[02StangGToWNEr]

Originally Posted by MeZ I hate to tell you bro ... cops can do alot of shit .. and if they find any reason to search your car .. then its free game ...

Well here in NY they can't, because if you know your rights then you have every right to refuse them. Having an uncle who's a state police officer & a friend who's in Criminal Justice, has helped me learn alot about my rights. So until they get a warrant, I would refuse them, and besides 99.9% of the time, as long as your smart about when and where you speed, & your properly equipped with a defuser & detector, and slow down, then you shouldn't be getting pulled over anyway.

[steve_stang2003]

Originally Posted by Ryno I wouls like to get a good detector... but they seem to be pretty exspensive... whats the best bang for the buck one out there?? and I have gotten a PJC for a ticket, and just had to pay the fine, no insurence or points.

Valentine 1
BEL RX65
Escort/Passport X50

...in that order.....

Go here to learn more about radar detectors than you could ever imagine:

http://www.radardetector.net/

I use a Valentine V1 and LOVE it.....

BTW don't even bother wasting your money on a cheap detector.
It's like buying a used rubber.......

[steve_stang2003]

Originally Posted by steve_stang2003 Originally Posted by Ryno I wouls like to get a good detector... but they seem to be pretty exspensive... whats the best bang for the buck one out there?? and I have gotten a PJC for a ticket, and just had to pay the fine, no insurence or points. Valentine 1 BEL RX65 Escort/Passport X50 ...in that order..... Go here to learn more about radar detectors than you could ever imagine: http://www.radardetector.net/ I use a Valentine V1 and LOVE it..... BTW don't even bother wasting your money on a cheap detector. It's like buying a used rubber.......

I forgot one thing, those 3 detectors are overall pretty much equal.
There is no clear winner and you can't go wrong with any of them.
Each one has it's strengths and weaknesses.

[02StangGToWNEr]

^K-40 are very good also. And they guarentee no tickets! You can check their's here:


http://www.k40.com/othe_defu.html

[neckbonekat]

Originally Posted by MeZ I hate to tell you bro ... cops can do alot of shit .. and if they find any reason to search your car .. then its free game ...

I guess maybe you live in Hazard county and Boss Hog does as he wants, but in NYS the cops do not ave the right to search your vrhicle without probable cause and even with probable cause they must get permission to look or touch anything not in plain view. They do not have the right to search closed or locked areas in a vehicle such as the glove box or the center console.
I've been through this twice. Certain towns up here are known for having racist police officers. I've been pulled over and they ask if they can have a look around. If you say no they can only look at what is in plain view from the outside of the car. If they find something illegal then they can continue to search. I stood next to my car for two hours because the little po' dunk town didn't have a police dog and they had to call for a state trooper dog. The cop was so sure he was going to find something because we were all black.
The state police were pissed that they had to drive over an hour with the drug sniffing dog to get there. Once the state trooper got there we told him he could search the car because he was cool. That pissed the other cop off more, because he kept telling us how it would go so much easier for us if we just gave him what we had and let him search the car for over an hour. He was so desperate he was going to try to bust me for having two excedrine in my back pack because they weren't in thier original container, but since they were clearly labeled on the pill there was nothing he could do. He has since been let go from the force. Come to find out he had a thing against black men because his sister was pregnant by one. LOL

[DanishStallion]

escort x50 all i need to say.

[DanishStallion]

actually stevestang said it all just in wrong order in my opinion anyways


Escort/Passport X50
Valentine 1
BEL RX65

[HickRocket1258]

I've got one of the Cobra 10 band ones or whatever. I know it is cheap but I got it for an xmas gift. Although in March it worked because I was going 80 on a 65 and then it started beeping and before you know it there was a cop, but he was just starting to pull out to catch someone else.

[amphibrecon]

Okay lets put this to rest, due to the fact that I think I am the only one so far that I have met on this forum that is "IN THE BUSINESS!"

First off radar detectors will work for some kinds of radar guns, but if you are using a radar Det. and the PO is using a Laser.........uh duh! the Det. does not work against the laser and most Dept. now days use laser. remember a radar Det. will pick up the waves from tha radar gun, due to the fact that the gun is constantly putting out a signal, but the laser does not. It is only activated when the trigger is pulled and by then....TOO SAD!!! TOO LATE!!!!

