TIME HAS COME!!! NEW HEADS AND CAMS...INPUT PLEASE!

amphibrecon · June 20th, 2007, 07:02 AM

Okay i have finally decided to just go ahead and spend the money. I am looking at getting the Patriot Stage III heads and Comp Cams. I can't decide on the cams though. I am looking for low end TQ and launching quickly and of course I want the rough idle. I was thinking of using Comp XE274H, XE270AH or even the XE278AH. What do yall think? I am looking to put a KB on next year and forged internals, any input would be appreciated. I doubt I will use it for the track, the new one won't be open here for awhile. I want a nice launch with a MEAN SOUND, Top End speed is not my first priority. New shorty headers will be going along with the install and O/R H pipe. Also other than new timing gears, is there anything else I will need? other than lube and hardware, and do I have to upgrade my injectors? I am running the stock ones now. Thanks for any input.

White99stang · June 20th, 2007, 07:17 AM

personnal opinion is stay away from patriot heads, look into VT stage 2 heads, or modularpowerhouse stage 2.5 heads. I have the VT stage 2 heads and stage 2 n/a cams and i love them. Just with that combination, lower compression, stroker motor which actually makes you lose hp i made 312rwhp

amphibrecon · June 20th, 2007, 07:26 AM

Originally Posted by White99stang

personnal opinion is stay away from patriot heads, look into VT stage 2 heads, or modularpowerhouse stage 2.5 heads. I have the VT stage 2 heads and stage 2 n/a cams and i love them. Just with that combination, lower compression, stroker motor which actually makes you lose hp i made 312rwhp

Thanks for the info, I have heard that before about the Pats, but I haven't found anyone say as to why? I haven't seen or heard anything bad specificly about them. The company has been around for about 30 years, but i know they are new to modulars.

BTW...WASN'T THAT YOU AND YOUR CAR IN THE LAST ISSUE OF MM&FF... NICE JOB BRO' SWEET RUN!!!!!! I BOW TO U!!!

GTsetGO · June 20th, 2007, 07:33 AM

Yeah that was him and thanks for bringing it up again. That's all we hear about is "I was in MM&FF, blah blah blah."

joking

White99stang · June 20th, 2007, 07:37 AM

Hey GTsetGo, did you know i was is MMFF mag this month, huh did ya, cause i was hehe

amphibrecon · June 20th, 2007, 07:38 AM

GTsetGO · June 20th, 2007, 07:38 AM

smartass

but seriously, it's kind of cool have a "celebrity" in the area

ChrisJ · June 20th, 2007, 07:50 AM

Originally Posted by GTsetGO

smartass

but seriously, it's kind of cool have a "celebrity" in the area

Yep sure is...

Do like White99stang said...

Go with a set of VT heads or a set of Modular Powerhouse 2.5 Heads...

Then go with a set of cams that fit what you are planning to do to the car in the future...IE Blower, Turbo, Nitrous, N/A...

JRuckas · June 20th, 2007, 10:30 AM

i 4th the motion for VT stage 2 heads and VT cams for whatever setup you are looking to run. they are the best in the market right now! i wish i would have waited to get these. instead i got some sean hyland crap heads and cams. they aren't that bad, but i bet i would have made more power with the VT combo.

JRuckas · June 20th, 2007, 10:31 AM

tim, you are in a MM&FF issue? lol....my care was in one a year ago

02steedagt · June 20th, 2007, 10:37 AM

I have a buddy who put patriot heads in his 98, and after he did, all kinds a shit broke (I don't know all the details, sorry). He's getting a new motor soon. and I have read all over the place that VT straight up makes the best heads. I know that you've had your heart set on the pats, but IMHO, I would really go for the VT's cuz they are the best. People simply don't have problems with you... and I know that they run REALLY well with comp cams.

on the cams, if you want low end torque, your going to have to go with a smaller cam, i.e. the 270 or the 274. I think the 278 will put the power higher in the powerband than you are looking for. However, if you go with a screw-type supercharger, then that will make up for the low end torque that you might not get from the cams, so you will probably have a beautifully flat power curve!

