How much timing with meth and stock motor?

Shaun03GT · February 6th, 2012, 02:36 PM

Some of you probably know Im buying an AIS trunk mount kit. Ordering it Wednesday

Going to run probably boost juice which is 49% methanol and 51% water. Run 2 jets, one pre blower, one pre throttle body.

Im switching from my terrible intercooler and 2.87 pulley to a CX 4 core and 3.12 pulley. That alone with the extra CFM and not spinning the blower as hard should free up some power. Not that I really care, but Id like to be around 390-395rwhp with that setup at 10-11psi. Without Meth.

With meth I should be over 400rwhp easy. But how much timing can I run?

I plan on having my tuner write me 3 tunes

1 - No meth
2 - Meth but stock timing which is 15* more so for daily driving wise
3 - Meth on with more aggressive timing for track days.

What would be good and safe? About 19-20*? And what should my AFR be on meth? Around 11.3-11.4? Thanks guys

CobraStang161 · February 6th, 2012, 02:46 PM

Any reason why your not using 100% methanol? It's not that expensive. You can get a 5 gallon drum for $50. You will get A LOT more power out of pure methanol.

Shaun03GT · February 6th, 2012, 02:50 PM

I cant find anyone around here that sells meth. At all, sucks

CobraStang161 · February 6th, 2012, 03:17 PM

Originally Posted by Shaun03GT

I cant find anyone around here that sells meth. At all, sucks

here ya go buddy

MASSACHUSETTS

MALDEN MACHINE
MALDEN, MA
781-322-3246

BOUCHER'S RACING ENGINES
ROWLEY, MA
978-948-7343

CASELLA AUTOMOTIVE
SAUGUS, MA
781-231-2224

RON'S AUTOMOTIVE
SOUTHBRIDGE, MA
508-764-3542

REID'S AUTOMOTIVE
WHITMAN, MA
781-857-2500

GreyWarrior07 · February 6th, 2012, 03:22 PM

Originally Posted by Shaun03GT

I cant find anyone around here that sells meth. At all, sucks

Shaun, just look for any of these people im sure they could help you out

Lol i wish i could actually help you out, but i couldn't resist cause its Monday

2K4POINT6 · February 6th, 2012, 04:07 PM

i'm still self tuning my car, and right now i'm running 18* timing, but some of my friends are running up to like 22* or close to that. i'm conservative compared to their cars, but i'm also interested in where you're going with this, because i have a 3.12 pulley, and i you probably hate me because i didnt sell it to you. what was you're timing at with the 2.87?

Nitmare67 · February 6th, 2012, 04:31 PM

I would expect to see 20 - 24 degrees. I would start with 18 and go from there.

Shaun03GT · February 6th, 2012, 05:14 PM

Originally Posted by CobraStang161

here ya go buddy

MASSACHUSETTS

MALDEN MACHINE
MALDEN, MA
781-322-3246

BOUCHER'S RACING ENGINES
ROWLEY, MA
978-948-7343

CASELLA AUTOMOTIVE
SAUGUS, MA
781-231-2224

RON'S AUTOMOTIVE
SOUTHBRIDGE, MA
508-764-3542

REID'S AUTOMOTIVE
WHITMAN, MA
781-857-2500

Dude, wtf good find. Howd you find that? Ive been looking for a few weeks. Reids auto it right up the street from me. Ill probably run a 75% meth and 25% water mix.

Originally Posted by GreyWarrior07

Shaun, just look for any of these people im sure they could help you out

Lol i wish i could actually help you out, but i couldn't resist cause its Monday

Originally Posted by 2K4POINT6

i'm still self tuning my car, and right now i'm running 18* timing, but some of my friends are running up to like 22* or close to that. i'm conservative compared to their cars, but i'm also interested in where you're going with this, because i have a 3.12 pulley, and i you probably hate me because i didnt sell it to you. what was you're timing at with the 2.87?

Lol its all good man. 3.12 pulleys are easy to come by. I already have one. Im at 15* with the 2.87

Originally Posted by Nitmare67

I would expect to see 20 - 24 degrees. I would start with 18 and go from there.

