Crower cams

energiesource · August 7th, 2007, 03:04 AM

So I need to get some and ive heard that crower is the better brand
so im asking, should i get a stage 3 in a low lift design or stage 3 in a high lift design or something else? im going by their website and i want a mean sound with a pretty good increase in mid-high range.
Thanks.

2000stangGT · August 7th, 2007, 03:20 AM

you do know with stage 3 youll probably have to do some internal work right?

energiesource · August 7th, 2007, 03:22 AM

haha never crossed my mind. just thought theyd operate at....lower capacity with stock internals.

2000stangGT · August 7th, 2007, 03:24 AM

no, even with stage 2 you have to change the pistons or modify them becuase they hit due to the high lift. only stage 2 cams you can do with out modification is vt stage 2. but remember you will need new valve springs with stage 2 or higher

energiesource · August 7th, 2007, 03:25 AM

yeah i was aware of the valve springs part, but everything else i really didnt think about. i was hoping i could do all those 2 without taking the engine out, but pistons...ugh damn

2000stangGT · August 7th, 2007, 03:27 AM

i forget what actually happens with the pistons hitting, some1 else can probably explain it, but i know it happens lol

if you car is a DD i wouldnt go higher than stage 2

im picking up vt stage 2 over this winter for next season

energiesource · August 7th, 2007, 03:30 AM

why no higher than stage 2 for a DD?
but should i go high lift or low lift and whats the difference?

matrixpuba · August 7th, 2007, 04:49 AM

unless you have the heads for them, anything over a stage 2 cam is just noise. vt is the only stage 2 cam that wont hit the piston(some comp 270 cams wont but your taking a chance)

Garhfer · August 7th, 2007, 04:52 AM

I'd go stage 2 vt, all the vids I've heard of them sound sick as hell

energiesource · August 7th, 2007, 04:57 AM

what about stage 2 crower?
and again whats the diff between low and high lift

Garhfer · August 7th, 2007, 05:04 AM

Here's vt stage 2 cams

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YB53GQoUmmo

And all I could find was stage 3's for crower cams...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQK475c9YQg

As for technical questions I dunno shit about cams... lol

matrixpuba · August 7th, 2007, 07:36 AM

the lift is how far the valve is compened. a high lift will push the valve off its seat alot more than a low lift cam. but you can only go so far before the valve will hit the piston.

SWEET2KSTANG · August 7th, 2007, 08:29 AM

the differences will be is the low lift is a longer duration. they both are made for specific reasons. either way the motor will need to be able to turn over 6500+ rpm's for them to work correctly. each cam is made to do certain things, thats why you need to know what you want, need, what will work, and what to look for in a cam. it is very easy to over cam a motor, and as expexive as cams are for the modulars thats the last thing you want to do.

zerofx150 · August 7th, 2007, 08:56 AM

so what is the stock lift on the PI cams. I've talked to the comp cam tech line and all the extreme energycams for the 99+PI motors have 550 lift but the guy said that i would need to notch the pistons. He Also said that there are around 7 different piston makers for these cars, any truth to that. I want cams but the VT stage 2 have a 108LSA and thats not the best for a nitrous or super charged car, the comp 270s have 113LSA but there is a chance of PTV contact.

matrixpuba · August 7th, 2007, 10:40 AM

Originally Posted by zerofx150

I want cams but the VT stage 2 have a 108LSA and thats not the best for a nitrous or super charged car

those cams are not the best choice for a blower cam but will work great with nitrous. cal vt and talk to scotty. he will point you in the right direction with what your goals are.

2000stangGT · August 7th, 2007, 01:54 PM

is stage 2 too much for a non built motor?

04GTAMPA · August 7th, 2007, 02:09 PM

Could be, should be fine.

matrixpuba · August 8th, 2007, 12:53 AM

Originally Posted by 2000stangGT

is stage 2 too much for a non built motor?

the vt stage 2 cams are not to much for a built motor but their potential will not be met without a good set of heads.

SWEET2KSTANG · August 8th, 2007, 08:37 AM

nitrous cams and blower cams are pretty damn close to the same. unless you have a specific application, there is no difference from most companies. there are a few that will distinguish specifics for nitrous, s/c's turbo's, and even for a roots or a twin screw.

Ryan Paymaster · August 8th, 2007, 11:27 AM

Sometimes I think I'd rather just overcam the hell out of my car and sit around idling all day.

