[TTownZilla]

im readin 5.0 mustangs and super fords.april 2005 t-zex wet shot. it says their 4.6 had a cold-air kit,pulleys,throttle body and exhaust. (i have upper plenum intake ,3.73 ,diablo,toyo street slicks, plus what that car has.)they tried the 75 ,100 ,and 125, shot on it and dyno it. dyno sheet says the 125 shot added 169lb-ft .is that horse power or torque.also 418torque at 4000rpm 347hp at 5000rpm.(baseline,289torque at 4200rpm ,249hp at 5000rpm)that gain seems like a dream come true for about $700 with purge kit.good deal?
My Point, if im runnin 13.5 now :with this kit and good shiftin what times should i expect. i have a good friend with a neon srt-4 runnin 12.6 I MUST BEET THE NEON.for the love of V-8 rear wheeled powered cars please give lots of feedback.savin now of t-zex.

[03 R Code]

Those are pretty close to the gains I got when I put in my nitrous.

With 350 rwhp you should be able to get mid 12's. If you had full suspension and slicks and if you are a good driver you could pull out a 12 flat.

[TTownZilla]

Originally Posted by 03 R Code Those are pretty close to the gains I got when I put in my nitrous. With 350 rwhp you should be able to get mid 12's. If you had full suspension and slicks and if you are a good driver you could pull out a 12 flat.

full suspension? please tell me more about this.

[03 R Code]

I'm not too up to date on the suspension stuff... But for starters look into upper and lower control arms, drag shocks and struts, front end kit (as in tubular k-member) for weight savings. And a full sub frame system, not just the bars but the whole shabang. That way when the front of you car starts to rise it will be distributed to the back tires evenly.

[TheBusher]

Originally Posted by TTownZilla im readin 5.0 mustangs and super fords.april 2005 t-zex wet shot. it says their 4.6 had a cold-air kit,pulleys,throttle body and exhaust. (i have upper plenum intake ,3.73 ,diablo,toyo street slicks, plus what that car has.)they tried the 75 ,100 ,and 125, shot on it and dyno it. dyno sheet says the 125 shot added 169lb-ft .is that horse power or torque.also 418torque at 4000rpm 347hp at 5000rpm.(baseline,289torque at 4200rpm ,249hp at 5000rpm)that gain seems like a dream come true for about $700 with purge kit.good deal? My Point, if im runnin 13.5 now :with this kit and good shiftin what times should i expect. i have a good friend with a neon srt-4 runnin 12.6 I MUST BEET THE NEON.for the love of V-8 rear wheeled powered cars please give lots of feedback.savin now of t-zex.

If you are spraying below 5252 rpm your TQ gains will be larger then your HP gains because your TQ is always higher then you HP below 5252. If your rpms are above 5252, your HP gains will be larger then your TQ gains because your HP is always higher then your TQ above 5252. When you gain power your TQ & HP gain X%. So, for example, if you are spraying at less then 5252 rpm, let's say at 4000 rpm, and your TQ is 300, your HP will be 228.5. If you spray 125 shot that means 125 HP so your HP should be about 353.5 so your TQ will be 464.2. That's a gain of 125 HP, but your TQ gained 164.2! If you are spraying at above 5252 rpm, let's say 6500 rpm, and you have 300 HP, your TQ will be 242.4. So if you're spraying the same 125 shot your HP will gain 125, so, 425 HP, but your TQ will be 343.4. So that's a gain of 125 HP and 101 TQ. That's the reason the 125 shot gained 169 TQ, our cars don't rev much past 5252 rpm.

