Before and after dyno runs with a powerpipe

scooter3 · November 15th, 2011, 11:20 AM

The shop that does all my work had a dyno day over the weekend so we thought we would see what kind of gains a powerpipe makes. We ran my car with the stock Vortech intake and then tossed on the powerpipe. It was an Anderson unit that was being used on a Procharger so we had to modify it a bit.

First video is with the Vortech intake and it made 370.57rwhp/367.88rwtq

Second video is with the powerpipe installed and it made 396.47rwhp/381.04rwtq. So a gain of about 25hp. Not too bad.

Looks like it is time for a powerpipe.

Dyno - YouTube

Dyno run with Powerpipe - YouTube

sj408 · November 15th, 2011, 11:22 AM

thats impressive, props for doing the before an after on that.

Shaun03GT · November 15th, 2011, 12:08 PM

That's pretty cool, should have done one with the blower open. A f1c saleen picked up 53rwhp and 36rwtq going from an afm power pipe to an open blower.

number1gt · November 15th, 2011, 04:13 PM

That's impressive

BLUE91GT · November 15th, 2011, 04:19 PM

Wow that's very impressive! Good stuff and congrats!

T-Lee. 30 · November 15th, 2011, 04:20 PM

Originally Posted by scooter3

The shop that does all my work had a dyno day over the weekend so we thought we would see what kind of gains a powerpipe makes. We ran my car with the stock Vortech intake and then tossed on the powerpipe. It was an Anderson unit that was being used on a Procharger so we had to modify it a bit.

First video is with the Vortech intake and it made 370.57rwhp/367.88rwtq

Second video is with the powerpipe installed and it made 396.47rwhp/381.04rwtq. So a gain of about 25hp. Not too bad.

Looks like it is time for a powerpipe.

Dyno - YouTube

Dyno run with Powerpipe - YouTube

Question for you scooter bc you seem to be down on power a bit I remember after you added that intercooler,slot maf, 3.33 pulley and got the retune you went up to 381rwhp /372 rwtq a bit over your non intercooled numbers. Did they tell you what could have made your power drop to 370rwhp/367rwtq?

cbjohnson9 · November 15th, 2011, 04:58 PM

Did they tweak the tune at all after powerpipe installation or is that raw data with the powerpipe being the only change?

scooter3 · November 15th, 2011, 05:05 PM

Originally Posted by Rockwell29

Question for you scooter bc you seem to be down on power a bit I remember after you added that intercooler,slot maf, 3.33 pulley and got the retune you went up to 381rwhp /372 rwtq a bit over your non intercooled numbers. Did they tell you what could have made your power drop to 370rwhp/367rwtq?

Not sure really. I was the last one on the dyno and it was getting warmer outside. The 381rwhp came from runs on a cold day in December and I was the only one in the shop. Still have to get the powerpipe on and he will run it and tune it at that time.

Originally Posted by cbjohnson9

Did they tweak the tune at all after powerpipe installation or is that raw data with the powerpipe being the only change?

No they did not tweak the tune. This was raw data. He will retune it after the pipe gets installed permanently.

T-Lee. 30 · November 15th, 2011, 05:08 PM

Originally Posted by scooter3

Not sure really. I was the last one on the dyno and it was getting warmer outside. The 381rwhp came from runs on a cold day in December and I was the only one in the shop. Still have to get the powerpipe on and he will run it and tune it at that time.

No they did not tweak the tune. This was raw data. He will retune it after the pipe gets installed permanently.

there is the answer right there within your response I gotcha! the weather can make a bit of a difference.

0949er · November 15th, 2011, 05:27 PM

I gained ~30 hp from going from dynos in 100+ degree bay to 70 degrees

mustanginky · November 15th, 2011, 07:47 PM

ya temps will play a huge role

props to do that, that's very neat to see. that's mm&ff stuff right there without all the stroking magazines do to advertisers.

did your a/f ratio stay safe or change much? i always heard you'd need a retune

blownstang · November 15th, 2011, 08:18 PM

Very nice. Powerpipes usually gain 1-2psi so 26rwhp from a 2psi gain on an intercooled setup sounds about right.

