Built NA 2v not making power

Mike113 · April 14th, 2012, 03:40 PM

*****UPDATE ON PAGE 4******

Just finished up this build and was a little dissapointed with the results. I know dyno #'s dont tell you everything, but I was hoping they'd be alot higher.

built shorblock
11.1:1 compression
stage 2 patriot heads
Bullet cams (227, 228 @.050) lift
24 lb injectors, focus pump etc.
ford racing intake
75mm tb/plenum
JLT Cai
o/r midpipe
tr 3650

made 286rwhp and about 305 trq.

Suppose I were to add LT's, bigger cams (stage 2?) and maybe udps and possibly a trickflow or edlebrock intake...

DO you think not having these things is really holding it back? I was on a budget and tried to save some money, but now I'm wishing I had gotten LT's at least. And with the cams, we were trying to watch the clearance...

Shaun13GT/CS · April 14th, 2012, 04:02 PM

Auto or stick? Regardless those are low numbers.

Mike113 · April 14th, 2012, 04:16 PM

swapped to a tr-3650

Shaun13GT/CS · April 14th, 2012, 04:17 PM

Idk, numbers seem low. Could do a compression check. Did you degree the cams?

Mike113 · April 14th, 2012, 04:24 PM

yea they're degreed and everything. I just had someone down here in Fl build it for me. He's awesome. I think its just missing some important components...

Cabikejumper · April 14th, 2012, 04:26 PM

Baznasty got. 305 with bolt on plus cams.

Mike113 · April 14th, 2012, 04:32 PM

Originally Posted by Cabikejumper

Baznasty got. 305 with bolt on plus cams.

and so have alot of other people...I did ported heads, cams, and increased compression...I was hoping for 320-330...I really think the lack of Long tubes and larger cams are holding it back.

Anyone have a 330hp na 2v combo?

Cabikejumper · April 14th, 2012, 04:35 PM

He was only s/n I could remember. I would think your numbers would be higher too.

Silver GT · April 14th, 2012, 04:35 PM

Originally Posted by Mike113

yea they're degreed and everything. I just had someone down here in Fl build it for me. He's awesome. I think its just missing some important components...

It sounds like you need to talk with the guy who built it. A set of lt headers would help though.

Mike113 · April 14th, 2012, 04:40 PM

Originally Posted by Silver GT

It sounds like you need to talk to the guy who built it. A set of lt headers would help though.

We've been discussing it alot. He was probably more dissapointed than I was. Were just trying to do our research to figure out what has worked for other people before we experiment more.

I think the cams are a bit on the small size as well. They compare very similar to a stage 1 comp shelf cam.

dbmustanggt · April 14th, 2012, 05:08 PM

I would look in to mhs cams

cschoening09 · April 14th, 2012, 05:21 PM

Id think with that setup u would have at least 375 to the wheels. Maybe its outflowing the stick intake? What injectors. U running?

y2k02 · April 14th, 2012, 05:33 PM

What pistons are you running?
Did yoi make sure the valves were sealing befote installing?
Post the graph.

Nitmare67 · April 14th, 2012, 05:33 PM

375 to the wheels?! Ya ok...

What kind of dyno did you tune on?

Whats the weather like?

How many miles on the new motor? It will loosen up and pick up some hp.

Mike113 · April 14th, 2012, 05:46 PM

umm def not 375...
24 lb injectors
tuned on a dynojet in Fl. Wasnt to hot out really...

We tuned it after I broke it in at around 1300 miles on the new motor. Maybe some more miles will help?

Mike113 · April 14th, 2012, 05:47 PM

Originally Posted by y2k02

What pistons are you running?
Did yoi make sure the valves were sealing befote installing?
Post the graph.

Pistons are probe 4.5cc dish. forged. I dont have a graph handy :/ I could possibly have it emailed to me or something...

cschoening09 · April 14th, 2012, 06:16 PM

Well jesus christ..with that much shit into the motor its sad it wont

cschoening09 · April 14th, 2012, 06:17 PM

Spray that mother fucker then with a 200 shot and call it a day

ytngt · April 14th, 2012, 06:46 PM

What timing are you running and what a/f? Post up a datalog screenshot so we can see spark and a/f.

Your cam selection should be fine. You don't want to got big with cams unless you want to essentially bleed off cylinder pressure (torque) under 4500 rpms.

If I was in your situation, I would save for a centri blower setup. Your engine is setup almost perfect for low boost and high rwhp. Or you could spray it as mentioned, I recommend a progressive controller.

Good luck.

