long tube vs shotty

gizmo222 · February 5th, 2011, 10:47 PM

what are your views what makes one better than the other
also what works best with a 03 gt automatic
brands you like best brands you hate

****shorty******

JoshDrex00gt · February 5th, 2011, 10:55 PM

long-tubes don't fit well, or at all. mac is all i've seen people be able to run on the automatics. shorty headers do not add much power, if you get a good deal they're worth it

86er · February 5th, 2011, 10:57 PM

how do you figure long tubes dont fit well? I believe the flow techs work with the auto's also.

shorties are a waste of time. Long tubes might throw down monster peak gains, they help the whole curve from off idle all the way to redline, where you spend most of your time anyways

mrbigjeep · February 5th, 2011, 10:59 PM

hooker, kooks, slp, and mac all work i believe. along with flowtech

JoshDrex00gt · February 5th, 2011, 11:02 PM

Originally Posted by 86er

how do you figure long tubes dont fit well? I believe the flow techs work with the auto's also.

shorties are a waste of time. Long tubes might throw down monster peak gains, they help the whole curve from off idle all the way to redline, where you spend most of your time anyways

based off what i've read on here by the guru's and at the shops around here. it's a tight squeeze with the stock k-member and auto transmission.

86er · February 5th, 2011, 11:07 PM

Not really, once the k member is out of the way, you just slip them up from the bottom and thats that

mrbigjeep · February 5th, 2011, 11:27 PM

the longtubes do fit pretty close imo but they fit nonetheless

JoshDrex00gt · February 5th, 2011, 11:33 PM

yeah but k-member is an expensive add on to make headers fit

mrbigjeep · February 5th, 2011, 11:35 PM

i think he was talking about dropping it to install them.

but i got my full tubular front suspension including coil overs for 600 bucks brand new

casper gt · February 5th, 2011, 11:35 PM

Originally Posted by JoshDrex00gt

yeah but k-member is an expensive add on to make headers fit

you don't need a new k-frame to make l/t's fit, they fit fine with the stock one.

JoshDrex00gt · February 5th, 2011, 11:59 PM

long-tubes are better for power none the less is all, just some say they have issues with an automatic, but i'd listen to casper and bigjeep over myself

Scott2001GT · February 6th, 2011, 01:28 AM

I'd go Mac. cheap and has good results.

SLP is nice but the price tag is crazy!

RALVAREZ26 · February 6th, 2011, 01:33 AM

i have MAC on my auto and my brother dropped the k-member to installed them.

Shaun03GT · February 6th, 2011, 01:34 AM

Originally Posted by 86er

how do you figure long tubes dont fit well? I believe the flow techs work with the auto's also.

shorties are a waste of time. Long tubes might throw down monster peak gains, they help the whole curve from off idle all the way to redline, where you spend most of your time anyways

This. I dont get why you think LTs wont fit well.

Go with Kooks LT's. I cant find one fucking video on youtube with a 2V stock cams/heads with Kooks Longtubes. Aronious!

And the stock manifolds flow okay, shortys arent worth it for shit imo

JoshDrex00gt · February 6th, 2011, 01:38 AM

like i said based off what shops said, and if you go on bbk or bassani websites they don't offer long-tubes for the 99-04 mustang with an automatic transmsission

Scott2001GT · February 6th, 2011, 01:42 AM

don't BBK headers fit like shit?

86er · February 6th, 2011, 01:56 AM

anythink BBK fits like shit

blkfordsedan · February 6th, 2011, 01:57 AM

Long tubes allow for higher exhaust gas velocity and help create a scavenging effect which can actually help in cylinder filling at higher RPM. They offer the best gains over the largest RPM range, but will require an aftermarket mid-pipe and can present problems with emissions certification (depending where you live). They are also fairly hard to install on our cars.
Short tubes simply can't offer the advanges of long tubes, but the individual tubes for each port will reduce combustion dilution over the stock log type manifolds and also allow some heat to escape the exhaust port. Power gains are very small and typically only in a narrow RPM range. On the plus side, they do allow you to use the stock mid-pipe with the close mounted cats, are more emissions friendly and much easier to install. They can give a slight boost in performance over the factory manifolds, but most people feel they are not worth it unless you get a good deal on a set. Personally, I would go with a good aftermarket H or X pipe (off-road or with hi-flow cats) and stock manifolds or go all-out and get the long tubes.

