Cams..

02gtmustang · January 5th, 2012, 01:29 PM

So i had some cms stage 2's and ported some heads an had some .600 lift springs... Long story short got broke as hell had to sell it all... Well income tax is near an i want a decen gain... But don want to have to do valve springs etc... So im limited to some stage 1's or the hi tech stage 2's... But i saw some where that hitech is having ptv issues? Whats that about? People not timing them im guessing? Im looking real hard at the cms stage 1's... They sound decent and dont require springs... Yalls opinions please?

NickPohlAandP · January 5th, 2012, 01:35 PM

Whatever cams you get you will be fine as long as you degree them.

dhicks7806 · January 5th, 2012, 01:35 PM

From what I have heard, the only thing wrong with the hi techs is that they are not "drop in" as advertised. They need to be degreed to allow for the necessary PTV clearance.

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BaznastyDave · January 5th, 2012, 01:51 PM

The CMS Stage II's need springs and are like $700 something shipped, mine are just dropped in and not degreed, the HiTech's dont need springs

03_StangGuy · January 5th, 2012, 02:07 PM

Originally Posted by dhicks7806

From what I have heard, the only thing wrong with the hi techs is that they are not "drop in" as advertised. They need to be degreed to allow for the necessary PTV clearance.

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No cams are drop in. Due to variations in cam and crank gears, as much a several degrees, every cam should be degree'd to insure its lined up properly.

I used Modular Head shops degree service with my cams and it worked great.

02gtmustang · January 5th, 2012, 02:08 PM

I no longer have my stage 2's i had everything but the money to install and then money got tight an i had to sell them... So thats why im looking at the stage 1's... I dont wanna have to buy springs again... So would yall say the hightech stage 2's are better than the cms stage 1's or comparable stage 1's?

95mustangGT/SVT · January 5th, 2012, 03:17 PM

I would go stage one for sure. I always hear about PTV clearance issues on these cars. Some people say that stage one cams will occasionally have PTV issues. Because you are not having notched pistons I would do stage one cams. They sound good and have a more streetable power curve.

03_StangGuy · January 5th, 2012, 03:27 PM

Originally Posted by 95mustangGT/SVT

I would go stage one for sure. I always hear about PTV clearance issues on these cars. Some people say that stage one cams will occasionally have PTV issues. Because you are not having notched pistons I would do stage one cams. They sound good and have a more streetable power curve.

The problem is the cam gears. The index notch cam be off and when you think your cams are at 110 ICL its really 115.

NickPohlAandP · January 5th, 2012, 03:41 PM

When I degreed my new cams on was advanced 7 degrees and the other was retarded 5 degrees. If I used stock gears and just "trusted" that they would be fine, I woulda been leaving a lot of power on the table... if I didn't grenade my engine.

02gtmustang · January 5th, 2012, 04:56 PM

Whats a typical gain with the hitech stage 2's

NeverEnuff · January 5th, 2012, 10:25 PM

Holy Crap. Ppl are starting to get it on here. All I can do is clap. Kudos guys. Kudos.

Bottom line. Degree your cams. Period. Check PTVC.

number1gt · January 5th, 2012, 11:13 PM

Originally Posted by NickPohlAandP

When I degreed my new cams on was advanced 7 degrees and the other was retarded 5 degrees. If I used stock gears and just "trusted" that they would be fine, I woulda been leaving a lot of power on the table... if I didn't grenade my engine.

Did you ever think that the previous owner didn't install your old cams properly? Im not saying you shouldn't degree them because you should but im just saying since one was advanced and the other bitch was retarded

03_StangGuy · January 6th, 2012, 09:54 AM

Originally Posted by number1gt

Did you ever think that the previous owner didn't install your old cams properly? Im not saying you shouldn't degree them because you should but im just saying since one was advanced and the other bitch was retarded

Its known that the factory cams cam be this way from the factory. The factory tolerances are several percent. Even at just one percent error of 360 degrees you have 3.6 degrees of play. Chances are the factory tolerances are a few percent so 5 percent +/- would be completely acceptable by factory standards.

463 · January 6th, 2012, 10:11 AM

I "dropped" in Comp 262's and haven't ran into any problems. I did a mail order tune and picked up 2mph in the quarter with no other changes other than cams.

I'm sure a cam degree and dyno tune would net more power but it wasn't worth the money or time for me to go through the hassle since the car only has maybe 290rwhp and gets spanked all day long by all of my friends 03 cobras and ls1s!