Shaun03GT · November 15th, 2011, 08:19 PM

He did the comparison the very same day. Made a pull, then put the powerpipe on.

T-Lee. 30 · November 15th, 2011, 08:35 PM

Originally Posted by Shaun03GT

He did the comparison the very same day. Made a pull, then put the powerpipe on.

as far as his power difference i was asking bc when he had it dynoed months and months ago after his intercooler instal his power numbers were the ones thats in his sig. But when he just put it on the dyno before the power pipe his numbers were a bit lower than when he last had it dynoed months and months ago but the weather was alot different vs when he got it done like months and months vs when he just got it dynoed again recently.

it was cooler when he first dynoed it but it was warmer when he just had it dynoed so his numbers were lower.
i was asking him why the numbers were lower than what they were about a year or so ago but it seems as if the warmer weather was the cause of the lower numbers.

Re-tuned with intercooler

blownstang · November 15th, 2011, 08:46 PM

Warmer weather, possibly some belt stretch so the car could have been down about 1 psi.

scooter3 · November 15th, 2011, 08:50 PM

They had been doing back to back runs on the dyno and it was hot so that may have played a part also. Almost 20 cars before mine hit the rollers. Overall I was very impresed ith the gains. I don't think I want to push the car much more over that limit for fear of blowing the engine.

They were not doing anything with AFR's so I don't know if it was any different. The guy running the cars said mine was still pulling when he left off so there might be more in it. When I get it installed I will run it again to see what final numbers and AFR's are.

Nitmare67 · November 15th, 2011, 09:14 PM

Most power pipes I've seen on back to back runs with the normal 3.6 vortech pulley pick up about 1lb and 10rwhp. Still not bad. I've heard (not seen) but another user added on that was running 13lbs of boost and it jumped to 15.5lbs and picked up 30rwhp. I still need to put mine on but what I wonder out of all this is can you FEEL the difference in power before and after.

Nitmare67 · November 15th, 2011, 09:16 PM

I'm sure the best dyno numbers come from no filter or just a filter on the blower itself (blow through maf) with the hood open and fans on the car. But i bet the best numbers for driving come with a power pipe, hood down and the filter in the fender well. The engine bay gets over 200 degrees stopped and nots not nearly as cool as the fender even when doing 60mph. I would think the plain filter would suck a ton of heat pulling air right behind the radiator.

T-Lee. 30 · November 15th, 2011, 09:32 PM

Originally Posted by scooter3

Overall I was very impresed ith the gains. I don't think I want to push the car much more over that limit for fear of blowing the engine.

.

Definately feel you on that note and those are all nice numbers bro.

MATT02GT · November 16th, 2011, 12:28 AM

The powerpipe also worked great with my procharger. It's a must for the centri guys imo

November 15th, 2011, 11:20 AM	#1
scooter3 Regular 2003 GT Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Arizona Posts: 153 iTrader: 0 reviews	Before and after dyno runs with a powerpipe The shop that does all my work had a dyno day over the weekend so we thought we would see what kind of gains a powerpipe makes. We ran my car with the stock Vortech intake and then tossed on the powerpipe. It was an Anderson unit that was being used on a Procharger so we had to modify it a bit. First video is with the Vortech intake and it made 370.57rwhp/367.88rwtq Second video is with the powerpipe installed and it made 396.47rwhp/381.04rwtq. So a gain of about 25hp. Not too bad. Looks like it is time for a powerpipe. Dyno - YouTube Dyno run with Powerpipe - YouTube __________________ 2003 GT V2 SQ intercooled, SCT tune, MRT catted H-Pipe, Edelbrock catback, FRPP 3.73's, MGW shifter 242rwhp/286rwtq NA 381rwhp/372rwtq V2 My DD