Shaun03GT · February 6th, 2011, 02:03 AM

Originally Posted by 86er

anythink BBK fits like shit

so fuckin true

99GT35thLE · February 6th, 2011, 07:37 AM

+4 ^

February 5th, 2011, 10:47 PM	#1
gizmo222 Regular 2003 mustang gt v8 Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: detorit mi Posts: 94 iTrader: 0 reviews	long tube vs shotty what are your views what makes one better than the other also what works best with a 03 gt automatic brands you like best brands you hate **shorty****

February 5th, 2011, 10:55 PM	#2
JoshDrex00gt Hardcore Enthusiast 2000 Mustang GT Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: South Carolina Posts: 1,539 iTrader: 0 reviews	long-tubes don't fit well, or at all. mac is all i've seen people be able to run on the automatics. shorty headers do not add much power, if you get a good deal they're worth it __________________ ll 2000 Mustang GT : On3 Powered ll ll Pump Gas Dyno ll ll4R70W Gear Guide ll

February 5th, 2011, 10:57 PM	#3
86er I Post Entirely Way Too Much Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Memphis, TN Posts: 7,630 iTrader: 0 reviews	how do you figure long tubes dont fit well? I believe the flow techs work with the auto's also. shorties are a waste of time. Long tubes might throw down monster peak gains, they help the whole curve from off idle all the way to redline, where you spend most of your time anyways __________________ Just a truck 5.4 3v: 264hp 317ft lbs rock stock The "search" button, its not just for porn piecing together the next project faster than your first sexual experience

February 5th, 2011, 10:59 PM	#4
mrbigjeep I Post Entirely Way Too Much 04 mustang gt 7.21 @ 98 Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: upstate sc Posts: 5,923 iTrader: 1 reviews	hooker, kooks, slp, and mac all work i believe. along with flowtech __________________ cams + 150 shot

February 5th, 2011, 11:07 PM	#6
86er I Post Entirely Way Too Much Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Memphis, TN Posts: 7,630 iTrader: 0 reviews	Not really, once the k member is out of the way, you just slip them up from the bottom and thats that __________________ Just a truck 5.4 3v: 264hp 317ft lbs rock stock The "search" button, its not just for porn piecing together the next project faster than your first sexual experience

February 5th, 2011, 11:27 PM	#7
mrbigjeep I Post Entirely Way Too Much 04 mustang gt 7.21 @ 98 Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: upstate sc Posts: 5,923 iTrader: 1 reviews	the longtubes do fit pretty close imo but they fit nonetheless __________________ cams + 150 shot

February 5th, 2011, 11:33 PM	#8
JoshDrex00gt Hardcore Enthusiast 2000 Mustang GT Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: South Carolina Posts: 1,539 iTrader: 0 reviews	yeah but k-member is an expensive add on to make headers fit __________________ ll 2000 Mustang GT : On3 Powered ll ll Pump Gas Dyno ll ll4R70W Gear Guide ll

February 5th, 2011, 11:35 PM	#9
mrbigjeep I Post Entirely Way Too Much 04 mustang gt 7.21 @ 98 Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: upstate sc Posts: 5,923 iTrader: 1 reviews	i think he was talking about dropping it to install them. but i got my full tubular front suspension including coil overs for 600 bucks brand new __________________ cams + 150 shot

