

I have heard that those heads suck, ie bad castings ect... I dont think I have ever heard that they are happy with them, even when they buy them new....IMO

LAWNDART02 · January 27th, 2011, 09:32 AM

For $300, it would probably be worth it if you have not been actively planning on swapping your heads already, or are tight on cash (aren't we all).

Your sig implys the motor is out and being worked on. If that's true and you can easily do the swap yourself it sounds like a great ~$ oppertunity. They may not be worth the $$ when new, but if you decide not to get them let me know.

If you have a head shop look at them for the valve work, they'll let you know if anything is up..

Now you gotta choose the right cams

I say do it.

slow02gt · January 27th, 2011, 10:02 AM

yeah for 300 bucks they are work the 600-700 bucks...your going to spend to have all new shit....i say get them and send them to modular head shop...

slow02gt · January 27th, 2011, 10:03 AM

your in cali...you can even send them to mmr since they are right there..

P1SCstangGT · January 27th, 2011, 04:38 PM

I would that is a good deal

Dolbs4082 · January 27th, 2011, 04:48 PM

I think the problems people have with these heads are actually the valve guides arent so good. so if your buying them *planning* on replacing the guides and valves then i think you'll be good.

I bought mine from AM for ~1500 a couple years ago. The guides were shit and had to have a guy go threw both heads. But after that, they've preformed great.

mustanginky · January 27th, 2011, 05:10 PM

Yeah the guides were known to be crap

281SLEEPER2v · January 27th, 2011, 05:19 PM

yea i would definately buy new guides and valves. im guessing bronze guides but i dont know nothing about valves, where can i get a good set for cheap, like slow02gt said i might give mmr a call. i dont think the heads would need to be worked on just have the valves put back on

tbirdscwd · January 27th, 2011, 05:28 PM

You will need at least valves, a valve job, new guides, and springs/retainers depending on if you can re-use your stock stuff of not. Still may be worth it. I posted in that thread to ask the guy some more specifics.

281SLEEPER2v · January 27th, 2011, 09:43 PM

Originally Posted by tbirdscwd

You will need at least valves, a valve job, new guides, and springs/retainers depending on if you can re-use your stock stuff of not. Still may be worth it. I posted in that thread to ask the guy some more specifics.

guy told me he has the valve springs i think he said they are .600 springs. he said he ran the car low on oil. i really want these heads

casper gt · January 27th, 2011, 09:48 PM

for reasons that should be obvious, it's a very bad idea to buy parts from a motor that is being parted out because it was ran low on oil.
IMO, keep looking.

limited · January 27th, 2011, 10:57 PM

Originally Posted by casper gt

for reasons that should be obvious, it's a very bad idea to buy parts from a motor that is being parted out because it was ran low on oil.
IMO, keep looking.

+1, at least inspect the cam bores

1_nice_03_gt · January 27th, 2011, 11:33 PM

ive seen these on the local forum too

tbirdscwd · January 27th, 2011, 11:54 PM

Yeah, running out of oil and shitting the motor will have an affect on more than just the valve guides!!

mustanginky · January 28th, 2011, 02:05 PM

yes, definately check the cam bores, if junk got up there and galled them up you will be SOL and have to scrap them or put cam bearings in them and that costs some serious moolah.

Mizark347 · January 28th, 2011, 02:35 PM

Originally Posted by mustanginky

yes, definately check the cam bores, if junk got up there and galled them up you will be SOL and have to scrap them or put cam bearings in them and that costs some serious moolah.

Actually I was quoted at $150 a head by John Tymensky of Modular Performance in Wixom, MI to cut down the cam caps and re-bore the journals. Not too bad.

99GT35thLE · January 28th, 2011, 03:24 PM

Sounds like you're buying set of cores, because that's all they will be good for in the end.

tbirdscwd · January 28th, 2011, 03:34 PM

Originally Posted by Mizark347

Actually I was quoted at $150 a head by John Tymensky of Modular Performance in Wixom, MI to cut down the cam caps and re-bore the journals. Not too bad.

The point is that unless he gets them basically for free, he could end up spending close to what he would spend on just buying a set assembled and complete.

January 27th, 2011, 12:26 AM	#1
281SLEEPER2v Regular 2000 MUSTANG GT 13.03 @ 103 Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: CENTRAL VALLEY, CALIFORNIA Posts: 410 iTrader: 0 reviews	Patriot Stage 2 Performance Heads for CHEAP!!! Found some guy on a local forum selling a set of patriot stage 2 heads. i guess they need new valves and guides. they come with everything but the valves and guides need replacing. i think he would take 300 for them. what do you guys think? Where could i get some replacement valves and guides?? sound like a deal to me __________________ VALLEY STANG 2v+Cams+Nitrous stock longblock till she blows

January 27th, 2011, 12:41 AM	#2
mustanginky MM Fanatic 2000 gt Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: La grange, KY Posts: 4,259 iTrader: 2 reviews	cheap enough __________________ Procharged 2000 5 Speed BAB GT, built motor, blower cams, speedy dyno tune 412 hp, 450 rw tq HARDCORE CREW BRIGHT ATLANTIC BLUE CREW #1 MEMBER

January 27th, 2011, 09:32 AM	#4
LAWNDART02 Regular 02 GT Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Detroit Posts: 333 iTrader: 0 reviews	For $300, it would probably be worth it if you have not been actively planning on swapping your heads already, or are tight on cash (aren't we all). Your sig implys the motor is out and being worked on. If that's true and you can easily do the swap yourself it sounds like a great ~$ oppertunity. They may not be worth the $$ when new, but if you decide not to get them let me know. If you have a head shop look at them for the valve work, they'll let you know if anything is up.. Now you gotta choose the right cams I say do it. __________________ 02 2v 5sp- 9lb KB 2.1L I/C, 90MAF, 75mmStack TB, FLSFC's, Magnaflow C/B, NT555R's, MGW shift, Black Sabbath

January 27th, 2011, 10:02 AM	#5
slow02gt Hardcore Enthusiast 2002 mustang gt 11.38@119 Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: beaumont, texas Posts: 2,835 iTrader: 1 reviews	yeah for 300 bucks they are work the 600-700 bucks...your going to spend to have all new shit....i say get them and send them to modular head shop... __________________ built motor,trickflow heads,logan intake,80mm comp turbo on the way..