November 15th, 2011, 12:08 PM	#3
Shaun03GT I Post Entirely Way Too Much 2003 Mustang GT 1/8 - 7.92 @ 91.13mph 1/4 - 12.21 @ 115.84mph Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Weymouth, MA Posts: 13,444 iTrader: 12 reviews	That's pretty cool, should have done one with the blower open. A f1c saleen picked up 53rwhp and 36rwtq going from an afm power pipe to an open blower. __________________ Vortech V1 Intercooled @ 11psi 394rwhp/392rwtq @ 9.5psi 415rwhp/400rwtq @ 11psi on Methanol Tuned By: Pete @ Performance Dyno Affordable Supercharger Build Guide Supercharger Info for Noobs

November 15th, 2011, 04:13 PM	#4
number1gt Hardcore Enthusiast 2002 mustang gt Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 1,896 iTrader: 1 reviews	That's impressive __________________ Rock stock

November 15th, 2011, 04:19 PM	#5
BLUE91GT Enthusiast 2002 Mustang GT Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: SONOMA COUNTY Posts: 508 iTrader: 1 reviews	Wow that's very impressive! Good stuff and congrats! __________________ 02 GT- TF TB/ upper, flows, steeda triax, steeda UDP, BBK CAI, H&R SS springs, Steeda SFC, Poly bushings, AGX shocks/struts, MM CC plates, Steeda bump steer, Chrome Cobra R's, Rear control arm kit.

November 15th, 2011, 04:58 PM	#7
cbjohnson9 Enthusiast 2001 Mustang GT Vert. Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Kansas City Posts: 860 iTrader: 0 reviews	Did they tweak the tune at all after powerpipe installation or is that raw data with the powerpipe being the only change? __________________ Mods in garage

November 15th, 2011, 11:22 AM	#2
sj408 Hardcore Enthusiast Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 2,055 iTrader: 0 reviews	thats impressive, props for doing the before an after on that.

November 15th, 2011, 05:27 PM	#10
0949er MM Fanatic 2004 Mustang GT 12.85 @ 114 Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Charlotte Posts: 3,224 iTrader: 0 reviews	I gained ~30 hp from going from dynos in 100+ degree bay to 70 degrees __________________ MODS: Vortech V1 T-Trim @ 7.5 PSI (tuned down) Comp Cam Stage 2's + more 432 rwhp / 396 rwtq 02/27/2011 NEW VIDEOS! It takes ~$60 a rwhp (over stock) for a 99-04 Mustang GT. Do the Math C2H5OH on the horizon

November 15th, 2011, 07:47 PM	#11
mustanginky MM Fanatic 2000 gt Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: La grange, KY Posts: 4,259 iTrader: 2 reviews	ya temps will play a huge role props to do that, that's very neat to see. that's mm&ff stuff right there without all the stroking magazines do to advertisers. did your a/f ratio stay safe or change much? i always heard you'd need a retune __________________ Procharged 2000 5 Speed BAB GT, built motor, blower cams, speedy dyno tune 412 hp, 450 rw tq HARDCORE CREW BRIGHT ATLANTIC BLUE CREW #1 MEMBER

November 15th, 2011, 08:18 PM	#12
blownstang Hardcore Enthusiast Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 2,551 iTrader: 1 reviews	Very nice. Powerpipes usually gain 1-2psi so 26rwhp from a 2psi gain on an intercooled setup sounds about right. __________________ 2003 DSG Mustang GT 5spd Full Bolt On's, Suspension, Built Rear, V1 S N/A: 266/300, 3,550lbs, 13.44 @ 100.5 1.77 60' Non-intercooled: 356/371, 3,575lbs, 12.81 @ 110.47 1.86 60' Intercooled: 362/370