August 7th, 2007, 03:04 AM	#1
energiesource MM Fanatic Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Up der in canada eh Posts: 3,527 iTrader: 1 reviews	Crower cams So I need to get some and ive heard that crower is the better brand so im asking, should i get a stage 3 in a low lift design or stage 3 in a high lift design or something else? im going by their website and i want a mean sound with a pretty good increase in mid-high range. Thanks. __________________ 2000 Mustang GT, 417hp/421tq, P1SC @ 6 psi(?), Custom grind cams, Steeda Triax shifter, SLP LM2, MAC L/T and O/R H-pipe. 18x9/10 Flat Black FR500's, Mach C-pillars, bullitt side scoops/skirts.

August 7th, 2007, 03:20 AM	#2
2000stangGT Enthusiast 2000 Mustang Gt 13.56 @ 106 Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: CT Posts: 806 iTrader: 0 reviews	you do know with stage 3 youll probably have to do some internal work right? __________________ JLT - Accufab - MPH Heads - VT Stage 2 N/A cams Manley Valves/Springs - Centerforce Dual Friction BBK LT's - BBK o/r H - Bassani catback FRPP 4.10s - XCAL2 - BBK UDP's 306rwhp/333rwtq

August 7th, 2007, 03:22 AM	#3
energiesource MM Fanatic Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Up der in canada eh Posts: 3,527 iTrader: 1 reviews	haha never crossed my mind. just thought theyd operate at....lower capacity with stock internals. __________________ 2000 Mustang GT, 417hp/421tq, P1SC @ 6 psi(?), Custom grind cams, Steeda Triax shifter, SLP LM2, MAC L/T and O/R H-pipe. 18x9/10 Flat Black FR500's, Mach C-pillars, bullitt side scoops/skirts.

August 7th, 2007, 03:24 AM	#4
2000stangGT Enthusiast 2000 Mustang Gt 13.56 @ 106 Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: CT Posts: 806 iTrader: 0 reviews	no, even with stage 2 you have to change the pistons or modify them becuase they hit due to the high lift. only stage 2 cams you can do with out modification is vt stage 2. but remember you will need new valve springs with stage 2 or higher __________________ JLT - Accufab - MPH Heads - VT Stage 2 N/A cams Manley Valves/Springs - Centerforce Dual Friction BBK LT's - BBK o/r H - Bassani catback FRPP 4.10s - XCAL2 - BBK UDP's 306rwhp/333rwtq

August 7th, 2007, 03:25 AM	#5
energiesource MM Fanatic Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Up der in canada eh Posts: 3,527 iTrader: 1 reviews	yeah i was aware of the valve springs part, but everything else i really didnt think about. i was hoping i could do all those 2 without taking the engine out, but pistons...ugh damn __________________ 2000 Mustang GT, 417hp/421tq, P1SC @ 6 psi(?), Custom grind cams, Steeda Triax shifter, SLP LM2, MAC L/T and O/R H-pipe. 18x9/10 Flat Black FR500's, Mach C-pillars, bullitt side scoops/skirts.

August 7th, 2007, 03:27 AM	#6
2000stangGT Enthusiast 2000 Mustang Gt 13.56 @ 106 Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: CT Posts: 806 iTrader: 0 reviews	i forget what actually happens with the pistons hitting, some1 else can probably explain it, but i know it happens lol if you car is a DD i wouldnt go higher than stage 2 im picking up vt stage 2 over this winter for next season __________________ JLT - Accufab - MPH Heads - VT Stage 2 N/A cams Manley Valves/Springs - Centerforce Dual Friction BBK LT's - BBK o/r H - Bassani catback FRPP 4.10s - XCAL2 - BBK UDP's 306rwhp/333rwtq

August 7th, 2007, 03:30 AM	#7
energiesource MM Fanatic Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Up der in canada eh Posts: 3,527 iTrader: 1 reviews	why no higher than stage 2 for a DD? but should i go high lift or low lift and whats the difference? __________________ 2000 Mustang GT, 417hp/421tq, P1SC @ 6 psi(?), Custom grind cams, Steeda Triax shifter, SLP LM2, MAC L/T and O/R H-pipe. 18x9/10 Flat Black FR500's, Mach C-pillars, bullitt side scoops/skirts.