I would do this:
VT stage 2 heads
Comp XE274H cams
KB 2.1 9psi supercharger

matrixpuba · June 20th, 2007, 11:58 AM

Originally Posted by amphibrecon

Okay i have finally decided to just go ahead and spend the money. I am looking at getting the Patriot Stage III heads and Comp Cams. I can't decide on the cams though. I am looking for low end TQ and launching quickly and of course I want the rough idle. I was thinking of using Comp XE274H, XE270AH or even the XE278AH. What do yall think? I am looking to put a KB on next year and forged internals, any input would be appreciated. I doubt I will use it for the track, the new one won't be open here for awhile. I want a nice launch with a MEAN SOUND, Top End speed is not my first priority. New shorty headers will be going along with the install and O/R H pipe. Also other than new timing gears, is there anything else I will need? other than lube and hardware, and do I have to upgrade my injectors? I am running the stock ones now. Thanks for any input.

the 278 cams will make the valve hit the stock piston. the 270 cams will work but you better make sure they are degreed right. i would go with the vt stage 2 cams. they make great hp up high and dont loose any tq down low.

DrHolliday · June 20th, 2007, 12:47 PM

What ever route you decide on amp lemmi know where your gunna do it. I wanna help with the install.

2000stangGT · June 20th, 2007, 02:39 PM

would stage 2 cams be to aggressive for a DD?

White99stang · June 20th, 2007, 02:47 PM

no stage 2 cams aren't too aggressive, mine was a DD for over 2 years with them.

Invictus · June 20th, 2007, 03:27 PM

Originally Posted by White99stang

Hey GTsetGo, did you know i was is MMFF mag this month, huh did ya, cause i was hehe

rofl

Invictus · June 20th, 2007, 03:32 PM

Originally Posted by amphibrecon

Okay i have finally decided to just go ahead and spend the money. I am looking at getting the Patriot Stage III heads and Comp Cams. I can't decide on the cams though. I am looking for low end TQ and launching quickly and of course I want the rough idle. I was thinking of using Comp XE274H, XE270AH or even the XE278AH. What do yall think? I am looking to put a KB on next year and forged internals, any input would be appreciated. I doubt I will use it for the track, the new one won't be open here for awhile. I want a nice launch with a MEAN SOUND, Top End speed is not my first priority. New shorty headers will be going along with the install and O/R H pipe. Also other than new timing gears, is there anything else I will need? other than lube and hardware, and do I have to upgrade my injectors? I am running the stock ones now. Thanks for any input.

I know a guy with a 5 axis CNC head porting machine who knows his business and also speaks very lowly of patriot performance and many other companies that port heads with a large stepping machine.

He will port a set of customer supplied 2V heads for $600.00 and they'll be cut 1mm over for oversized valves. if you need disassembly, cleaning, inspection, a valve job, valves,seals,springs, retainers, locks, and assembly, thats additional. He's also working on perfecting the software for the 3V newer motors and 4V cobra heads.

If interested shoot me a PM and i'll put you in contact with him.

sonicblue · June 20th, 2007, 03:38 PM

i vote for vt heads and cams. i have the stage 2 heads and stage 2 blower cams and love them.

SWEET2KSTANG · June 20th, 2007, 04:20 PM

there is nothing wrong with patriot heads. if they are what you have been looking to buy, then go for it. patriot cams arent all that great, you will want to go ahead and change them to something else. if you are planning on a poweradder, then a set of custom grind vt cams are the way to go.

neckbonekat · June 20th, 2007, 07:13 PM

Wouldn't it be smarter to buy the cams after the SC? Are there different cams for N/A cars and SC cars?