Cool sounds good to me, thanks man! Fuck I wonder if I could hit the 420rwhp mark....I would honestly only use that for track days. Trying to keep this motor togeather for another year

CobraStang161 · February 6th, 2012, 05:20 PM

Originally Posted by Shaun03GT

Dude, wtf good find. Howd you find that? Ive been looking for a few weeks. Reids auto it right up the street from me. Ill probably run a 75% meth and 25% water mix.

lol i went to VP racings website

any reason why you dont want to run straight meth? you will get some sick power with M1 meth with less timing

Shaun03GT · February 6th, 2012, 05:21 PM

Idk, think maybe it might be to much on the stock motor? I know its obviously safe, but itll still pick up xx amount of power. dont want xx to be to much

CobraStang161 · February 6th, 2012, 05:24 PM

its definitely safe. Since you wont need to run as much timing, the chance of detonation is reduced. Plus meth has great cooling properties

On my pump gas setup without meth and 22psi the car made 846hp. same tune with meth and a little more timing it made over 1000! so it really adds a lot.

Shaun03GT · February 6th, 2012, 05:29 PM

Holy shit lol. Ill definitley consider it then. Thanks man

2K4POINT6 · February 6th, 2012, 05:56 PM

then i'm wondering what timing i should be around if i put the 3.12 pulley on? any suggestions? currently running 3.6 pulley at 18*

CobraStang161 · February 6th, 2012, 06:00 PM

Originally Posted by 2K4POINT6

then i'm wondering what timing i should be around if i put the 3.12 pulley on? any suggestions? currently running 3.6 pulley at 18*

i would imagine you would be able to stay at the same timing and make more power.

Shaun03GT · February 6th, 2012, 06:07 PM

Originally Posted by 2K4POINT6

then i'm wondering what timing i should be around if i put the 3.12 pulley on? any suggestions? currently running 3.6 pulley at 18*

Are you running methanol? If so what kit and how much power did you pick up?

I would imagine 18* is a pretty damn safe conservative number for methanol.

bottled2v · February 6th, 2012, 06:18 PM

no idea about the timing, but do you already have a meth kit? my buddies got an ais kit for sale

Shaun03GT · February 6th, 2012, 06:27 PM

Nah Id rather order it new. For the extra $100-150 its worth just buying new. Thanks though

SSG Pate · February 6th, 2012, 08:38 PM

Shaun that 3.12 is gona put you somewhere in the 15-16 PSI range with the 4 core. Im running a 2.9 and make 20-21 psi with the 4 core at around 6400 RPM.

Shaun03GT · February 6th, 2012, 08:42 PM

Not with the S trim. And Si trim most definitley. Lots of people get around 9psi with the 4 core, a powerpipe and 3.33 pulley. Im not running a powerpipe, so I should be around 10-11psi

blownstang · February 6th, 2012, 09:02 PM

Originally Posted by Shaun03GT

Not with the S trim. And Si trim most definitley. Lots of people get around 9psi with the 4 core, a powerpipe and 3.33 pulley. Im not running a powerpipe, so I should be around 10-11psi

Ya at best. I say 9-10psi. A 3.33 and powerpipe is pretty much equivalent to a 3.12 and no powerpipe.

I think you should safely be able to run 19*. You can safely run 17* with one form of cooling so with two forms 19* shouldn't be a problem.

