Head upgrade question...

MySallyMI · July 19th, 2006, 02:17 PM

Hi im new here, but not exactly new to modding...i have an 03 GT 5-Speed with a bunch of bolt ons, i wanted a supercharger but i decided to get heads first. So heres my question what else needs to be upgraded when i change my head? I got a gasket kit from Ford Racing, 30lb Steeda Injectors and Stage 3 Crower Cams...oops the heads are Patriot Performance Stage III's which come with PPvalve springs and aftermarket valves aswell (i forget who makes the valves but...) What else will i need to do tho? Different plugs? Stock Fuel rails ok? Timing? Any help would be greatly appreciated, thank you

Drgnracin72 · July 19th, 2006, 07:40 PM

youll need to have those heads looked over by an experienced shop. there is only one shop out there that sets up the springs right and thats shm! those heads and cams will make power but will be very hard to tune down low and will soung great at idle but will not be real driveable at low rpms. stage 3 usually only make about 15-20 hp ver the stage 2! stock plugs should be okay on that setup, fuel rails will also be okay! id like ot hear your car after you get em on. gonna sound badass!!

mdvaldosta · July 19th, 2006, 07:48 PM

If your gonna be revving high I'd really suggest going with forged rods (and might as well pistons). I assume you'll want to rev to at least 7k rpm to take advantage of those heads and cams and I wouldn't be comfortable doing that on the stock stuff.

Drgnracin72 · July 19th, 2006, 07:50 PM

i wouldnt either. i revved mine to about 6800 and if you look in the thread about my blown motor, you can see what that does to a stock engine!

White99stang · July 19th, 2006, 08:02 PM

man i say go for broke, i revved my car to 8k with the blower on with a stock block, and it made 18 pounds of boost lol. WHT00Gt can attest to that

mdvaldosta · July 19th, 2006, 08:09 PM

White99stang · July 19th, 2006, 08:19 PM

it was only when i was mad at the wife, i just kept it to the floor and shifted when it wouldn't go any higher, it didn't have a rev limiter. i know i am stupid

ChrisJ · July 19th, 2006, 09:29 PM

Originally Posted by White99stang

it was only when i was mad at the wife, i just kept it to the floor and shifted when it wouldn't go any higher, it didn't have a rev limiter. i know i am stupid

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MySallyMI · July 20th, 2006, 05:23 AM

Thank you for the help you guys, i didnt know that about the powerband. So where is a good place to shop for forged rods and pistons? The website i have shopped for the last 6 months doesnt go below top half of the motor. If i were to send the stage 3 cams i have back and get stage 2's instead would this eliminate the need for forged rods? Thanks again, and im glad i found this site.

Drgnracin72 · July 20th, 2006, 05:39 AM

youll be fine right now with those heads and cams on the stock motor, but if you decided to put a s/c on it or some nitrous, your gonna need to do something with the bottom end. i think youll make somwhere around 325 hp with those mods. but then again if you really want to take advantage of the heads and cams its not gonna hurt! i would suggest dss racing, vt engine, or coast high performance. they all have very good and experienced shops and could hook you up with anything you need!

stangliter04 · July 20th, 2006, 10:11 AM

you know if you are going to take the heads off anyway do the cams they are going to have the motor opened up anyway... cheaper labor

stangliter04 · July 20th, 2006, 10:12 AM

Originally Posted by MySallyMI

Thank you for the help you guys, i didnt know that about the powerband. So where is a good place to shop for forged rods and pistons? The website i have shopped for the last 6 months doesnt go below top half of the motor. If i were to send the stage 3 cams i have back and get stage 2's instead would this eliminate the need for forged rods? Thanks again, and im glad i found this site.

where are you located?

MySallyMI · July 20th, 2006, 11:26 AM

Im from Grand Rapids, MI originally, but am an active duty Army Mechanic stationed in Ft. Hood, TX when i am stateside. I have 3 months to go in Baghdad, IQ. I dont have all the parts installed yet, just formulating a plan for when i get back. I have a bunch of bolt ons in boxes waiting for me when i get home, driving my wife and mother crazy. But you made a good point Stangliter04 about havin the heads off and doing the pistons and rods all at the same time, think thats which direction i will go, thanks again all

Drgnracin72 · July 20th, 2006, 06:56 PM

yeah wont hurt to do it all at the same time, but that means more money and down time!!!

July 19th, 2006, 02:17 PM	#1
MySallyMI Regular Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Grand Rapids,MI-Ft.Hood,TX Posts: 253 iTrader: 0 reviews	Head upgrade question... Hi im new here, but not exactly new to modding...i have an 03 GT 5-Speed with a bunch of bolt ons, i wanted a supercharger but i decided to get heads first. So heres my question what else needs to be upgraded when i change my head? I got a gasket kit from Ford Racing, 30lb Steeda Injectors and Stage 3 Crower Cams...oops the heads are Patriot Performance Stage III's which come with PPvalve springs and aftermarket valves aswell (i forget who makes the valves but...) What else will i need to do tho? Different plugs? Stock Fuel rails ok? Timing? Any help would be greatly appreciated, thank you