99 blk gt · April 14th, 2012, 06:55 PM

Wow that's really low with just the bolt ons injave I out down 267 and 307 and I don't have cams or heads or headers. There is deff something goin wrong with that setup. If you checked the compression ratio and that was good how else would you be able to tell what the problem is? Do you have a mid pipe and cat back as well still would only be worth maybe 10-12 hp you should be easily in the 320-330 range. Long tubes and full exhaust should bump u up maybe another 20 so you would be at 300 by then ur still seems low maybe the air fuel is off or something or the timming is messed up cause that engine is def sick and no feelin well

April 14th, 2012, 03:40 PM	#1
Mike113 Enthusiast 2000 Mustang GT 13.364@105 Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bradenton, Florida Posts: 618 iTrader: 0 reviews	Built NA 2v not making power ***UPDATE ON PAGE 4**** Just finished up this build and was a little dissapointed with the results. I know dyno #'s dont tell you everything, but I was hoping they'd be alot higher. built shorblock 11.1:1 compression stage 2 patriot heads Bullet cams (227, 228 @.050) lift 24 lb injectors, focus pump etc. ford racing intake 75mm tb/plenum JLT Cai o/r midpipe tr 3650 made 286rwhp and about 305 trq. Suppose I were to add LT's, bigger cams (stage 2?) and maybe udps and possibly a trickflow or edlebrock intake... DO you think not having these things is really holding it back? I was on a budget and tried to save some money, but now I'm wishing I had gotten LT's at least. And with the cams, we were trying to watch the clearance... __________________ \|Forged Motor\|\|11.1:1 CR\|\|Stage 2 Heads\|\|Custom Bullet Cams\|\|MAC o/r H and CB\|\|75mm TB/Plenum\|\|JLT Cai\| 290rwhp 307 rwtq \|WTB Longtubes\| Last edited by Mike113; July 8th, 2012 at 01:15 PM.

April 14th, 2012, 04:02 PM	#2
Shaun13GT/CS I Post Entirely Way Too Much 2003 Mustang GT 11.98 @ 118.68mph Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Weymouth, MA Posts: 17,223 iTrader: 23 reviews	Auto or stick? Regardless those are low numbers. __________________ 2013 Mustang GT/CS - Stock 2003 Mustang GT - Vortech 415rwhp SOLD

April 14th, 2012, 04:16 PM	#3
Mike113 Enthusiast 2000 Mustang GT 13.364@105 Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bradenton, Florida Posts: 618 iTrader: 0 reviews	swapped to a tr-3650 __________________ \|Forged Motor\|\|11.1:1 CR\|\|Stage 2 Heads\|\|Custom Bullet Cams\|\|MAC o/r H and CB\|\|75mm TB/Plenum\|\|JLT Cai\| 290rwhp 307 rwtq \|WTB Longtubes\|

April 14th, 2012, 04:17 PM	#4
Shaun13GT/CS I Post Entirely Way Too Much 2003 Mustang GT 11.98 @ 118.68mph Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Weymouth, MA Posts: 17,223 iTrader: 23 reviews	Idk, numbers seem low. Could do a compression check. Did you degree the cams? __________________ 2013 Mustang GT/CS - Stock 2003 Mustang GT - Vortech 415rwhp SOLD

April 14th, 2012, 04:24 PM	#5
Mike113 Enthusiast 2000 Mustang GT 13.364@105 Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bradenton, Florida Posts: 618 iTrader: 0 reviews	yea they're degreed and everything. I just had someone down here in Fl build it for me. He's awesome. I think its just missing some important components... __________________ \|Forged Motor\|\|11.1:1 CR\|\|Stage 2 Heads\|\|Custom Bullet Cams\|\|MAC o/r H and CB\|\|75mm TB/Plenum\|\|JLT Cai\| 290rwhp 307 rwtq \|WTB Longtubes\|

April 14th, 2012, 04:26 PM	#6
Cabikejumper MM's V6 Hater 2000 Mustang GT 5spd 96.49@ 3mph Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Stephenville,Tx Posts: 10,524 iTrader: 27 reviews	Baznasty got. 305 with bolt on plus cams. __________________ WANTED: STOCK GT SPRINGS, headlights, tail lights. 2000 5.1 built supercharged GT. 463/454 2006 GTO. SOLD 2008 F350- 12k pounds of slowness

April 14th, 2012, 04:35 PM	#8
Cabikejumper MM's V6 Hater 2000 Mustang GT 5spd 96.49@ 3mph Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Stephenville,Tx Posts: 10,524 iTrader: 27 reviews	He was only s/n I could remember. I would think your numbers would be higher too. __________________ WANTED: STOCK GT SPRINGS, headlights, tail lights. 2000 5.1 built supercharged GT. 463/454 2006 GTO. SOLD 2008 F350- 12k pounds of slowness

April 14th, 2012, 05:08 PM	#11
dbmustanggt Hardcore Enthusiast 2004 mustang gt 12.1@110 Join Date: May 2011 Location: west concord, mn Posts: 1,865 iTrader: 4 reviews	I would look in to mhs cams __________________ 04 mustang gt- true forged rims,procharger d1,t-56, stinger ect 408whp 390tq 10psi Awaiting a built motor 03 duramax- suncoast stage 6 tranny, 100 injector, air dog,arp headstuds, efi live, s&b, 5inch exhaust ect.. 531whp 900+ tq