[1SLO85]

Originally Posted by TheBusher Originally Posted by TTownZilla im readin 5.0 mustangs and super fords.april 2005 t-zex wet shot. it says their 4.6 had a cold-air kit,pulleys,throttle body and exhaust. (i have upper plenum intake ,3.73 ,diablo,toyo street slicks, plus what that car has.)they tried the 75 ,100 ,and 125, shot on it and dyno it. dyno sheet says the 125 shot added 169lb-ft .is that horse power or torque.also 418torque at 4000rpm 347hp at 5000rpm.(baseline,289torque at 4200rpm ,249hp at 5000rpm)that gain seems like a dream come true for about $700 with purge kit.good deal? My Point, if im runnin 13.5 now :with this kit and good shiftin what times should i expect. i have a good friend with a neon srt-4 runnin 12.6 I MUST BEET THE NEON.for the love of V-8 rear wheeled powered cars please give lots of feedback.savin now of t-zex. If you are spraying below 5252 rpm your TQ gains will be larger then your HP gains because your TQ is always higher then you HP below 5252. If your rpms are above 5252, your HP gains will be larger then your TQ gains because your HP is always higher then your TQ above 5252. When you gain power your TQ & HP gain X%. So, for example, if you are spraying at less then 5252 rpm, let's say at 4000 rpm, and your TQ is 300, your HP will be 228.5. If you spray 125 shot that means 125 HP so your HP should be about 353.5 so your TQ will be 464.2. That's a gain of 125 HP, but your TQ gained 164.2! If you are spraying at above 5252 rpm, let's say 6500 rpm, and you have 300 HP, your TQ will be 242.4. So if you're spraying the same 125 shot your HP will gain 125, so, 425 HP, but your TQ will be 343.4. So that's a gain of 125 HP and 101 TQ. That's the reason the 125 shot gained 169 TQ, our cars don't rev much past 5252 rpm.

That whole post gave me a headache.

[neckbonekat]

Originally Posted by code3GT Originally Posted by TheBusher Originally Posted by TTownZilla im readin 5.0 mustangs and super fords.april 2005 t-zex wet shot. it says their 4.6 had a cold-air kit,pulleys,throttle body and exhaust. (i have upper plenum intake ,3.73 ,diablo,toyo street slicks, plus what that car has.)they tried the 75 ,100 ,and 125, shot on it and dyno it. dyno sheet says the 125 shot added 169lb-ft .is that horse power or torque.also 418torque at 4000rpm 347hp at 5000rpm.(baseline,289torque at 4200rpm ,249hp at 5000rpm)that gain seems like a dream come true for about $700 with purge kit.good deal? My Point, if im runnin 13.5 now :with this kit and good shiftin what times should i expect. i have a good friend with a neon srt-4 runnin 12.6 I MUST BEET THE NEON.for the love of V-8 rear wheeled powered cars please give lots of feedback.savin now of t-zex. If you are spraying below 5252 rpm your TQ gains will be larger then your HP gains because your TQ is always higher then you HP below 5252. If your rpms are above 5252, your HP gains will be larger then your TQ gains because your HP is always higher then your TQ above 5252. When you gain power your TQ & HP gain X%. So, for example, if you are spraying at less then 5252 rpm, let's say at 4000 rpm, and your TQ is 300, your HP will be 228.5. If you spray 125 shot that means 125 HP so your HP should be about 353.5 so your TQ will be 464.2. That's a gain of 125 HP, but your TQ gained 164.2! If you are spraying at above 5252 rpm, let's say 6500 rpm, and you have 300 HP, your TQ will be 242.4. So if you're spraying the same 125 shot your HP will gain 125, so, 425 HP, but your TQ will be 343.4. So that's a gain of 125 HP and 101 TQ. That's the reason the 125 shot gained 169 TQ, our cars don't rev much past 5252 rpm. That whole post gave me a headache.