Second i have yet to see a defuser that will defeat a laser and you know what, even if it does defeat the laser, there is still a thing called BASIC SPEED RULE!!!! which can, will and is used due to the fact that PO's through traning and experience can say that your vehicle was traveling faster than the posted speed limit or faster than other traffic on the roadway, AND THAT IS ALL WE NEED MY FRIENDS!!!!! if you don't think that we can estimate speed due to working the same areas day after day and observing the flow of traffic, you are mistaken. Even if you do dispute the cite and take it to court, we are still getting paid double time to show up for court for a few hours!!!!!

Third search and seizure laws are different from state to state, the Federal Government set the guidelines which are pretty wide based and the states only have to match those guidelines, but the states cannot make theirs more obtrusive than the Feds. True about the locked glovebox, it is considered a closed container and does require a warrant or consent, but not in all instances, such as in a vehicle inventory search if your car is impounded. Believe me there are many ways "legally" if we wanted to we could get into any part of your vehicle we wanted.

WE HAVE MORE GAMES THAT PARKER BROTHERS!!! YOU CAN BELIEVE THAT!!!!! ALL LEGAL OF COURSE!!!

Alot of people on here say OH STUPID COPS!! or whatever, and that is fine but we will always have the last laugh!!!!!

I am not one to give out alot of speeding tags, but if I do stop someone for a traffic violation and they want to act like a FN' PUNK!!!! Happy days for me!!! again I get the last laugh!!!

Bottom line don't be stupid and street race someone! Dont' be a FN' PUNK when stopped, and don't go so fast over the speed limit you draw attention to yourself. Believe me I did not buy my Mustang to drive slow, but you gotta use your head also.

[amphibrecon]

Originally Posted by neckbonekat Originally Posted by MeZ I hate to tell you bro ... cops can do alot of shit .. and if they find any reason to search your car .. then its free game ... I guess maybe you live in Hazard county and Boss Hog does as he wants, but in NYS the cops do not ave the right to search your vrhicle without probable cause and even with probable cause they must get permission to look or touch anything not in plain view. They do not have the right to search closed or locked areas in a vehicle such as the glove box or the center console. I've been through this twice. Certain towns up here are known for having racist police officers. I've been pulled over and they ask if they can have a look around. If you say no they can only look at what is in plain view from the outside of the car. If they find something illegal then they can continue to search. I stood next to my car for two hours because the little po' dunk town didn't have a police dog and they had to call for a state trooper dog. The cop was so sure he was going to find something because we were all black. The state police were pissed that they had to drive over an hour with the drug sniffing dog to get there. Once the state trooper got there we told him he could search the car because he was cool. That pissed the other cop off more, because he kept telling us how it would go so much easier for us if we just gave him what we had and let him search the car for over an hour. He was so desperate he was going to try to bust me for having two excedrine in my back pack because they weren't in thier original container, but since they were clearly labeled on the pill there was nothing he could do. He has since been let go from the force. Come to find out he had a thing against black men because his sister was pregnant by one. LOL

I don't know if you knew this NECKBONE, but if you were stopped by that cop for two hours, you could have sued!!!! The FEDS set the resonable time limit for a traffic stop at about 45 minutes or a resonable time for the PO to write the citation. A TWO HOUR STOP!!! you should have pursued that case!!! I have the case law somewhere in one of my law books, he could have only kept you there that long if he had PC to do so.

[neckbonekat]

Originally Posted by amphibrecon Originally Posted by neckbonekat Originally Posted by MeZ I hate to tell you bro ... cops can do alot of shit .. and if they find any reason to search your car .. then its free game ... I guess maybe you live in Hazard county and Boss Hog does as he wants, but in NYS the cops do not ave the right to search your vrhicle without probable cause and even with probable cause they must get permission to look or touch anything not in plain view. They do not have the right to search closed or locked areas in a vehicle such as the glove box or the center console. I've been through this twice. Certain towns up here are known for having racist police officers. I've been pulled over and they ask if they can have a look around. If you say no they can only look at what is in plain view from the outside of the car. If they find something illegal then they can continue to search. I stood next to my car for two hours because the little po' dunk town didn't have a police dog and they had to call for a state trooper dog. The cop was so sure he was going to find something because we were all black. The state police were pissed that they had to drive over an hour with the drug sniffing dog to get there. Once the state trooper got there we told him he could search the car because he was cool. That pissed the other cop off more, because he kept telling us how it would go so much easier for us if we just gave him what we had and let him search the car for over an hour. He was so desperate he was going to try to bust me for having two excedrine in my back pack because they weren't in thier original container, but since they were clearly labeled on the pill there was nothing he could do. He has since been let go from the force. Come to find out he had a thing against black men because his sister was pregnant by one. LOL I don't know if you knew this NECKBONE, but if you were stopped by that cop for two hours, you could have sued!!!! The FEDS set the resonable time limit for a traffic stop at about 45 minutes or a resonable time for the PO to write the citation. A TWO HOUR STOP!!! you should have pursued that case!!! I have the case law somewhere in one of my law books, he could have only kept you there that long if he had PC to do so.