NickPohlAandP · January 6th, 2012, 11:36 AM

Originally Posted by number1gt

Did you ever think that the previous owner didn't install your old cams properly? Im not saying you shouldn't degree them because you should but im just saying since one was advanced and the other bitch was retarded

What I said has nothing to do with the previous owner. I installed new cams with new adjustable gears. What I was saying is if with my adjustable gears were set to zero then one cam would've been advanced and the other retarded. I was simply pointing out the importance of degreeing your cams.

kyle2002stang! · January 6th, 2012, 12:13 PM

here, read through this thread.

HP292s Cams Discounted...So Check This Out

03_StangGuy · January 6th, 2012, 12:19 PM

Originally Posted by 463

I "dropped" in Comp 262's and haven't ran into any problems. I did a mail order tune and picked up 2mph in the quarter with no other changes other than cams.

I'm sure a cam degree and dyno tune would net more power but it wasn't worth the money or time for me to go through the hassle since the car only has maybe 290rwhp and gets spanked all day long by all of my friends 03 cobras and ls1s!

You got lucky. Its a crap shoot how "off" your cams/gears are.

Originally Posted by NickPohlAandP

What I said has nothing to do with the previous owner. I installed new cams with new adjustable gears. What I was saying is if with my adjustable gears were set to zero then one cam would've been advanced and the other retarded. I was simply pointing out the importance of degreeing your cams.

This is different that what I was refering to. What cams do you have that they were made so far off?

number1gt · January 6th, 2012, 03:03 PM

Originally Posted by NickPohlAandP

What I said has nothing to do with the previous owner. I installed new cams with new adjustable gears. What I was saying is if with my adjustable gears were set to zero then one cam would've been advanced and the other retarded. I was simply pointing out the importance of degreeing your cams.

Ah shit, I misread that, I thought you were saying your old engine was advanced on one side and retard on the other...I remember you saying your cams on your old engine were installed by the previous owner, I forgot you got a new engine and had to start from nothing

my misunderstanding

BakerFX4 · January 6th, 2012, 07:10 PM

Originally Posted by 03_StangGuy

No cams are drop in. Due to variations in cam and crank gears, as much a several degrees, every cam should be degree'd to insure its lined up properly.

I used Modular Head shops degree service with my cams and it worked great.

Just curious, what did that end up costing you to send them, degree them, and send them back?

Nitmare67 · January 6th, 2012, 09:49 PM

For a street car i love the XE262AH cams.

January 5th, 2012, 01:29 PM	#1
02gtmustang Hardcore Enthusiast 2002 Mustang GT 13.4@101 wheel spin Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Orange Grove,TX Posts: 1,398 iTrader: 0 reviews	Cams.. So i had some cms stage 2's and ported some heads an had some .600 lift springs... Long story short got broke as hell had to sell it all... Well income tax is near an i want a decen gain... But don want to have to do valve springs etc... So im limited to some stage 1's or the hi tech stage 2's... But i saw some where that hitech is having ptv issues? Whats that about? People not timing them im guessing? Im looking real hard at the cms stage 1's... They sound decent and dont require springs... Yalls opinions please? __________________ 02 GT K&N CAI no cats FRPP drop diablo programmer cherry bomb mufflers MGW short throw shifter TFS UDP's 3.73's... Looking into some shorty headers upper intake got a 75mm tb waiting ... Ironhorsemotorsports.com for all your ford needs!

January 5th, 2012, 01:35 PM	#2
NickPohlAandP I like boobs!!! 2000 GT convertible dunno Join Date: May 2011 Location: Brooklet, GA Posts: 2,827 iTrader: 2 reviews	Whatever cams you get you will be fine as long as you degree them. __________________ Last time you voted to prove you aren't racist. This time prove you're not an IDIOT!!! My Garage--->http://www.moddedmustangs.com/forums...-member-46919/

January 5th, 2012, 01:35 PM	#3
dhicks7806 Regular 2003 Mustang GT Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Palmerton PA Posts: 252 iTrader: 0 reviews	From what I have heard, the only thing wrong with the hi techs is that they are not "drop in" as advertised. They need to be degreed to allow for the necessary PTV clearance. Sent from my Autoguide iPhone app __________________ '03 GT w/BBK CAI, MAC Pro chamber, Borla Stingers, MGW Orange, SCT X3, and some make it sexy mods '89 GT 5.0 w/full bolt ons-SOLD '04 STi w/ A'pexi N1 catback and accessport-SOLD '00 Audi A6 2.7t stock - DD/Wifey's whip

