[mattstang]

Originally Posted by Boomer I have seen patriot heads on the bench, the numbers are not near what they claim. I spoke to Gunnar from patriot a while back he had no clue anything about the heads (numbers) other than their "max" cfm. I assure you the same motor with the two different heads would show you the difference.

you wont give out your bench numbers either

[04GTAMPA]

Originally Posted by Boomer You are spouting off about heads you don't have a clue on. MPH has someone local to them do their heads. I have seen patriot heads on the bench, the numbers are not near what they claim. I spoke to Gunnar from patriot a while back he had no clue anything about the heads (numbers) other than their "max" cfm. I assure you the same motor with the two different heads would show you the difference. You are going to believe what you read, or what you are led to believe from others. I do this shit daily, I was being nice and trying to save a few people from making mistakes as others have. All well !!!!

Being nice is not bashing other people's work.

[mattstang]

Originally Posted by 04GTAMPA Being nice is not bashing other people's work.

+1 or talking like an asshole to people that may not know as much as you.

[ChrisJ]

Originally Posted by contentsunderpressur You talk about flow numbers on the patriot heads here. I did a little research. Modular powerhouse do use heads from Steen Racing. Check out the numbers.Steen Racing Website and the patriots 4.6/5.4 2V Heads&Valvetrain

Steen is not doing there heads yet...Steen has to get a CNC machine before they will be allowed to make them...

But yeah MPH is having their heads made by Steen...Which is fine because Steen does some damn good head work...

I promise you pay for quality...

Im glad your Patriot Heads are good...But I have had a set that were not worth a $hit...They were such a POS that they actually paid me back what I paid for them because I raised such a stink about them...Given that was during the days they said were far gone...But burn me once and $hit on it...

[mattstang]

what about livernoise?

good or bad experiences

[ChrisJ]

Originally Posted by mattstang what about livernoise? good or bad experiences

I have never had any personal dealing swith them so I really cant say good or bad...But from what I have heard they are good...

[contentsunderpressur]

Originally Posted by ChrisJ Steen is not doing there heads yet...Steen has to get a CNC machine before they will be allowed to make them... But yeah MPH is having their heads made by Steen...Which is fine because Steen does some damn good head work... I promise you pay for quality... Im glad your Patriot Heads are good...But I have had a set that were not worth a ...They were such a POS that they actually paid me back what I paid for them because I raised such a stink about them...Given that was during the days they said were far gone...But burn me once and on it...

I e-mailed MPH this morning. They e-mailed me back within an hour claiming the heads had the exact same flow rates as the heads from Steen so I assume they have started using them. I don't know how the Patriot heads used to be but mine has done a great job. My car went from 353 rwhp to 434 rwhp from the stage 2 heads and blower cams from VT.

[contentsunderpressur]

Originally Posted by Boomer You are spouting off about heads you don't have a clue on. MPH has someone local to them do their heads. I have seen patriot heads on the bench, the numbers are not near what they claim. I spoke to Gunnar from patriot a while back he had no clue anything about the heads (numbers) other than their "max" cfm. I assure you the same motor with the two different heads would show you the difference. You are going to believe what you read, or what you are led to believe from others. I do this shit daily, I was being nice and trying to save a few people from making mistakes as others have. All well !!!!

If the heads don't flow what they claim then I guess the best thing for me to do is sue for false advertisment.

[MustangMatt96GT]

well you know that every company can be sued for false advertising. Claiming 19 HP on a MAF sensor on a stock motor, Injectors gaining 11 HP on stock motor, headrs gainging 25-35 HP on stock motor, CAI gaining 15 HP on a stock motor. I mean they are going to post number that suit them selfs. I will get my heads flowed that boomer is doing for me, if somebody goes halfs with me. Also CFM is not the most important part of a head flowing number. Its been proven that our cars dont do large CFM with out losing velocity, velocity is more important though. Flow numbers are much more than just CFM numbers, there is the swirl, velocity, etc.

[ChrisJ]

Originally Posted by contentsunderpressur I e-mailed MPH this morning. They e-mailed me back within an hour claiming the heads had the exact same flow rates as the heads from Steen so I assume they have started using them. I don't know how the Patriot heads used to be but mine has done a great job. My car went from 353 rwhp to 434 rwhp from the stage 2 heads and blower cams from VT.

There was a thread on MPH about it but it was taken down...But once Steen gets the CNC Machine up and going they will be using Steen...Steen is about 25 minutes from my apartment and they are on a local forum that I frequent...If they were doing MPH's heads yet they would have already have posted it...But thats neither here nor there...Steen is well known for their headwork...

Im glad you got a good set of patriot heads...Consider yourself lucky...

[ChrisJ]

BTW I have heard of alot of people having good luck with the Patriot heads...But after being one of the unlucky ones that did not...I do not recommend their heads to anyone...

[MustangMatt96GT]

Originally Posted by ChrisJ Im glad you got a good set of patriot heads...Consider yourself lucky...

Especally since they are still using bad heads to start with. Its like taking the recalled parts from the dealership once they have put on the replacement, then modifiying them, and selling them. If they were bad in the firstplace, why modifiy them and sell them? Just to be modified bad ones? lol

[contentsunderpressur]

Originally Posted by ChrisJ BTW I have heard of alot of people having good luck with the Patriot heads...But after being one of the unlucky ones that did not...I do not recommend their heads to anyone...

Well, I completely understand what you mean. If I had an experience like you did with them I'd never use them or recommend them either. I only heard good things about them and they were cheaper than anyone else so I went with them. Were already working with small cubic inch motors and on top of that we have crapy flowing heads with nearly no aftermarket. You just have to trust someone to work them for you.