Damn it, now you tell me. That was some years ago. That was my first year of college. This girl had told us she lived right near this one park and hung out there all the time. We were just cruising by going well below the speed limit because we were looking to see if she was there and he started following us. After pulling us over he seperated us. I was told to stand at the front of my car one friend was told to stand at the back of his car and my other friend was told to stand on the other side of the rear of my car. His reputation as being racist was well know, but he was a cop in a three cop car town, where most of the residents were white so it didn't affect them. He had us standing there trying to convince me to let him search the car, but I kept refusing. He kept threatening to call in the state troopers and have them sniff out the car. "They'll be no brakes for any of you boys then. Is that what you want to go to jail for ten to twenty years?" He just kept saying that and it made me laugh, and that pissed him off more.

When the state police officer did rrive he was really cool. He got us all together and asked why we were pulled over. (That trooper was black, but the one with the dog was white) Like I said that cops reputation was well know, so as soon as I told him what happened he wwas told me this would just be easier if we gave him permission. I told him I didn't care if he searched because he wasn't a asshole loud enough for the other cop to hear it. The search took like 3 minutes and the two troopers gave us back our book bags and such and told us to go ahead. The original cop told us to hold on because he had more questions for us. The black state trooper stood there as he asked us what the excedrine was and told me it was illegal to carry medacine without it's original clearly labeled container. The trooper stepped in again and told him that the pills were clearly labeled and he told me to leave, so I got in my car. The cop tried to give me back the excedrine, but I told him he would need them more than me and pulled off. It was a lesson on how far some cops will go to harass you as well as on how good some cops can be.

[amphibrecon]

Yeah that is FN' BS!!! I can see how that could happen in a small town like that some people are still ignorant!! Yeah and as far as the stop being unreasonable for the time limit it's a FED case, so no matter what the state had to say he still violated your Civil Rights by keeping you there that long. Here is part of the case, which determined length of traffic stops. Keep in mind this case has to do with no other PC or RS just like yours.

In U.S. v. Guzman, 864 F.2d 1512 (10th Cir. 1988), overruled on other grounds U.S. v. Botero-Ospina, 71 F.3d 783, 787 (10th Cir. 1995), the court found that while conducting a routine traffic stop, an officer may request the driver's license and vehicle registration, run a computer check, and issue a citation. Once the driver has complied and produced his or her license and registration, if no information is obtained in the computer check, he or she must be allowed to go without further delay. In order to justify a further detention for questioning on matters not related to the original stop, the officer must have reasonable suspicion that the individual has committed or is committing some other crime. 864 F.2d at 1519.

In Guzman, the court noted that at the time of the stop, there was no objective evidence that the driver or the passenger had committed any more serious crime than the failure to wear their seat belts. After the officer checked Guzman's license, his authority to detain Guzman further was limited to issuing a warning or a citation. 864 F.2d at 1519. The Government apparently countered that because the traffic stop took less than 15 minutes, it was not unreasonable. The court noted that although the stop was of a short duration, the circumstances surrounding the stop, rather than any arbitrary time limit, governed the stop's permissible length. Under the facts presented, the stop unreasonably extended beyond the length necessary for its only legitimate purpose--the issuance of a warning or a citation for a seat belt violation. 864 F.2d at 1519 n.8; accord U.S. v. Walker, 933 F.2d at 815.