February 6th, 2012, 02:36 PM	#1
Shaun03GT I Post Entirely Way Too Much 2003 Mustang GT 1/8 - 7.92 @ 91.13mph 1/4 - 12.21 @ 115.84mph Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Weymouth, MA Posts: 13,444 iTrader: 12 reviews	How much timing with meth and stock motor? Some of you probably know Im buying an AIS trunk mount kit. Ordering it Wednesday Going to run probably boost juice which is 49% methanol and 51% water. Run 2 jets, one pre blower, one pre throttle body. Im switching from my terrible intercooler and 2.87 pulley to a CX 4 core and 3.12 pulley. That alone with the extra CFM and not spinning the blower as hard should free up some power. Not that I really care, but Id like to be around 390-395rwhp with that setup at 10-11psi. Without Meth. With meth I should be over 400rwhp easy. But how much timing can I run? I plan on having my tuner write me 3 tunes 1 - No meth 2 - Meth but stock timing which is 15* more so for daily driving wise 3 - Meth on with more aggressive timing for track days. What would be good and safe? About 19-20*? And what should my AFR be on meth? Around 11.3-11.4? Thanks guys __________________ Vortech V1 Intercooled @ 11psi 394rwhp/392rwtq @ 9.5psi 415rwhp/400rwtq @ 11psi on Methanol Tuned By: Pete @ Performance Dyno Affordable Supercharger Build Guide Supercharger Info for Noobs

February 6th, 2012, 02:46 PM	#2
CobraStang161 Hardcore Enthusiast 4V twin turbo 2000 GT I live my life a quarter mile at a time xD Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Staten Island, NY Posts: 1,739 iTrader: 0 reviews	Any reason why your not using 100% methanol? It's not that expensive. You can get a 5 gallon drum for $50. You will get A LOT more power out of pure methanol. __________________ 2000 Mustang GT Built 4V Motor with Sullivan Single Plane Intake Custom 66MM BB TT kit Borla XR-1 Dumped before rear Moser built 9" Rear 35 spline WaveTrac Diff with 3.75s 35 spline Moser axles 14PT roll cage and minitubbed

February 6th, 2012, 02:50 PM	#3
Shaun03GT I Post Entirely Way Too Much 2003 Mustang GT 1/8 - 7.92 @ 91.13mph 1/4 - 12.21 @ 115.84mph Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Weymouth, MA Posts: 13,444 iTrader: 12 reviews	I cant find anyone around here that sells meth. At all, sucks __________________ Vortech V1 Intercooled @ 11psi 394rwhp/392rwtq @ 9.5psi 415rwhp/400rwtq @ 11psi on Methanol Tuned By: Pete @ Performance Dyno Affordable Supercharger Build Guide Supercharger Info for Noobs

February 6th, 2012, 04:07 PM	#6
2K4POINT6 Regular 2000 MUSTANG GT Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: GULFPORT, MS Posts: 102 iTrader: 0 reviews	i'm still self tuning my car, and right now i'm running 18* timing, but some of my friends are running up to like 22* or close to that. i'm conservative compared to their cars, but i'm also interested in where you're going with this, because i have a 3.12 pulley, and i you probably hate me because i didnt sell it to you. what was you're timing at with the 2.87? __________________

February 6th, 2012, 04:31 PM	#7
Nitmare67 Hardcore Enthusiast Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 1,391 iTrader: 0 reviews	I would expect to see 20 - 24 degrees. I would start with 18 and go from there. __________________ 99 Mustang GT 446rwhp, Vortech Aftercooled, Killer Chiller @12lbs, HPX, 3.73s, MGW, Battery Relocation, Intercooler Tank Relocated, CF DF clutch, Steeda Quick Release Quadrant, 75mm TB, Ported C&L Plenum, Stock PI Cams Advance 4 degrees, Pro Chamber

February 6th, 2012, 05:21 PM	#10
Shaun03GT I Post Entirely Way Too Much 2003 Mustang GT 1/8 - 7.92 @ 91.13mph 1/4 - 12.21 @ 115.84mph Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Weymouth, MA Posts: 13,444 iTrader: 12 reviews	Idk, think maybe it might be to much on the stock motor? I know its obviously safe, but itll still pick up xx amount of power. dont want xx to be to much __________________ Vortech V1 Intercooled @ 11psi 394rwhp/392rwtq @ 9.5psi 415rwhp/400rwtq @ 11psi on Methanol Tuned By: Pete @ Performance Dyno Affordable Supercharger Build Guide Supercharger Info for Noobs