July 19th, 2006, 07:40 PM	#2
Drgnracin72 I Post Entirely Way Too Much Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: somewhere in oklahoma Posts: 10,638 iTrader: 2 reviews	youll need to have those heads looked over by an experienced shop. there is only one shop out there that sets up the springs right and thats shm! those heads and cams will make power but will be very hard to tune down low and will soung great at idle but will not be real driveable at low rpms. stage 3 usually only make about 15-20 hp ver the stage 2! stock plugs should be okay on that setup, fuel rails will also be okay! id like ot hear your car after you get em on. gonna sound badass!! __________________ RIP ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ Political Correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical, liberal minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end. One Big Ass Mistake America SHEEPDOGS

July 19th, 2006, 07:50 PM	#4
Drgnracin72 I Post Entirely Way Too Much Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: somewhere in oklahoma Posts: 10,638 iTrader: 2 reviews	i wouldnt either. i revved mine to about 6800 and if you look in the thread about my blown motor, you can see what that does to a stock engine! __________________ RIP ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ Political Correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical, liberal minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end. One Big Ass Mistake America SHEEPDOGS

July 19th, 2006, 08:02 PM	#5
White99stang MM's nicest mod, :) Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Apex, NC Posts: 3,718 iTrader: 0 reviews	man i say go for broke, i revved my car to 8k with the blower on with a stock block, and it made 18 pounds of boost lol. WHT00Gt can attest to that __________________ 06 Dodge MegaCab Diesel 455rwhp/815rwtq REAL TRUCKS DON'T USE SPARK PLUGS

July 19th, 2006, 08:19 PM	#7
White99stang MM's nicest mod, :) Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Apex, NC Posts: 3,718 iTrader: 0 reviews	it was only when i was mad at the wife, i just kept it to the floor and shifted when it wouldn't go any higher, it didn't have a rev limiter. i know i am stupid __________________ 06 Dodge MegaCab Diesel 455rwhp/815rwtq REAL TRUCKS DON'T USE SPARK PLUGS

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July 19th, 2006, 07:48 PM	#3
mdvaldosta MM Fanatic 2002 Mustang GT 11.47@120.58 Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Valdosta, GA Posts: 3,940 iTrader: 0 reviews	If your gonna be revving high I'd really suggest going with forged rods (and might as well pistons). I assume you'll want to rev to at least 7k rpm to take advantage of those heads and cams and I wouldn't be comfortable doing that on the stock stuff.

July 19th, 2006, 08:09 PM	#6
mdvaldosta MM Fanatic 2002 Mustang GT 11.47@120.58 Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Valdosta, GA Posts: 3,940 iTrader: 0 reviews

July 20th, 2006, 05:23 AM	#9
MySallyMI Regular Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Grand Rapids,MI-Ft.Hood,TX Posts: 253 iTrader: 0 reviews	Re: Head upgrade question Thank you for the help you guys, i didnt know that about the powerband. So where is a good place to shop for forged rods and pistons? The website i have shopped for the last 6 months doesnt go below top half of the motor. If i were to send the stage 3 cams i have back and get stage 2's instead would this eliminate the need for forged rods? Thanks again, and im glad i found this site.

July 20th, 2006, 05:39 AM	#10
Drgnracin72 I Post Entirely Way Too Much Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: somewhere in oklahoma Posts: 10,638 iTrader: 2 reviews	youll be fine right now with those heads and cams on the stock motor, but if you decided to put a s/c on it or some nitrous, your gonna need to do something with the bottom end. i think youll make somwhere around 325 hp with those mods. but then again if you really want to take advantage of the heads and cams its not gonna hurt! i would suggest dss racing, vt engine, or coast high performance. they all have very good and experienced shops and could hook you up with anything you need! __________________ RIP ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ Political Correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical, liberal minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end. One Big Ass Mistake America SHEEPDOGS

July 20th, 2006, 10:11 AM	#11
stangliter04 Enthusiast Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Port St. John Florida Posts: 850 iTrader: 2 reviews	you know if you are going to take the heads off anyway do the cams they are going to have the motor opened up anyway... cheaper labor __________________ Silver 04 Cobra... with a Whipple

July 20th, 2006, 11:26 AM	#13
MySallyMI Regular Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Grand Rapids,MI-Ft.Hood,TX Posts: 253 iTrader: 0 reviews	Head upgrade question... Im from Grand Rapids, MI originally, but am an active duty Army Mechanic stationed in Ft. Hood, TX when i am stateside. I have 3 months to go in Baghdad, IQ. I dont have all the parts installed yet, just formulating a plan for when i get back. I have a bunch of bolt ons in boxes waiting for me when i get home, driving my wife and mother crazy. But you made a good point Stangliter04 about havin the heads off and doing the pistons and rods all at the same time, think thats which direction i will go, thanks again all

July 20th, 2006, 06:56 PM	#14
Drgnracin72 I Post Entirely Way Too Much Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: somewhere in oklahoma Posts: 10,638 iTrader: 2 reviews	yeah wont hurt to do it all at the same time, but that means more money and down time!!! __________________ RIP ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ Political Correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical, liberal minority and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end. One Big Ass Mistake America SHEEPDOGS

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