[TheBusher]

Originally Posted by code3GT Originally Posted by TheBusher Originally Posted by TTownZilla im readin 5.0 mustangs and super fords.april 2005 t-zex wet shot. it says their 4.6 had a cold-air kit,pulleys,throttle body and exhaust. (i have upper plenum intake ,3.73 ,diablo,toyo street slicks, plus what that car has.)they tried the 75 ,100 ,and 125, shot on it and dyno it. dyno sheet says the 125 shot added 169lb-ft .is that horse power or torque.also 418torque at 4000rpm 347hp at 5000rpm.(baseline,289torque at 4200rpm ,249hp at 5000rpm)that gain seems like a dream come true for about $700 with purge kit.good deal? My Point, if im runnin 13.5 now :with this kit and good shiftin what times should i expect. i have a good friend with a neon srt-4 runnin 12.6 I MUST BEET THE NEON.for the love of V-8 rear wheeled powered cars please give lots of feedback.savin now of t-zex. If you are spraying below 5252 rpm your TQ gains will be larger then your HP gains because your TQ is always higher then you HP below 5252. If your rpms are above 5252, your HP gains will be larger then your TQ gains because your HP is always higher then your TQ above 5252. When you gain power your TQ & HP gain X%. So, for example, if you are spraying at less then 5252 rpm, let's say at 4000 rpm, and your TQ is 300, your HP will be 228.5. If you spray 125 shot that means 125 HP so your HP should be about 353.5 so your TQ will be 464.2. That's a gain of 125 HP, but your TQ gained 164.2! If you are spraying at above 5252 rpm, let's say 6500 rpm, and you have 300 HP, your TQ will be 242.4. So if you're spraying the same 125 shot your HP will gain 125, so, 425 HP, but your TQ will be 343.4. So that's a gain of 125 HP and 101 TQ. That's the reason the 125 shot gained 169 TQ, our cars don't rev much past 5252 rpm. That whole post gave me a headache.

But it made sense right???

[acmillr]

Originally Posted by TheBusher Originally Posted by code3GT Originally Posted by TheBusher Originally Posted by TTownZilla im readin 5.0 mustangs and super fords.april 2005 t-zex wet shot. it says their 4.6 had a cold-air kit,pulleys,throttle body and exhaust. (i have upper plenum intake ,3.73 ,diablo,toyo street slicks, plus what that car has.)they tried the 75 ,100 ,and 125, shot on it and dyno it. dyno sheet says the 125 shot added 169lb-ft .is that horse power or torque.also 418torque at 4000rpm 347hp at 5000rpm.(baseline,289torque at 4200rpm ,249hp at 5000rpm)that gain seems like a dream come true for about $700 with purge kit.good deal? My Point, if im runnin 13.5 now :with this kit and good shiftin what times should i expect. i have a good friend with a neon srt-4 runnin 12.6 I MUST BEET THE NEON.for the love of V-8 rear wheeled powered cars please give lots of feedback.savin now of t-zex. If you are spraying below 5252 rpm your TQ gains will be larger then your HP gains because your TQ is always higher then you HP below 5252. If your rpms are above 5252, your HP gains will be larger then your TQ gains because your HP is always higher then your TQ above 5252. When you gain power your TQ & HP gain X%. So, for example, if you are spraying at less then 5252 rpm, let's say at 4000 rpm, and your TQ is 300, your HP will be 228.5. If you spray 125 shot that means 125 HP so your HP should be about 353.5 so your TQ will be 464.2. That's a gain of 125 HP, but your TQ gained 164.2! If you are spraying at above 5252 rpm, let's say 6500 rpm, and you have 300 HP, your TQ will be 242.4. So if you're spraying the same 125 shot your HP will gain 125, so, 425 HP, but your TQ will be 343.4. So that's a gain of 125 HP and 101 TQ. That's the reason the 125 shot gained 169 TQ, our cars don't rev much past 5252 rpm. That whole post gave me a headache. But it made sense right???

No. You are trying to explain why nitrous creates gobs of TQ with some mathematical equation that makes little sense (at best).
Nitrous amplifies TQ due to highly increased cylinder pressure. That increased cylinder pressure transfers through the pistons and rods, to the crank, through the tranny, and increases rotational force (TQ) on the driveshaft making your car haul much ass.