February 5th, 2011, 11:59 PM	#11
JoshDrex00gt Hardcore Enthusiast 2000 Mustang GT Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: South Carolina Posts: 1,539 iTrader: 0 reviews	long-tubes are better for power none the less is all, just some say they have issues with an automatic, but i'd listen to casper and bigjeep over myself __________________ ll 2000 Mustang GT : On3 Powered ll ll Pump Gas Dyno ll ll4R70W Gear Guide ll

February 6th, 2011, 01:28 AM	#12
Scott2001GT BYAHHHH! 2001 Mustang GT 13.874 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Missouri Posts: 14,793 Blog Entries: 1 iTrader: 3 reviews	I'd go Mac. cheap and has good results. SLP is nice but the price tag is crazy! __________________ Precision Turbo\|TurboSmart\|TeamZ\|Strange\|Hellion\|BBK\|SCT\|Edge Converters\|Fairbanks\|CG Fabrications\|Treadstone

February 6th, 2011, 01:33 AM	#13
RALVAREZ26 Hardcore Enthusiast 2000 MUSTANG GT Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: DALLAS Posts: 1,333 iTrader: 0 reviews	i have MAC on my auto and my brother dropped the k-member to installed them. __________________ http://smokinperformance.com Slowmatic 2000 GT

February 6th, 2011, 01:38 AM	#15
JoshDrex00gt Hardcore Enthusiast 2000 Mustang GT Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: South Carolina Posts: 1,539 iTrader: 0 reviews	like i said based off what shops said, and if you go on bbk or bassani websites they don't offer long-tubes for the 99-04 mustang with an automatic transmsission __________________ ll 2000 Mustang GT : On3 Powered ll ll Pump Gas Dyno ll ll4R70W Gear Guide ll

February 6th, 2011, 01:42 AM	#16
Scott2001GT BYAHHHH! 2001 Mustang GT 13.874 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Missouri Posts: 14,793 Blog Entries: 1 iTrader: 3 reviews	don't BBK headers fit like shit? __________________ Precision Turbo\|TurboSmart\|TeamZ\|Strange\|Hellion\|BBK\|SCT\|Edge Converters\|Fairbanks\|CG Fabrications\|Treadstone

February 6th, 2011, 01:56 AM	#17
86er I Post Entirely Way Too Much Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Memphis, TN Posts: 7,630 iTrader: 0 reviews	anythink BBK fits like shit __________________ Just a truck 5.4 3v: 264hp 317ft lbs rock stock The "search" button, its not just for porn piecing together the next project faster than your first sexual experience

February 6th, 2011, 01:57 AM	#18
blkfordsedan Enthusiast 2004 Mustang GT Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Nebraska Posts: 684 iTrader: 0 reviews	Long tubes allow for higher exhaust gas velocity and help create a scavenging effect which can actually help in cylinder filling at higher RPM. They offer the best gains over the largest RPM range, but will require an aftermarket mid-pipe and can present problems with emissions certification (depending where you live). They are also fairly hard to install on our cars. Short tubes simply can't offer the advanges of long tubes, but the individual tubes for each port will reduce combustion dilution over the stock log type manifolds and also allow some heat to escape the exhaust port. Power gains are very small and typically only in a narrow RPM range. On the plus side, they do allow you to use the stock mid-pipe with the close mounted cats, are more emissions friendly and much easier to install. They can give a slight boost in performance over the factory manifolds, but most people feel they are not worth it unless you get a good deal on a set. Personally, I would go with a good aftermarket H or X pipe (off-road or with hi-flow cats) and stock manifolds or go all-out and get the long tubes. __________________ -Brian 2004 GT TR3650, MAC Straight Shot CAI, FRPP 70mm, TFS plenum, catted X-pipe, Pypes Violator polished 304SS cat-back, custom tuned by AM/Bama...... 4.10's - coming soon!

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February 6th, 2011, 07:37 AM	#20
99GT35thLE Hardcore Enthusiast 1999 GT 35th LE Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Jacksonville, Florida Posts: 1,428 iTrader: 0 reviews	+4 ^ __________________ Drive it like you stole it

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