April 14th, 2012, 05:21 PM	#12
cschoening09 Hardcore Enthusiast 2007 Mustang GT Dunno yet Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Council Bluffs, IA Posts: 2,564 iTrader: 9 reviews	Id think with that setup u would have at least 375 to the wheels. Maybe its outflowing the stick intake? What injectors. U running? __________________ 2007 Mustang GT- frpp k springs, pypes o/r x, mangaflow original axleback, JLT s3 cai and sct bama 91R tune

April 14th, 2012, 05:33 PM	#13
y2k02 Proofs in Performance 02 Mustang GT 9.99@137 Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Columbus,Ohio Posts: 1,606 iTrader: 1 reviews	What pistons are you running? Did yoi make sure the valves were sealing befote installing? Post the graph. __________________ 2002 GT PI heads Edelbrock TH400 Twin 60mm turbos E85 Hatters GONNA Hate

April 14th, 2012, 05:33 PM	#14
Nitmare67 Hardcore Enthusiast Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 2,036 iTrader: 3 reviews	375 to the wheels?! Ya ok... What kind of dyno did you tune on? Whats the weather like? How many miles on the new motor? It will loosen up and pick up some hp. __________________ 99 Mustang GT 560rwhp on STOCK HEADS, 4.75L, Kenne Bell Mammoth 2.1, Killer Chiller @16lbs, Cobra Inlet, LFP Throttle Body, JLT High Boost CAI, CMS Stage 2 Blower Cams, HPX, 3.55s, MGW, Battery Relocation, Intercooler Tank Relocated, CF DF clutch

April 14th, 2012, 05:46 PM	#15
Mike113 Enthusiast 2000 Mustang GT 13.364@105 Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bradenton, Florida Posts: 618 iTrader: 0 reviews	umm def not 375... 24 lb injectors tuned on a dynojet in Fl. Wasnt to hot out really... We tuned it after I broke it in at around 1300 miles on the new motor. Maybe some more miles will help? __________________ \|Forged Motor\|\|11.1:1 CR\|\|Stage 2 Heads\|\|Custom Bullet Cams\|\|MAC o/r H and CB\|\|75mm TB/Plenum\|\|JLT Cai\| 290rwhp 307 rwtq \|WTB Longtubes\|

April 14th, 2012, 06:16 PM	#17
cschoening09 Hardcore Enthusiast 2007 Mustang GT Dunno yet Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Council Bluffs, IA Posts: 2,564 iTrader: 9 reviews	Well jesus christ..with that much shit into the motor its sad it wont __________________ 2007 Mustang GT- frpp k springs, pypes o/r x, mangaflow original axleback, JLT s3 cai and sct bama 91R tune

April 14th, 2012, 06:17 PM	#18
cschoening09 Hardcore Enthusiast 2007 Mustang GT Dunno yet Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Council Bluffs, IA Posts: 2,564 iTrader: 9 reviews	Spray that mother fucker then with a 200 shot and call it a day

April 14th, 2012, 06:46 PM	#19
ytngt Hardcore Enthusiast 2002 Mustang GT Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: LA Posts: 1,091 iTrader: 0 reviews	What timing are you running and what a/f? Post up a datalog screenshot so we can see spark and a/f. Your cam selection should be fine. You don't want to got big with cams unless you want to essentially bleed off cylinder pressure (torque) under 4500 rpms. If I was in your situation, I would save for a centri blower setup. Your engine is setup almost perfect for low boost and high rwhp. Or you could spray it as mentioned, I recommend a progressive controller. Good luck. __________________

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April 14th, 2012, 06:55 PM	#20
99 blk gt Enthusiast 1999 gt Don't know 13s Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Phoenix Posts: 509 iTrader: 0 reviews	Wow that's really low with just the bolt ons injave I out down 267 and 307 and I don't have cams or heads or headers. There is deff something goin wrong with that setup. If you checked the compression ratio and that was good how else would you be able to tell what the problem is? Do you have a mid pipe and cat back as well still would only be worth maybe 10-12 hp you should be easily in the 320-330 range. Long tubes and full exhaust should bump u up maybe another 20 so you would be at 300 by then ur still seems low maybe the air fuel is off or something or the timming is messed up cause that engine is def sick and no feelin well __________________ bbk CAI, bbk throttle intake, frpp, 3.73s, sct 91 oct tune, steeda upd, magnaflow cat back, magnaflow O/R X pipe, MM Flsfc, Lakewood LCA, mgw shifter, king cobra clutch, 18"rims nt 555 Nittos 245, 285, halo angel eyes, autometer guages.

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