[NickPohlAandP]

Just like the title says, has anyone used it? I'm trying to find out information about it. I'd like to talk to someone on the phone about it but when I click "contact us" on any of the sites it directs me to an email.

[dhicks7806]

+1 I was wondering the same thing...how does it compare to SCT live wire an what's the interface like??


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[NickPohlAandP]

I think that the Delta Force is more comprehensive than the SCT from what little information I've been able to find on them. I'm waiting on a call from DeltaForceTuning.com to answer some more questions. If anyone else can chime in it would be helpful.

[casper gt]

delta force tuning software has is pros & cons but pales miserably in comparison to sct's pro racer software.

that said, with your mod, plans, etc, just let a pro tune it on a dyno.

[NickPohlAandP]

Well I've tuned engines before on an engine dyno using Electromotive Tec2 computers. I am thinking I could recoup some of the cost if I could tune friends cars as well. I just want to know more about how the software works, how comprehensive is it?

[casper gt]

Originally Posted by NickPohlAandP Well I've tuned engines before on an engine dyno using Electromotive Tec2 computers. I am thinking I could recoup some of the cost if I could tune friends cars as well. I just want to know more about how the software works, how comprehensive is it?

it's somewhat comprehensive, buy has huge limitation/bugs. you would have to be retarded to try & tune other peoples car with it because of the amount of revisions you'll have to make (I watched guys fight with their software for years to get it right, only to give up & let a pro do it) & their software doesn't work on auto cars (I know they think it does, but ask around, it doesn't)

if your dead set on tuning your own car just give Don a call & buy the pro racer package off him along with the cd & manual.

you can reach Don here, http://www.lasotaracing.com/

[DickH]

Rabid Stang can help you out, pm him.

[ChrisJ]

Originally Posted by casper gt delta force tuning software has is pros & cons but pales miserably in comparison to sct's pro racer software. that said, with your mod, plans, etc, just let a pro tune it on a dyno.

This...

Look up the Sniper vs SCT debates...Notice they dont go on anymore? No one uses them...

[Rabid Stang]

I use them everyday and have tuned with both....I don't know why you guys give your opinions as fact without actually using them on a daily basis. I used SCT exclusively for 3 years and then was shown the proper way to tune with Sniper and have used it since.

[ChrisJ]

Originally Posted by Rabid Stang I use them everyday and have tuned with both....I don't know why you guys give your opinions as fact without actually using them on a daily basis. I used SCT exclusively for 3 years and then was shown the proper way to tune with Sniper and have used it since.

No stated their opinion as fact...

Also FYI I just noticed your sig is an advertisement...PM coming your way...

[casper gt]

Originally Posted by Rabid Stang I use them everyday and have tuned with both....I don't know why you guys give your opinions as fact without actually using them on a daily basis. I used SCT exclusively for 3 years and then was shown the proper way to tune with Sniper and have used it since.

seeing as how your a "pro" & use them every day, & you had to be "shown" how to use the software, how do you think the average guy is supposed to figure out the quirks with their system?

I hve personally watched 20+ people (including myself) give sniper/delta force a try & only know one guy still holding out.

mabie they have their place, but not in the hands of a novice user, which is exactly who they market it to.

[Rabid Stang]

Being shown how, meaning I was told so use the help key if I was unsure about the parameter. I also have read all the books etc and would recommend anyone trying to tune thier own car to read them as well. There are no parameters in SCT's software that isnt in the Delta Force software and for the "Handheld" people you are referring to, the Special Forces software will be easy and sufficient enough to do what they are looking for with better results than that of a "canned" sct or diablo tune.

[Rabid Stang]

Originally Posted by ChrisJ No stated their opinion as fact... Also FYI I just noticed your sig is an advertisement...PM coming your way...

Hey that's no problem about the sig i will remove it.

You stated the debate is over and nobody uses them...hence a fact in my book. In fact I do very well selling them and tuning with them, sorry the debate is over in your mind. Coming from someone who has used both to tune customers cars and on my own personal vehicles (oh that's right I own two heavily modded mustangs) I took issue to your comment and stated as much. There are tuners who tune with all three and there are tuners who chose to stay with the one that best fits their needs when tuning, that is the only fact here.

[bottled2v]

I have the special forces tuner and IMO it sucks. Like stated none of the Trans functions work. Nbd if you're a 5speed tho. It is really easy to use however, and I hear the commando software is MUCH better. However I tried doing a nitrous tune and it didn't pull any timing, I'm surprised I didn't blow a few pistons apart because of it.

[ChrisJ]

Originally Posted by Rabid Stang Hey that's no problem about the sig i will remove it. You stated the debate is over and nobody uses them...hence a fact in my book. In fact I do very well selling them and tuning with them, sorry the debate is over in your mind. Coming from someone who has used both to tune customers cars and on my own personal vehicles (oh that's right I own two heavily modded mustangs) I took issue to your comment and stated as much. There are tuners who tune with all three and there are tuners who chose to stay with the one that best fits their needs when tuning, that is the only fact here.

So what you are saying its better for him to use the sniper stuff that you just so happen to sell as apposed to going and getting his car dyno tuned?

