crate motor

jrock · January 9th, 2008, 06:22 PM

ok looking at some numbers and prices why dont people just buy a crate motor it comes out of the box with like 500hp and cost about the same as a tt aka twin turbo why dont people just go with crate motor

energiesource · January 9th, 2008, 06:34 PM

crate motors are easily $7000+ you could build an engine for cheaper or around that price, and superchargers are only $5000.

StangAddiction · January 9th, 2008, 07:19 PM

it always has and probably always will be much cheaper to build the engine you have...the only guys who actually seem to be runnning crate engines are guys with really deep pockets.

Also, you can likely find a used engine for much much cheaper as well..

energiesource · January 9th, 2008, 07:22 PM

not necessarily lol
cobra engines run like 8 grand.

KingChronic · January 9th, 2008, 07:31 PM

mainly because your not going to get a 4.6L whether its bored and stroked or whatever thats going to make 500HP. you would probably be lucky to see 400 out of a 2V, and maybe 430 from a 4V.

the only replacement for displacement is boost. so without it, these smaller motors jsut dont make the power, much less the torque.

energiesource · January 9th, 2008, 07:32 PM

yeah but you gotta be able to hold it. a $5000 supercharger is useless if you want anything over 400 hp because you'd spend more than the price of the supercharger just upgrading your engine, it all costs too much.

RALVAREZ26 · January 9th, 2008, 07:35 PM

i just want to get to 300rwhp and i'd be happy-for a while atleast!

energiesource · January 9th, 2008, 07:36 PM

then youd be happy with a supercharger.
turbos are nice, but impractical for a dd. not because it isnt efficient, but just because its so expensive and hard to maintain usually.

KingChronic · January 9th, 2008, 07:37 PM

Originally Posted by energiesource

yeah but you gotta be able to hold it. a $5000 supercharger is useless if you want anything over 400 hp because you'd spend more than the price of the supercharger just upgrading your engine, it all costs too much.

a stock GT motor would hold 500 crank HP, which is about 425RWHP for quite awhile.

i'd trust 425RWHP on a GT bottom end long before i would a 99/01 cobra bottom end.

KingChronic · January 9th, 2008, 07:38 PM

Originally Posted by energiesource

then youd be happy with a supercharger.
turbos are nice, but impractical for a dd. not because it isnt efficient, but just because its so expensive and hard to maintain usually.

turbo's make the most power, but you would never be done with it. always need re tuneing, and all kinds of other stuff.

so i agree 100% its not right for a DD. they jsut never run perfect for some reason on mustangs.

mpboy · January 9th, 2008, 07:50 PM

Originally Posted by KingChronic

a stock GT motor would hold 500 crank HP, which is about 425RWHP for quite awhile.

i'd trust 425RWHP on a GT bottom end long before i would a 99/01 cobra bottom end.

really? im not being a smart as... just curious... arnt the 99-01 cobras forged?? i thought it would be stronger

KingChronic · January 9th, 2008, 07:56 PM

Originally Posted by mpboy

really? im not being a smart as... just curious... arnt the 99-01 cobras forged?? i thought it would be stronger

the crank yes, but the rods and pistons arent, and they're peices of crap.

TheBusher · January 9th, 2008, 08:05 PM

Originally Posted by KingChronic

the crank yes, but the rods and pistons arent, and they're peices of crap.

the crank is not forged on the 99/01 cobras. You're thinking of the Mach 1

KingChronic · January 9th, 2008, 08:07 PM

Originally Posted by TheBusher

the crank is not forged on the 99/01 cobras. You're thinking of the Mach 1

the crank is forged on the 99/01 they have used the same 8 bolt forged crank 96-04.

TheBusher · January 9th, 2008, 08:15 PM

Originally Posted by KingChronic

the crank is forged on the 99/01 they have used the same 8 bolt forged crank 96-04.

Nope, all cast until the 03/04 manual Machs and Termis.

mpboy · January 9th, 2008, 08:16 PM

KingChronic · January 9th, 2008, 08:31 PM

Originally Posted by TheBusher

Nope, all cast until the 03/04 manual Machs and Termis.

i have a 97 cobra crank, and a 99 cobra crank sitting beside me. there is no doubt that they are a forged crank.

if i could find my camera i would take a pic.

Mach Boy · January 9th, 2008, 08:50 PM

I don't know if I am remembering this correctly but I think some of the 99-01 Cobras got forged cranks and some didn't. I believe it came down to leftovers from old cars. Once they were used up they used unforged ones. I could be completely wrong but I thought I read that somewhere.