January 27th, 2011, 10:03 AM	#6
slow02gt Hardcore Enthusiast 2002 mustang gt 11.38@119 Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: beaumont, texas Posts: 2,835 iTrader: 1 reviews	your in cali...you can even send them to mmr since they are right there.. __________________ built motor,trickflow heads,logan intake,80mm comp turbo on the way..

January 27th, 2011, 04:38 PM	#7
P1SCstangGT Regular 02 Mustang GT Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: AZ Posts: 153 iTrader: 0 reviews	I would that is a good deal __________________ 2002 gt PROCHARGED 9psi

January 27th, 2011, 04:48 PM	#8
Dolbs4082 I Blumpkin Entirely Way Too Much 2005 Mustang GT Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: kansas Posts: 5,958 iTrader: 0 reviews	I think the problems people have with these heads are actually the valve guides arent so good. so if your buying them planning on replacing the guides and valves then i think you'll be good. I bought mine from AM for ~1500 a couple years ago. The guides were shit and had to have a guy go threw both heads. But after that, they've preformed great. __________________ MM + Cleavage member #22

January 27th, 2011, 05:10 PM	#9
mustanginky MM Fanatic 2000 gt Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: La grange, KY Posts: 4,259 iTrader: 2 reviews	Yeah the guides were known to be crap __________________ Procharged 2000 5 Speed BAB GT, built motor, blower cams, speedy dyno tune 412 hp, 450 rw tq HARDCORE CREW BRIGHT ATLANTIC BLUE CREW #1 MEMBER

January 27th, 2011, 05:19 PM	#10
281SLEEPER2v Regular 2000 MUSTANG GT 13.03 @ 103 Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: CENTRAL VALLEY, CALIFORNIA Posts: 410 iTrader: 0 reviews	yea i would definately buy new guides and valves. im guessing bronze guides but i dont know nothing about valves, where can i get a good set for cheap, like slow02gt said i might give mmr a call. i dont think the heads would need to be worked on just have the valves put back on __________________ VALLEY STANG 2v+Cams+Nitrous stock longblock till she blows

January 27th, 2011, 05:28 PM	#11
tbirdscwd MM Fanatic 2004 Mustang GT 12.88 @ 109.45 N/A Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Davis, CA Posts: 3,417 iTrader: -1 reviews	You will need at least valves, a valve job, new guides, and springs/retainers depending on if you can re-use your stock stuff of not. Still may be worth it. I posted in that thread to ask the guy some more specifics. __________________ Fun: 2004 Mustang GT DD: 1994 Ram 2500 Cummins 4x4 Borla "Stinger" Exhaust Vids

January 27th, 2011, 09:48 PM	#13
casper gt Moderator 2012 300a gt auto 12.10@116 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: creighton pa Posts: 7,697 iTrader: 4 reviews	for reasons that should be obvious, it's a very bad idea to buy parts from a motor that is being parted out because it was ran low on oil. IMO, keep looking. __________________ MM BRACKET RACING CREW CO-FOUNDER BAMA Performance Drag Team Founder 2012 300a GT auto

January 27th, 2011, 11:33 PM	#15
1_nice_03_gt Hardcore Enthusiast 2003 ford mustang gt 13.9 stock Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: bay area Posts: 1,473 iTrader: 1 reviews	ive seen these on the local forum too __________________ k&n cai, mangaflows exhaust, summit udp's, 24lb injectors, 78mm bbk plenun, tri-ax s/s, a/c delete,3.73's, aluminum drive shaft, upr upper/lower control arms, solid motor mounts, bbk heades, upr xpipe,bbk cc plates, camber bolts.bama tune

January 27th, 2011, 11:54 PM	#16
tbirdscwd MM Fanatic 2004 Mustang GT 12.88 @ 109.45 N/A Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Davis, CA Posts: 3,417 iTrader: -1 reviews	Yeah, running out of oil and shitting the motor will have an affect on more than just the valve guides!! __________________ Fun: 2004 Mustang GT DD: 1994 Ram 2500 Cummins 4x4 Borla "Stinger" Exhaust Vids

January 28th, 2011, 02:05 PM	#17
mustanginky MM Fanatic 2000 gt Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: La grange, KY Posts: 4,259 iTrader: 2 reviews	yes, definately check the cam bores, if junk got up there and galled them up you will be SOL and have to scrap them or put cam bearings in them and that costs some serious moolah. __________________ Procharged 2000 5 Speed BAB GT, built motor, blower cams, speedy dyno tune 412 hp, 450 rw tq HARDCORE CREW BRIGHT ATLANTIC BLUE CREW #1 MEMBER

January 28th, 2011, 03:24 PM	#19
99GT35thLE Hardcore Enthusiast 1999 GT 35th LE Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Jacksonville, Florida Posts: 1,428 iTrader: 0 reviews	Sounds like you're buying set of cores, because that's all they will be good for in the end. __________________ Drive it like you stole it

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