You are looking at this as a Tuner I am looking at it as a user...I never claimed to be a tuner...And what I say is not to be construed as me saying its fact unless I say its a fact...The internet is opinion based...Thats why we have the liability statement...As a user DFT/Sniper is not very friendly IMHO...To me DFT/Sniper is awesome for a tuner or someone that has a background in tuning but when it comes to a user who doesnt know the parameters and just want to be able to load a tune or have their tuner do the work SCT works great...I ran SCT for 10+ years and NEVER had an issue with it...90% of the people I have seen use DFT/Sniper have not been happy with it...Hell just ask WLJohnson05...He spents months and months going to a sniper tuner who never could get it right...he took it to DTP (Dynotuned Performance who use SCT and Diablo) and the car was up and running like a dream in under an hour...

You really think I never owned a heavily modified mustang? I have done my fair share of mutts...And owned heavily modified mustang for over 10 years now...

The fact is that 90% of the tuners in the US use SCT or Diablo...

Tuning Question (DIYers chime in)

Sniper tuner questions

The Great Tuner Debate

Tuner

sniper software

sct xcal 2 vs sniper tuning - NorCal SVTOA Forums

Sniper Delta Force or SCT Pro package???? - MustangForums.com

Delta Force tuning vs SCT - Ford Powerstroke Diesel Forum

Delta Force vs. SCT Xcal3 - F150online Forums

http://www.snipertuningforums.com/vi...hp?f=16&t=3548

These are all just a quick google search away...

DFT/Sniper could be a great tuning tool...But in the hands of people who havent taken the classes or dont have a background in tuning how good do you think it will be? Seriously? Do you think it will end well for them?

[ChrisJ]

Originally Posted by casper gt delta force tuning software has is pros & cons but pales miserably in comparison to sct's pro racer software. that said, with your mod, plans, etc, just let a pro tune it on a dyno.

This

[WickedSnake00]

I had heard good things about it from one guy that was a die hard Mustang fan.

With that the caveat is that it was to do his own tuning, and he didn't go with anything more agressive than a centri powered stock longblock car.

If I was just going to get someone else to tune it, no doubt I'd use SCT. And if I was insanely skilled at tuning myself, back to SCT for the Pro Racer Package. However it seems like Delta fills that niche between having nothing to do with tuning, and knowing everything. It might even be a stepping stone to learning.

I'd say it's something I would contemplate, based on my background in engine controls systems.

[Rabid Stang]

Originally Posted by ChrisJ So what you are saying its better for him to use the sniper stuff that you just so happen to sell as apposed to going and getting his car dyno tuned? You are looking at this as a Tuner I am looking at it as a user...I never claimed to be a tuner...And what I say is not to be construed as me saying its fact unless I say its a fact...The internet is opinion based...Thats why we have the liability statement...As a user DFT/Sniper is not very friendly IMHO...To me DFT/Sniper is awesome for a tuner or someone that has a background in tuning but when it comes to a user who doesnt know the parameters and just want to be able to load a tune or have their tuner do the work SCT works great...I ran SCT for 10+ years and NEVER had an issue with it...90% of the people I have seen use DFT/Sniper have not been happy with it...Hell just ask WLJohnson05...He spents months and months going to a sniper tuner who never could get it right...he took it to DTP (Dynotuned Performance who use SCT and Diablo) and the car was up and running like a dream in under an hour... You really think I never owned a heavily modified mustang? I have done my fair share of mutts...And owned heavily modified mustang for over 10 years now... The fact is that 90% of the tuners in the US use SCT or Diablo... Tuning Question (DIYers chime in) Sniper tuner questions The Great Tuner Debate Tuner sniper software sct xcal 2 vs sniper tuning - NorCal SVTOA Forums Sniper Delta Force or SCT Pro package???? - MustangForums.com Delta Force tuning vs SCT - Ford Powerstroke Diesel Forum Delta Force vs. SCT Xcal3 - F150online Forums http://www.snipertuningforums.com/vi...hp?f=16&t=3548 These are all just a quick google search away... DFT/Sniper could be a great tuning tool...But in the hands of people who havent taken the classes or dont have a background in tuning how good do you think it will be? Seriously? Do you think it will end well for them?

You think I am saying that I like them better because I sell them...I sell SCT and Diablo as well. Matter of fact the mark up on SCT stuff is actually higher for me. I'm not saying it to sell it to anyone, I'm stating my experience tuning not only my vehicles but those of my customers with all three brands.

I haven't had the complaints of it not working ect that your describing...from any of my customers. Have there been customers that needed their Special Forces tune tweaked after datalogging it? Absolutely, and I offer that for free.

So I am not here to sell "my product", I was giving an opinion that differs from yours and caspers about the product itself.

I also do not know the last time either of you actually used the software but there have been updates etc for it as well. The OP asked for opinions so now he has a bunch of them that differ and he will have to decide for himself what he needs.

[dhicks7806]

So what advice would you guys give to someone who wanted to get into tuning on their own? Books, systems, general info etc... I believe I have a decent understanding of how everything works together and would like to start tuning my own cars. I would probably still use a pro to "check my work" at first but would ultimately like to be self sufficient

[Rabid Stang]

Start out by reading as much as you can about the subject... a great source no matter which software you chose to use is here... PDF Publishing - LaSota Racing