January 5th, 2012, 01:51 PM	#4
BaznastyDave MM Fanatic 2004 Mustang Join Date: May 2010 Location: NC Posts: 4,336 iTrader: 4 reviews	The CMS Stage II's need springs and are like $700 something shipped, mine are just dropped in and not degreed, the HiTech's dont need springs __________________ 305/333 WHP/WTQ with CMS Stage II cams 440/552 WHP/WTQ on Spray 7.86 @ 89.1mph, 1.61 60 foot N/A 7.20 @ 98.8MPH 1.55 60 foot on spray Stock Longblock with Cams

January 5th, 2012, 02:08 PM	#6
02gtmustang Hardcore Enthusiast 2002 Mustang GT 13.4@101 wheel spin Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Orange Grove,TX Posts: 1,398 iTrader: 0 reviews	I no longer have my stage 2's i had everything but the money to install and then money got tight an i had to sell them... So thats why im looking at the stage 1's... I dont wanna have to buy springs again... So would yall say the hightech stage 2's are better than the cms stage 1's or comparable stage 1's? __________________ 02 GT K&N CAI no cats FRPP drop diablo programmer cherry bomb mufflers MGW short throw shifter TFS UDP's 3.73's... Looking into some shorty headers upper intake got a 75mm tb waiting ... Ironhorsemotorsports.com for all your ford needs!

January 5th, 2012, 03:17 PM	#7
95mustangGT/SVT Enthusiast 2001 Gt Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: PA Posts: 915 iTrader: 0 reviews	I would go stage one for sure. I always hear about PTV clearance issues on these cars. Some people say that stage one cams will occasionally have PTV issues. Because you are not having notched pistons I would do stage one cams. They sound good and have a more streetable power curve.

January 5th, 2012, 03:41 PM	#9
NickPohlAandP I like boobs!!! 2000 GT convertible dunno Join Date: May 2011 Location: Brooklet, GA Posts: 2,827 iTrader: 2 reviews	When I degreed my new cams on was advanced 7 degrees and the other was retarded 5 degrees. If I used stock gears and just "trusted" that they would be fine, I woulda been leaving a lot of power on the table... if I didn't grenade my engine. __________________ Last time you voted to prove you aren't racist. This time prove you're not an IDIOT!!! My Garage--->http://www.moddedmustangs.com/forums...-member-46919/

January 5th, 2012, 04:56 PM	#10
02gtmustang Hardcore Enthusiast 2002 Mustang GT 13.4@101 wheel spin Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Orange Grove,TX Posts: 1,398 iTrader: 0 reviews	Whats a typical gain with the hitech stage 2's __________________ 02 GT K&N CAI no cats FRPP drop diablo programmer cherry bomb mufflers MGW short throw shifter TFS UDP's 3.73's... Looking into some shorty headers upper intake got a 75mm tb waiting ... Ironhorsemotorsports.com for all your ford needs!

January 5th, 2012, 10:25 PM	#11
NeverEnuff Hardcore Enthusiast 1989 LX Coupe 7.1@99mph Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 1,695 iTrader: 0 reviews	Holy Crap. Ppl are starting to get it on here. All I can do is clap. Kudos guys. Kudos. Bottom line. Degree your cams. Period. Check PTVC. __________________ 89 LX Coupe-Carb'd 32v-437rwhp NA, 592rwhp N20 01 Bullitt-32v swapped 96 GT-Cammed E85 www.KPERacing.com

January 6th, 2012, 10:11 AM	#14
463 Regular Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 134 iTrader: 0 reviews	I "dropped" in Comp 262's and haven't ran into any problems. I did a mail order tune and picked up 2mph in the quarter with no other changes other than cams. I'm sure a cam degree and dyno tune would net more power but it wasn't worth the money or time for me to go through the hassle since the car only has maybe 290rwhp and gets spanked all day long by all of my friends 03 cobras and ls1s!

January 6th, 2012, 12:13 PM	#16
kyle2002stang! I'm going On A Manhunt! 2002 true blue GT speed of time @ 88mph Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: 55 miles west of Aberdeen SD Posts: 2,351 iTrader: 0 reviews	here, read through this thread. HP292s Cams Discounted...So Check This Out __________________ mac lt's, mac O/R H pipe, spintech super prostreets, JLT RAI, 14"antenna, mach 1 chin spoiler, two 12" kickers.

January 6th, 2012, 09:49 PM	#20
Nitmare67 Hardcore Enthusiast Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 1,391 iTrader: 0 reviews	For a street car i love the XE262AH cams. __________________ 99 Mustang GT 446rwhp, Vortech Aftercooled, Killer Chiller @12lbs, HPX, 3.73s, MGW, Battery Relocation, Intercooler Tank Relocated, CF DF clutch, Steeda Quick Release Quadrant, 75mm TB, Ported C&L Plenum, Stock PI Cams Advance 4 degrees, Pro Chamber

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