June 20th, 2007, 07:02 AM	#1
amphibrecon Regular 2001 Mustang GT Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: North Las Vegas, Nevada Posts: 259 iTrader: 0 reviews	TIME HAS COME!!! NEW HEADS AND CAMS...INPUT PLEASE! Okay i have finally decided to just go ahead and spend the money. I am looking at getting the Patriot Stage III heads and Comp Cams. I can't decide on the cams though. I am looking for low end TQ and launching quickly and of course I want the rough idle. I was thinking of using Comp XE274H, XE270AH or even the XE278AH. What do yall think? I am looking to put a KB on next year and forged internals, any input would be appreciated. I doubt I will use it for the track, the new one won't be open here for awhile. I want a nice launch with a MEAN SOUND, Top End speed is not my first priority. New shorty headers will be going along with the install and O/R H pipe. Also other than new timing gears, is there anything else I will need? other than lube and hardware, and do I have to upgrade my injectors? I am running the stock ones now. Thanks for any input. __________________ YOUR DAYS OF FINGER BANGIN' OLD MARY JANE ROTTEN CROTCH THROUGH HER PRETTY PINK PANTIES ARE OVER!!! DO YOU MAGGOTS UNDERSTAND!!!!!!

June 20th, 2007, 07:17 AM	#2
White99stang MM's nicest mod, :) Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Apex, NC Posts: 3,771 iTrader: 0 reviews	personnal opinion is stay away from patriot heads, look into VT stage 2 heads, or modularpowerhouse stage 2.5 heads. I have the VT stage 2 heads and stage 2 n/a cams and i love them. Just with that combination, lower compression, stroker motor which actually makes you lose hp i made 312rwhp __________________ 06 Dodge MegaCab Diesel 455rwhp/815rwtq REAL TRUCKS DON'T USE SPARK PLUGS

June 20th, 2007, 07:33 AM	#4
GTsetGO Cigar Assassin 2004 Mustang GT 12.88 @ 112 Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: A Galaxy Far, Far Away Posts: 14,083 iTrader: 10 reviews	Yeah that was him and thanks for bringing it up again. That's all we hear about is "I was in MM&FF, blah blah blah." joking __________________ Cigar Samplers for Sale 2008 Acura TL-S - 2008 Honda Pilot EX-SE - 2008 Cain F Big Bear Paradox

June 20th, 2007, 07:37 AM	#5
White99stang MM's nicest mod, :) Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Apex, NC Posts: 3,771 iTrader: 0 reviews	Hey GTsetGo, did you know i was is MMFF mag this month, huh did ya, cause i was hehe __________________ 06 Dodge MegaCab Diesel 455rwhp/815rwtq REAL TRUCKS DON'T USE SPARK PLUGS

June 20th, 2007, 07:38 AM	#6
amphibrecon Regular 2001 Mustang GT Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: North Las Vegas, Nevada Posts: 259 iTrader: 0 reviews	__________________ YOUR DAYS OF FINGER BANGIN' OLD MARY JANE ROTTEN CROTCH THROUGH HER PRETTY PINK PANTIES ARE OVER!!! DO YOU MAGGOTS UNDERSTAND!!!!!!

TIME HAS COME!!! NEW HEADS AND CAMS...INPUT PLEASE!

TIME HAS COME!!! NEW HEADS AND CAMS...INPUT PLEASE!

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June 20th, 2007, 07:38 AM	#7
GTsetGO Cigar Assassin 2004 Mustang GT 12.88 @ 112 Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: A Galaxy Far, Far Away Posts: 14,083 iTrader: 10 reviews	smartass but seriously, it's kind of cool have a "celebrity" in the area __________________ Cigar Samplers for Sale 2008 Acura TL-S - 2008 Honda Pilot EX-SE - 2008 Cain F Big Bear Paradox

June 20th, 2007, 10:30 AM	#9
JRuckas Hardcore Enthusiast Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 1,103 iTrader: 0 reviews	i 4th the motion for VT stage 2 heads and VT cams for whatever setup you are looking to run. they are the best in the market right now! i wish i would have waited to get these. instead i got some sean hyland crap heads and cams. they aren't that bad, but i bet i would have made more power with the VT combo.