November 15th, 2011, 08:19 PM	#13
Shaun03GT I Post Entirely Way Too Much 2003 Mustang GT 1/8 - 7.92 @ 91.13mph 1/4 - 12.21 @ 115.84mph Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Weymouth, MA Posts: 13,444 iTrader: 12 reviews	He did the comparison the very same day. Made a pull, then put the powerpipe on. __________________ Vortech V1 Intercooled @ 11psi 394rwhp/392rwtq @ 9.5psi 415rwhp/400rwtq @ 11psi on Methanol Tuned By: Pete @ Performance Dyno Affordable Supercharger Build Guide Supercharger Info for Noobs

November 15th, 2011, 08:46 PM	#15
blownstang Hardcore Enthusiast Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 2,551 iTrader: 1 reviews	Warmer weather, possibly some belt stretch so the car could have been down about 1 psi. __________________ 2003 DSG Mustang GT 5spd Full Bolt On's, Suspension, Built Rear, V1 S N/A: 266/300, 3,550lbs, 13.44 @ 100.5 1.77 60' Non-intercooled: 356/371, 3,575lbs, 12.81 @ 110.47 1.86 60' Intercooled: 362/370

November 15th, 2011, 08:50 PM	#16
scooter3 Regular 2003 GT Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Arizona Posts: 153 iTrader: 0 reviews	They had been doing back to back runs on the dyno and it was hot so that may have played a part also. Almost 20 cars before mine hit the rollers. Overall I was very impresed ith the gains. I don't think I want to push the car much more over that limit for fear of blowing the engine. They were not doing anything with AFR's so I don't know if it was any different. The guy running the cars said mine was still pulling when he left off so there might be more in it. When I get it installed I will run it again to see what final numbers and AFR's are. __________________ 2003 GT V2 SQ intercooled, SCT tune, MRT catted H-Pipe, Edelbrock catback, FRPP 3.73's, MGW shifter 242rwhp/286rwtq NA 381rwhp/372rwtq V2 My DD

November 15th, 2011, 09:14 PM	#17
Nitmare67 Hardcore Enthusiast Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 1,391 iTrader: 0 reviews	Most power pipes I've seen on back to back runs with the normal 3.6 vortech pulley pick up about 1lb and 10rwhp. Still not bad. I've heard (not seen) but another user added on that was running 13lbs of boost and it jumped to 15.5lbs and picked up 30rwhp. I still need to put mine on but what I wonder out of all this is can you FEEL the difference in power before and after. __________________ 99 Mustang GT 446rwhp, Vortech Aftercooled, Killer Chiller @12lbs, HPX, 3.73s, MGW, Battery Relocation, Intercooler Tank Relocated, CF DF clutch, Steeda Quick Release Quadrant, 75mm TB, Ported C&L Plenum, Stock PI Cams Advance 4 degrees, Pro Chamber

November 15th, 2011, 09:16 PM	#18
Nitmare67 Hardcore Enthusiast Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 1,391 iTrader: 0 reviews	I'm sure the best dyno numbers come from no filter or just a filter on the blower itself (blow through maf) with the hood open and fans on the car. But i bet the best numbers for driving come with a power pipe, hood down and the filter in the fender well. The engine bay gets over 200 degrees stopped and nots not nearly as cool as the fender even when doing 60mph. I would think the plain filter would suck a ton of heat pulling air right behind the radiator. __________________ 99 Mustang GT 446rwhp, Vortech Aftercooled, Killer Chiller @12lbs, HPX, 3.73s, MGW, Battery Relocation, Intercooler Tank Relocated, CF DF clutch, Steeda Quick Release Quadrant, 75mm TB, Ported C&L Plenum, Stock PI Cams Advance 4 degrees, Pro Chamber

November 16th, 2011, 12:28 AM	#20
MATT02GT The Mean Green Join Date: May 2007 Location: Colo. Springs, CO Posts: 4,164 iTrader: 1 reviews	The powerpipe also worked great with my procharger. It's a must for the centri guys imo __________________ Its not how fast you drive, but how you drive fast. 2002 Mustang GT... Just The Usual Bolt-Ons Bolt on list in Garage..

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