BTW: HP is a derivative of TQ, but the divider is 5250.

[TheBusher]

Originally Posted by acmillr Originally Posted by TheBusher Originally Posted by code3GT Originally Posted by TheBusher Originally Posted by TTownZilla im readin 5.0 mustangs and super fords.april 2005 t-zex wet shot. it says their 4.6 had a cold-air kit,pulleys,throttle body and exhaust. (i have upper plenum intake ,3.73 ,diablo,toyo street slicks, plus what that car has.)they tried the 75 ,100 ,and 125, shot on it and dyno it. dyno sheet says the 125 shot added 169lb-ft .is that horse power or torque.also 418torque at 4000rpm 347hp at 5000rpm.(baseline,289torque at 4200rpm ,249hp at 5000rpm)that gain seems like a dream come true for about $700 with purge kit.good deal? My Point, if im runnin 13.5 now :with this kit and good shiftin what times should i expect. i have a good friend with a neon srt-4 runnin 12.6 I MUST BEET THE NEON.for the love of V-8 rear wheeled powered cars please give lots of feedback.savin now of t-zex. If you are spraying below 5252 rpm your TQ gains will be larger then your HP gains because your TQ is always higher then you HP below 5252. If your rpms are above 5252, your HP gains will be larger then your TQ gains because your HP is always higher then your TQ above 5252. When you gain power your TQ & HP gain X%. So, for example, if you are spraying at less then 5252 rpm, let's say at 4000 rpm, and your TQ is 300, your HP will be 228.5. If you spray 125 shot that means 125 HP so your HP should be about 353.5 so your TQ will be 464.2. That's a gain of 125 HP, but your TQ gained 164.2! If you are spraying at above 5252 rpm, let's say 6500 rpm, and you have 300 HP, your TQ will be 242.4. So if you're spraying the same 125 shot your HP will gain 125, so, 425 HP, but your TQ will be 343.4. So that's a gain of 125 HP and 101 TQ. That's the reason the 125 shot gained 169 TQ, our cars don't rev much past 5252 rpm. That whole post gave me a headache. But it made sense right??? No. You are trying to explain why nitrous creates gobs of TQ with some mathematical equation that makes little sense (at best). Nitrous amplifies TQ due to highly increased cylinder pressure. That increased cylinder pressure transfers through the pistons and rods, to the crank, through the tranny, and increases rotational force (TQ) on the driveshaft making your car haul much ass. BTW: HP is a derivative of TQ, but the divider is 5250.

I know what the mathematical equation is... TQ(RPM)/5252=HP or HP(5252)/RPM=TQ
I explained the mathematical part of it, not the mechanical. If your car doesn't rev much above 5252, then it's most likely going to gain more TQ then HP because your TQ is always higher then HP below 5252 rpm. If your car revs well above 5252, say 7000+, then you will most likely see a larger gain in HP then TQ, because your HP is always higher then TQ above 5252 rpm. When you gain HP & TQ they are both going to go up the same percent. So, if you gain %25 HP you will also gain 25% TQ. So, if your TQ is higher then your HP, at a specific rpm, you will see larger gains in TQ then HP because they both went up the same percent, and vice versa.

[acmillr]

Sorry, but you're still incorrect. Nitrous usage will always always result in more TQ than HP gain.

[TheBusher]

Originally Posted by acmillr Sorry, but you're still incorrect. Nitrous usage will always always result in more TQ than HP gain.

So let's say, hypathetically, I have a car that can rev to 10,000. If I don't spray my 200 shot of nitrous until I hit 6,000 rpm, explain to me how I will be gaining more then 200 TQ. A 200 shot of nitrous means I will gain 200 HP right??? Well, at 10,000 rpm a 200 HP gain is only a 105 TQ gain. If you are going to in fact gain more then 200 TQ, say 250, then that would in fact be a 476 HP gain. Am I right???