June 20th, 2007, 10:31 AM	#10
JRuckas Hardcore Enthusiast Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 1,103 iTrader: 0 reviews	tim, you are in a MM&FF issue? lol....my care was in one a year ago

June 20th, 2007, 10:37 AM	#11
02steedagt Enthusiast Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Solomons, MD Posts: 634 iTrader: 0 reviews	I have a buddy who put patriot heads in his 98, and after he did, all kinds a shit broke (I don't know all the details, sorry). He's getting a new motor soon. and I have read all over the place that VT straight up makes the best heads. I know that you've had your heart set on the pats, but IMHO, I would really go for the VT's cuz they are the best. People simply don't have problems with you... and I know that they run REALLY well with comp cams. on the cams, if you want low end torque, your going to have to go with a smaller cam, i.e. the 270 or the 274. I think the 278 will put the power higher in the powerband than you are looking for. However, if you go with a screw-type supercharger, then that will make up for the low end torque that you might not get from the cams, so you will probably have a beautifully flat power curve! I would do this: VT stage 2 heads Comp XE274H cams KB 2.1 9psi supercharger __________________ "America is all about speed. Hot, nasty, bad ass speed." Eleanor Roosevelt, 1936

June 20th, 2007, 12:47 PM	#13
DrHolliday Enthusiast Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Port, NC Posts: 717 iTrader: 0 reviews	What ever route you decide on amp lemmi know where your gunna do it. I wanna help with the install. __________________ Mustangless atm 2006 2500 HD Diesel. Built allison trans and other goodies

June 20th, 2007, 02:39 PM	#14
2000stangGT Enthusiast 2000 Mustang Gt 13.56 @ 106 Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: CT Posts: 806 iTrader: 0 reviews	would stage 2 cams be to aggressive for a DD? __________________ JLT - Accufab - MPH Heads - VT Stage 2 N/A cams Manley Valves/Springs - Centerforce Dual Friction BBK LT's - BBK o/r H - Bassani catback FRPP 4.10s - XCAL2 - BBK UDP's 306rwhp/333rwtq

June 20th, 2007, 02:47 PM	#15
White99stang MM's nicest mod, :) Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Apex, NC Posts: 3,771 iTrader: 0 reviews	no stage 2 cams aren't too aggressive, mine was a DD for over 2 years with them. __________________ 06 Dodge MegaCab Diesel 455rwhp/815rwtq REAL TRUCKS DON'T USE SPARK PLUGS

June 20th, 2007, 03:38 PM	#18
sonicblue Hardcore Enthusiast 1990 GT Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: dalzell, south carolina Posts: 1,436 iTrader: 0 reviews	i vote for vt heads and cams. i have the stage 2 heads and stage 2 blower cams and love them. __________________ 1990 5.0 getting all fixed up for next season 2004 mustang gt 520rwhp, 491 trq sold

June 20th, 2007, 04:20 PM	#19
SWEET2KSTANG mm's nitrous mod 2000 mustang gt 11.79@115.83 (old set up) Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: N.W. AR Posts: 12,540 iTrader: 8 reviews	there is nothing wrong with patriot heads. if they are what you have been looking to buy, then go for it. patriot cams arent all that great, you will want to go ahead and change them to something else. if you are planning on a poweradder, then a set of custom grind vt cams are the way to go. __________________ project warhorse under construction wagon burner under construction as well (04 lightning) being built by MP2 Performance

June 20th, 2007, 07:13 PM	#20
neckbonekat I Post Entirely Way Too Much 2005 Cadillac STS V8 ???????????????? Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Upstate NY Posts: 6,344 iTrader: 3 reviews	Wouldn't it be smarter to buy the cams after the SC? Are there different cams for N/A cars and SC cars? __________________ ITEMS FOR SALE! 4.10 GEARS + BEARING KIT

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