Mach 1 Underrated!

chris1 · November 30th, 2007, 06:36 PM

just something for all my fellow termies and mach 1 brethren

Not only has Ford under-rated the 2003 Mustang Cobra, but also the 2003 Mustang Mach 1. Ford claims the Mach 1 engine produces 305hp and 320ft/lb of torque at the flywheel. From our dyno results, we have found the Mach 1 produces as much as 15 horsepower and 20ft/lb of torque above what is advertised.

When the 4.6 DOHC motor was first released by Ford (the 1996 Mustang Cobra), stock dyno results ranged anywhere from 250 to 260 horsepower and torque to the wheels. This engine is advertised to make 305hp and 300ft/lb of torque at the flywheel. Now in 2003, with a few engine enhancements, the Mach1 is producing between 265-270 horsepower and 280+ ft/lb of torque to the wheels. However, Ford still claims the engine makes the same horsepower and only 20 ft/lb more torque compared to the 1996 4.6 DOHC motor. Assuming a 16 percent drivetrain loss, the new Mach 1 motor is producing between 315-320 horsepower and 333-340 ft/lb of torque.

Quarter mile drag times also support that the Mach 1 is under-rated. The 96-98 Cobras (stock) run the quarter mile in the high 13 second range, while the Mach 1 times are reportedly in the low 13 second range.

Why has Ford under-rated these two Mustangs? One might assume that Ford does not want to experience a similar problem as when they over-rated the horsepower and torque output of the 1999 Cobra. This problem forced Ford to create a performance package to increase the power of the 99 Cobra, costing them time and money. So much time was wasted that the 2000 Cobra never went into production. It would be no surprise if all future Ford performance vehicles will be at least slightly under-rated in power. It is the safe route for Ford to take and keeps performance enthusiasts more than satisfied.

03 R Code · November 30th, 2007, 06:38 PM

Yeah, this is old news to everyone else, but I remember what it was like when I first read it...

blue03mach1 · November 30th, 2007, 10:05 PM

i knew it... everyone says 305 on here... (its not)

Tim2002GT · November 30th, 2007, 11:19 PM

They are completely underrated! Bad-ass cars if you ask me! I drove one for a couple days last week and it has me wanting to get rid of my GT and get a Mach! I raced my buddy's LS1 Z28 with the Mach and he got me by 2 cars. In my GT, he gets me by at least 5 cars! And the Mach 1 was all stock, including the air silencer!

blue03mach1 · November 30th, 2007, 11:27 PM

its completely different drive when one day i take the bullitt and another i take the mach... its two different worlds

brianm · November 30th, 2007, 11:54 PM

to bad they did't under rate my slow ass gt.lol

Mach Boy · December 1st, 2007, 12:58 AM

Yeah, when I took my car to the dyno they're saying to me, "This can't be right." So of course I ask what's up? You're putting down 290 horse with just a midpipe, exhaust, and an intake. So I tell them yeah Ford screwed up the numbers. Man I really want to hit a dyno now that I have a tune.

lonestarrider · December 1st, 2007, 11:07 AM

Originally Posted by brianm

it's good that they overrated my slow ass gt.lol

FIXED!!!

WilltheThrill · December 3rd, 2007, 12:58 PM

Originally Posted by Tim2002GT

They are completely underrated! Bad-ass cars if you ask me! I drove one for a couple days last week and it has me wanting to get rid of my GT and get a Mach! I raced my buddy's LS1 Z28 with the Mach and he got me by 2 cars. In my GT, he gets me by at least 5 cars! And the Mach 1 was all stock, including the air silencer!

what mods does your buddy's camaro have?

04GTAMPA · December 3rd, 2007, 01:27 PM

Ford claims a 0-60 in 4.9 for the new 3V.... right....

HMUSN · December 3rd, 2007, 01:29 PM

Originally Posted by 04GTAMPA

Ford claims a 0-60 in 4.9 for the new 3V....

04GTAMPA · December 3rd, 2007, 01:30 PM

I Know... I was like "haha, BS" at the computer screen!

99SVT · December 3rd, 2007, 01:45 PM

haha those are good numbers none the less!

WilltheThrill · December 3rd, 2007, 03:21 PM

i found 5.1sec. 0-60 for the 3v.