You know I could be wrong, and I'm not trying to start an argument. I am not too familiar with nitrous, I'm just going off of what I know based on the equation TQ(RPM)/5252=HP. Maybe nitrous power gains work differently then N/A, S/C, & T/C, and if it does, please eplain, but I'm just basing my claim off that equation.

[acmillr]

You would still have gained more than 200 ft. lbs. of torque earlier in the RPM band. So, overall, you still would have realized a bigger TQ than HP gain.

[TheBusher]

I still disagree... check it

http://www.zx-12r.org/Motorcycle_inf...no%20sheet.jpg

A dyno using a bike revs over 11,000 before and after nitrous. Gains 64.9 RWHP but only 40.6 RWTQ, and it looks like to me he starts spraying at about 2500 rpm.

If your right, and I'm wrong, I sure as hell am not gonna make it easy on you

[Invictus]

put nitrous on your car and put her on the dyno, then tell me you gained more HP than TQ... you wont idc what your equations say

[acmillr]

Originally Posted by Invictus put nitrous on your car and put her on the dyno, then tell me you gained more HP than TQ... you wont idc what your equations say

+10

[acmillr]

Originally Posted by TheBusher I still disagree... If your right, and I'm wrong, I sure as hell am not gonna make it easy on you

Make it easy on yourself.

[TheBusher]

Originally Posted by Invictus put nitrous on your car and put her on the dyno, then tell me you gained more HP than TQ... you wont idc what your equations say

Of course my car will gain more TQ then HP, it only revs to 5750... 6000 if I really wanna push it. And it also has 302 TQ and 260 HP. All I was saying was unless your car revs really high and you have way more peak HP then peak TQ, then it will most likely gain more TQ then HP.

By the way, they are not MY equations, they are THE equations. HP is calculated from TQ with 5252 as the constant, it is a fact, not something I pulled out of my ass...

[neckbonekat]

Originally Posted by TheBusher Originally Posted by Invictus put nitrous on your car and put her on the dyno, then tell me you gained more HP than TQ... you wont idc what your equations say Of course my car will gain more TQ then HP, it only revs to 5750... 6000 if I really wanna push it. And it also has 302 TQ and 260 HP. All I was saying was unless your car revs really high and you have way more peak HP then peak TQ, then it will most likely gain more TQ then HP. By the way, they are not MY equations, they are THE equations. HP is calculated from TQ with 5252 as the constant, it is a fact, not something I pulled out of my ass...

I don't know alot about nitrous, but it seems you misunderstood what AC wrote. You are assuming that the higher the RPM go the higher the TQ goes with it. I think AC was saying that the max TQ would occur earlier in the RPM band and it would always be a bigger number than the HP gain no matter where in the RPM range you are talking about. At least that is what I got out of it.

[TheBusher]

Originally Posted by neckbonekat Originally Posted by TheBusher Originally Posted by Invictus put nitrous on your car and put her on the dyno, then tell me you gained more HP than TQ... you wont idc what your equations say Of course my car will gain more TQ then HP, it only revs to 5750... 6000 if I really wanna push it. And it also has 302 TQ and 260 HP. All I was saying was unless your car revs really high and you have way more peak HP then peak TQ, then it will most likely gain more TQ then HP. By the way, they are not MY equations, they are THE equations. HP is calculated from TQ with 5252 as the constant, it is a fact, not something I pulled out of my ass... I don't know alot about nitrous, but it seems you misunderstood what AC wrote. You are assuming that the higher the RPM go the higher the TQ goes with it. I think AC was saying that the max TQ would occur earlier in the RPM band and it would always be a bigger number than the HP gain no matter where in the RPM range you are talking about. At least that is what I got out of it.

No I didn't misunderstand him, I'm saying hypathetically if I had a vehicle that redlined at 10K+ and my TQ were to peak at say 7000 or 8000, then I would show a larger gain in HP then TQ