WAR-PARTY · January 9th, 2008, 08:58 PM

If you add the cost of the shop that is required to build a top kick motor, the cost is far less to buy one built.....

January 9th, 2008, 06:22 PM	#1
jrock Regular 2003 mustang gt Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: cincinnati ohio Posts: 93	crate motor ok looking at some numbers and prices why dont people just buy a crate motor it comes out of the box with like 500hp and cost about the same as a tt aka twin turbo why dont people just go with crate motor

January 9th, 2008, 06:34 PM	#2
energiesource Hardcore Enthusiast Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Up der in canada eh Posts: 2,373	crate motors are easily $7000+ you could build an engine for cheaper or around that price, and superchargers are only $5000. __________________ 2000 Mustang GT, Steeda Triax shifter, Underdrive pulleys, SLP LM2, MAC L/T and O/R H-pipe. Transmission fix, new clutch Coming soon: Brakes.

January 9th, 2008, 07:22 PM	#4
energiesource Hardcore Enthusiast Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Up der in canada eh Posts: 2,373	not necessarily lol cobra engines run like 8 grand. __________________ 2000 Mustang GT, Steeda Triax shifter, Underdrive pulleys, SLP LM2, MAC L/T and O/R H-pipe. Transmission fix, new clutch Coming soon: Brakes.

January 9th, 2008, 07:31 PM	#5
KingChronic Hardcore Enthusiast 04 Whipple Cobra Fuckin Fast Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Alexandria, VA Posts: 2,448	mainly because your not going to get a 4.6L whether its bored and stroked or whatever thats going to make 500HP. you would probably be lucky to see 400 out of a 2V, and maybe 430 from a 4V. the only replacement for displacement is boost. so without it, these smaller motors jsut dont make the power, much less the torque. __________________ 04 Torch Red Cobra #456 of 3768 born on 11/21/03

January 9th, 2008, 07:32 PM	#6
energiesource Hardcore Enthusiast Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Up der in canada eh Posts: 2,373	yeah but you gotta be able to hold it. a $5000 supercharger is useless if you want anything over 400 hp because you'd spend more than the price of the supercharger just upgrading your engine, it all costs too much. __________________ 2000 Mustang GT, Steeda Triax shifter, Underdrive pulleys, SLP LM2, MAC L/T and O/R H-pipe. Transmission fix, new clutch Coming soon: Brakes.

January 9th, 2008, 07:19 PM	#3
StangAddiction Enthusiast 2000 Mustang GT Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Virginia Beach Posts: 869	it always has and probably always will be much cheaper to build the engine you have...the only guys who actually seem to be runnning crate engines are guys with really deep pockets. Also, you can likely find a used engine for much much cheaper as well..

January 9th, 2008, 07:35 PM	#7
RALVAREZ26 Regular 2000 MUSTANG GT 14.2@96.53 Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: DALLAS Posts: 360	i just want to get to 300rwhp and i'd be happy-for a while atleast! __________________ http://smokinperformance.com '00 GT cai,x-pipes w/flowmaster dumped, sct tune!

January 9th, 2008, 07:36 PM	#8
energiesource Hardcore Enthusiast Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Up der in canada eh Posts: 2,373	then youd be happy with a supercharger. turbos are nice, but impractical for a dd. not because it isnt efficient, but just because its so expensive and hard to maintain usually. __________________ 2000 Mustang GT, Steeda Triax shifter, Underdrive pulleys, SLP LM2, MAC L/T and O/R H-pipe. Transmission fix, new clutch Coming soon: Brakes.

January 9th, 2008, 08:16 PM	#16
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January 9th, 2008, 08:50 PM	#18
Mach Boy Hardcore Enthusiast 2004 Mustang Mach 1 14.04@103.04 Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Terre Haute, IN / St. Louis, MO Posts: 1,071	I don't know if I am remembering this correctly but I think some of the 99-01 Cobras got forged cranks and some didn't. I believe it came down to leftovers from old cars. Once they were used up they used unforged ones. I could be completely wrong but I thought I read that somewhere. __________________ 302rwhp 321tq

January 9th, 2008, 08:58 PM	#19
WAR-PARTY Hardcore Enthusiast 2001 YUGO GT Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: GOAT LOCKER PENSACOLA FL Posts: 1,068	If you add the cost of the shop that is required to build a top kick motor, the cost is far less to buy one built..... __________________ Military Crew Golden Shellback U.S. Navy ret. Been around the world 17 times, seen everything from a Cat fornicating contest to an elephant jack off. When Jesus has a question God tells him 'Go ask the Chief.'

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