[neckbonekat]

Originally Posted by amphibrecon Yeah that is FN' BS!!! I can see how that could happen in a small town like that some people are still ignorant!! Yeah and as far as the stop being unreasonable for the time limit it's a FED case, so no matter what the state had to say he still violated your Civil Rights by keeping you there that long. Here is part of the case, which determined length of traffic stops. Keep in mind this case has to do with no other PC or RS just like yours. In U.S. v. Guzman, 864 F.2d 1512 (10th Cir. 1988), overruled on other grounds U.S. v. Botero-Ospina, 71 F.3d 783, 787 (10th Cir. 1995), the court found that while conducting a routine traffic stop, an officer may request the driver's license and vehicle registration, run a computer check, and issue a citation. Once the driver has complied and produced his or her license and registration, if no information is obtained in the computer check, he or she must be allowed to go without further delay. In order to justify a further detention for questioning on matters not related to the original stop, the officer must have reasonable suspicion that the individual has committed or is committing some other crime. 864 F.2d at 1519. In Guzman, the court noted that at the time of the stop, there was no objective evidence that the driver or the passenger had committed any more serious crime than the failure to wear their seat belts. After the officer checked Guzman's license, his authority to detain Guzman further was limited to issuing a warning or a citation. 864 F.2d at 1519. The Government apparently countered that because the traffic stop took less than 15 minutes, it was not unreasonable. The court noted that although the stop was of a short duration, the circumstances surrounding the stop, rather than any arbitrary time limit, governed the stop's permissible length. Under the facts presented, the stop unreasonably extended beyond the length necessary for its only legitimate purpose--the issuance of a warning or a citation for a seat belt violation. 864 F.2d at 1519 n.8; accord U.S. v. Walker, 933 F.2d at 815.

All good info to know Amp. Are you on the MM payroll yet? LOL

[amphibrecon]

Originally Posted by neckbonekat Originally Posted by amphibrecon Yeah that is FN' BS!!! I can see how that could happen in a small town like that some people are still ignorant!! Yeah and as far as the stop being unreasonable for the time limit it's a FED case, so no matter what the state had to say he still violated your Civil Rights by keeping you there that long. Here is part of the case, which determined length of traffic stops. Keep in mind this case has to do with no other PC or RS just like yours. In U.S. v. Guzman, 864 F.2d 1512 (10th Cir. 1988), overruled on other grounds U.S. v. Botero-Ospina, 71 F.3d 783, 787 (10th Cir. 1995), the court found that while conducting a routine traffic stop, an officer may request the driver's license and vehicle registration, run a computer check, and issue a citation. Once the driver has complied and produced his or her license and registration, if no information is obtained in the computer check, he or she must be allowed to go without further delay. In order to justify a further detention for questioning on matters not related to the original stop, the officer must have reasonable suspicion that the individual has committed or is committing some other crime. 864 F.2d at 1519. In Guzman, the court noted that at the time of the stop, there was no objective evidence that the driver or the passenger had committed any more serious crime than the failure to wear their seat belts. After the officer checked Guzman's license, his authority to detain Guzman further was limited to issuing a warning or a citation. 864 F.2d at 1519. The Government apparently countered that because the traffic stop took less than 15 minutes, it was not unreasonable. The court noted that although the stop was of a short duration, the circumstances surrounding the stop, rather than any arbitrary time limit, governed the stop's permissible length. Under the facts presented, the stop unreasonably extended beyond the length necessary for its only legitimate purpose--the issuance of a warning or a citation for a seat belt violation. 864 F.2d at 1519 n.8; accord U.S. v. Walker, 933 F.2d at 815. All good info to know Amp. Are you on the MM payroll yet? LOL

[hubba076]

Tickets are a shitty deal...Just another way for the Gov to make money. Anyway, in regards to the original post (63 in a 45) is not really that bad of a deal and can usually be argued in court (No attorney's or anything like that). One suggestion that I will make is to request a record of the radar gun that was used when you got pulled over and ask if the equiptment was priperly calibrated (preferibly at the time of being pulled over--for future reference). One of my buddies did this on the spot and got let off. But that was quite awhile ago and may not fly in this case because technology has gotten better since. It's worth a try though. I would agree with the other comments to get a radar dectector. I myself have a Cobra (fairly cheap $100 or less), but I plan on going with an Escort (Roughly $300) soon because of their ticket guarentee. Obvously it won't help you though if you doing say...100 in a 45. Good luck!

[Smoothgrandmama]

I got My first ticket on easter sunday doin' 73 in a 60 on highway.........................Oh but here's the kicker I WAS FOLLOWING MY PARENTS! THEY GOT PASSED BY SOME STUPID SIDEKICK JEEP THING 10 SEC BEFORE I GOT PULLED OVER.Ok I'm better There Went My perfect Record. The officer passed me 3-4 times following other cars.
Geuss they didn't Look/Sound Fast enough.