February 6th, 2012, 05:24 PM	#11
CobraStang161 Hardcore Enthusiast 4V twin turbo 2000 GT I live my life a quarter mile at a time xD Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Staten Island, NY Posts: 1,739 iTrader: 0 reviews	its definitely safe. Since you wont need to run as much timing, the chance of detonation is reduced. Plus meth has great cooling properties On my pump gas setup without meth and 22psi the car made 846hp. same tune with meth and a little more timing it made over 1000! so it really adds a lot. __________________ 2000 Mustang GT Built 4V Motor with Sullivan Single Plane Intake Custom 66MM BB TT kit Borla XR-1 Dumped before rear Moser built 9" Rear 35 spline WaveTrac Diff with 3.75s 35 spline Moser axles 14PT roll cage and minitubbed

February 6th, 2012, 05:29 PM	#12
Shaun03GT I Post Entirely Way Too Much 2003 Mustang GT 1/8 - 7.92 @ 91.13mph 1/4 - 12.21 @ 115.84mph Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Weymouth, MA Posts: 13,444 iTrader: 12 reviews	Holy shit lol. Ill definitley consider it then. Thanks man __________________ Vortech V1 Intercooled @ 11psi 394rwhp/392rwtq @ 9.5psi 415rwhp/400rwtq @ 11psi on Methanol Tuned By: Pete @ Performance Dyno Affordable Supercharger Build Guide Supercharger Info for Noobs

February 6th, 2012, 05:56 PM	#13
2K4POINT6 Regular 2000 MUSTANG GT Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: GULFPORT, MS Posts: 102 iTrader: 0 reviews	then i'm wondering what timing i should be around if i put the 3.12 pulley on? any suggestions? currently running 3.6 pulley at 18* __________________

February 6th, 2012, 06:18 PM	#16
bottled2v Hardcore Enthusiast '00 gt, '95 gt, '83 lx 11.85@116 Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Saginaw, mi Posts: 2,428 iTrader: 0 reviews	no idea about the timing, but do you already have a meth kit? my buddies got an ais kit for sale __________________ '00 GT, hp 292's, full bolt ons, built/stalled auto, 4.10's, 150 shot-new times to come. '95 GT, 347, tko, etc-11.8@116-sold. WTT-my mildly built 4r70 for t56/tko.

February 6th, 2012, 06:27 PM	#17
Shaun03GT I Post Entirely Way Too Much 2003 Mustang GT 1/8 - 7.92 @ 91.13mph 1/4 - 12.21 @ 115.84mph Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Weymouth, MA Posts: 13,444 iTrader: 12 reviews	Nah Id rather order it new. For the extra $100-150 its worth just buying new. Thanks though __________________ Vortech V1 Intercooled @ 11psi 394rwhp/392rwtq @ 9.5psi 415rwhp/400rwtq @ 11psi on Methanol Tuned By: Pete @ Performance Dyno Affordable Supercharger Build Guide Supercharger Info for Noobs

February 6th, 2012, 08:38 PM	#18
SSG Pate Premium Member 00 Mustang GT Vert/88 5.0 Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Tennessee Posts: 1,766 iTrader: 3 reviews	Shaun that 3.12 is gona put you somewhere in the 15-16 PSI range with the 4 core. Im running a 2.9 and make 20-21 psi with the 4 core at around 6400 RPM. __________________ Proud Iraq and Afghanistan War veteran Powered By MMR 4.75L Stroker, Tuned at Kurgan Motorsports

February 6th, 2012, 08:42 PM	#19
Shaun03GT I Post Entirely Way Too Much 2003 Mustang GT 1/8 - 7.92 @ 91.13mph 1/4 - 12.21 @ 115.84mph Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Weymouth, MA Posts: 13,444 iTrader: 12 reviews	Not with the S trim. And Si trim most definitley. Lots of people get around 9psi with the 4 core, a powerpipe and 3.33 pulley. Im not running a powerpipe, so I should be around 10-11psi __________________ Vortech V1 Intercooled @ 11psi 394rwhp/392rwtq @ 9.5psi 415rwhp/400rwtq @ 11psi on Methanol Tuned By: Pete @ Performance Dyno Affordable Supercharger Build Guide Supercharger Info for Noobs

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