November 30th, 2007, 06:36 PM	#1
chris1 Banned 2003 Ford Mach Traveling at the speed of a photon Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Los Angeles, California Posts: 851 iTrader: 0 reviews	Mach 1 Underrated! just something for all my fellow termies and mach 1 brethren Not only has Ford under-rated the 2003 Mustang Cobra, but also the 2003 Mustang Mach 1. Ford claims the Mach 1 engine produces 305hp and 320ft/lb of torque at the flywheel. From our dyno results, we have found the Mach 1 produces as much as 15 horsepower and 20ft/lb of torque above what is advertised. When the 4.6 DOHC motor was first released by Ford (the 1996 Mustang Cobra), stock dyno results ranged anywhere from 250 to 260 horsepower and torque to the wheels. This engine is advertised to make 305hp and 300ft/lb of torque at the flywheel. Now in 2003, with a few engine enhancements, the Mach1 is producing between 265-270 horsepower and 280+ ft/lb of torque to the wheels. However, Ford still claims the engine makes the same horsepower and only 20 ft/lb more torque compared to the 1996 4.6 DOHC motor. Assuming a 16 percent drivetrain loss, the new Mach 1 motor is producing between 315-320 horsepower and 333-340 ft/lb of torque. Quarter mile drag times also support that the Mach 1 is under-rated. The 96-98 Cobras (stock) run the quarter mile in the high 13 second range, while the Mach 1 times are reportedly in the low 13 second range. Why has Ford under-rated these two Mustangs? One might assume that Ford does not want to experience a similar problem as when they over-rated the horsepower and torque output of the 1999 Cobra. This problem forced Ford to create a performance package to increase the power of the 99 Cobra, costing them time and money. So much time was wasted that the 2000 Cobra never went into production. It would be no surprise if all future Ford performance vehicles will be at least slightly under-rated in power. It is the safe route for Ford to take and keeps performance enthusiasts more than satisfied. __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] Under my Umbrella! [I][COLOR=#ff0000]Studies show that 99.9% of the kids on MM ask the same questions over and over again about performance parts yet do nothing after the advice is given because they're still in Highschool and suffer from no money syndrome. [/COLOR][/I]

November 30th, 2007, 06:38 PM	#2
03 R Code MM Fanatic unstoppable @ speed of light Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Knees deep in dat ass Posts: 3,104 iTrader: 0 reviews	Yeah, this is old news to everyone else, but I remember what it was like when I first read it... __________________ Political correctness is a doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical, liberal minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.

November 30th, 2007, 11:19 PM	#4
Tim2002GT Newbie Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 29 iTrader: 0 reviews	They are completely underrated! Bad-ass cars if you ask me! I drove one for a couple days last week and it has me wanting to get rid of my GT and get a Mach! I raced my buddy's LS1 Z28 with the Mach and he got me by 2 cars. In my GT, he gets me by at least 5 cars! And the Mach 1 was all stock, including the air silencer! __________________ [/url]

November 30th, 2007, 11:54 PM	#6
brianm Hardcore Enthusiast 2011 ram 1500 hemi Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: sylvan lake, alberta Posts: 1,336 iTrader: 0 reviews	to bad they did't under rate my slow ass gt.lol __________________ vmp500 hp. jba lts. powerhouse d/s Sold

December 1st, 2007, 12:58 AM	#7
Mach Boy MM's Orangest 2004 Mach 1 Mustang Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Indy Posts: 2,846 Blog Entries: 1 iTrader: 1 reviews	Yeah, when I took my car to the dyno they're saying to me, "This can't be right." So of course I ask what's up? You're putting down 290 horse with just a midpipe, exhaust, and an intake. So I tell them yeah Ford screwed up the numbers. Man I really want to hit a dyno now that I have a tune. __________________ Looking for 03/04 4V ABS Wiring Harness Connector/Incomplete Wiring Harness (with ABS connector)

November 30th, 2007, 10:05 PM	#3
blue03mach1 Enthusiast Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 522 iTrader: 0 reviews	i knew it... everyone says 305 on here... (its not)

November 30th, 2007, 11:27 PM	#5
blue03mach1 Enthusiast Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 522 iTrader: 0 reviews	its completely different drive when one day i take the bullitt and another i take the mach... its two different worlds

December 3rd, 2007, 01:27 PM	#10
04GTAMPA Hardcore Enthusiast 2001 Mustang SVT Cobra Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Riverview, FL Posts: 2,742 iTrader: 1 reviews	Ford claims a 0-60 in 4.9 for the new 3V.... right.... __________________ Slow, really slow Cobra. Wanna see? MM Cobra Club Member #81 "TAMPA BAY AREA CREW"

December 3rd, 2007, 01:30 PM	#12
04GTAMPA Hardcore Enthusiast 2001 Mustang SVT Cobra Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Riverview, FL Posts: 2,742 iTrader: 1 reviews	I Know... I was like "haha, BS" at the computer screen! __________________ Slow, really slow Cobra. Wanna see? MM Cobra Club Member #81 "TAMPA BAY AREA CREW"

December 3rd, 2007, 01:45 PM	#13
99SVT Regular 1999 Mustang Cobra 21.1 Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: GA Posts: 198 iTrader: 0 reviews	haha those are good numbers none the less! __________________

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