August 7th, 2007, 04:49 AM	#8
matrixpuba Hardcore Enthusiast Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: tennessee Posts: 2,364 iTrader: 0 reviews	unless you have the heads for them, anything over a stage 2 cam is just noise. vt is the only stage 2 cam that wont hit the piston(some comp 270 cams wont but your taking a chance) __________________

August 7th, 2007, 04:52 AM	#9
Garhfer Hardcore Enthusiast 2004 Mustang GT Conv. Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Edgewater, FL Posts: 1,790 iTrader: 0 reviews	I'd go stage 2 vt, all the vids I've heard of them sound sick as hell __________________ 2004 GT Boosted by Vortech

August 7th, 2007, 04:57 AM	#10
energiesource MM Fanatic Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Up der in canada eh Posts: 3,527 iTrader: 1 reviews	what about stage 2 crower? and again whats the diff between low and high lift __________________ 2000 Mustang GT, 417hp/421tq, P1SC @ 6 psi(?), Custom grind cams, Steeda Triax shifter, SLP LM2, MAC L/T and O/R H-pipe. 18x9/10 Flat Black FR500's, Mach C-pillars, bullitt side scoops/skirts.

August 7th, 2007, 05:04 AM	#11
Garhfer Hardcore Enthusiast 2004 Mustang GT Conv. Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Edgewater, FL Posts: 1,790 iTrader: 0 reviews	Here's vt stage 2 cams http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YB53GQoUmmo And all I could find was stage 3's for crower cams... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQK475c9YQg As for technical questions I dunno shit about cams... lol __________________ 2004 GT Boosted by Vortech

August 7th, 2007, 07:36 AM	#12
matrixpuba Hardcore Enthusiast Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: tennessee Posts: 2,364 iTrader: 0 reviews	the lift is how far the valve is compened. a high lift will push the valve off its seat alot more than a low lift cam. but you can only go so far before the valve will hit the piston. __________________

August 7th, 2007, 08:29 AM	#13
SWEET2KSTANG mm's nitrous mod 2000 mustang gt 11.79@115.83 (old set up) Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: N.W. AR Posts: 12,430 iTrader: 8 reviews	the differences will be is the low lift is a longer duration. they both are made for specific reasons. either way the motor will need to be able to turn over 6500+ rpm's for them to work correctly. each cam is made to do certain things, thats why you need to know what you want, need, what will work, and what to look for in a cam. it is very easy to over cam a motor, and as expexive as cams are for the modulars thats the last thing you want to do. __________________ project warhorse under construction being built by MP2 Performance

August 7th, 2007, 08:56 AM	#14
zerofx150 Regular 2003 GT 13.6 @ 101 Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Ada OK Posts: 387 iTrader: 0 reviews	so what is the stock lift on the PI cams. I've talked to the comp cam tech line and all the extreme energycams for the 99+PI motors have 550 lift but the guy said that i would need to notch the pistons. He Also said that there are around 7 different piston makers for these cars, any truth to that. I want cams but the VT stage 2 have a 108LSA and thats not the best for a nitrous or super charged car, the comp 270s have 113LSA but there is a chance of PTV contact. __________________ 03 GT 5sp, K&N FIPK, MAC LT ceramic coated headers, MAC Prochamber, Steeda Tri-ax, 3.73, SCT X-cal2 tuned by D&G Dyno Tune, NX plate Kit, Eibach Pro Springs, CMS Stage 2 cams. STRIKE design from MK Motorsports.

August 7th, 2007, 01:54 PM	#16
2000stangGT Enthusiast 2000 Mustang Gt 13.56 @ 106 Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: CT Posts: 806 iTrader: 0 reviews	is stage 2 too much for a non built motor? __________________ JLT - Accufab - MPH Heads - VT Stage 2 N/A cams Manley Valves/Springs - Centerforce Dual Friction BBK LT's - BBK o/r H - Bassani catback FRPP 4.10s - XCAL2 - BBK UDP's 306rwhp/333rwtq

August 7th, 2007, 02:09 PM	#17
04GTAMPA Hardcore Enthusiast 2001 Mustang SVT Cobra Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Riverview, FL Posts: 2,751 iTrader: 1 reviews	Could be, should be fine. __________________ Slow, really slow Cobra. Wanna see? MM Cobra Club Member #81 "TAMPA BAY AREA CREW"

August 8th, 2007, 08:37 AM	#19
SWEET2KSTANG mm's nitrous mod 2000 mustang gt 11.79@115.83 (old set up) Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: N.W. AR Posts: 12,430 iTrader: 8 reviews	nitrous cams and blower cams are pretty damn close to the same. unless you have a specific application, there is no difference from most companies. there are a few that will distinguish specifics for nitrous, s/c's turbo's, and even for a roots or a twin screw. __________________ project warhorse under construction being built by MP2 Performance

August 8th, 2007, 11:27 AM	#20
Ryan Paymaster Enthusiast 1996 Ford SVT Cobra 13.36@102 Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Plainfield, IL USA Posts: 661 iTrader: 0 reviews	Sometimes I think I'd rather just overcam the hell out of my car and sit around idling all day.

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