[PowerShiftz02GT]

Whats the difference between the BBK o/r h pipe and the Mac o/r h pipe. Will they sound pretty much the same? I was going to buy a mac but BBK is cheaper haha so i was just wondering.

Also whats the HP gains of a O/R H pipe vs a O/R X Pipe?

Thanks

[Doc8224]

The h will net you a little less high end hp but probably not even noticable without a lot of mods, but the h pipe will net you better low end, but probably not noticable with out mods. It realy comes down to what sound you want. H is deeper X is louder and higher pitch. How much did you find the bbk for? I got my mac O/R X for about $160, and you found the bbk cheaper than that?

[neckbonekat]

The only difference between those two H pipes would be what material they are made of. I think the they are both actual made from aluminized steel, not SS. They should sound the same if not really close.

The X pipe has more HP gains of the H pipe but they aren't that much. The more power your car makes the more efficient the X pipe becomes. The H pipe gives you more low end torque, but the X pipe gives you more gains higher in the RPM band. The biggest difference between the two is sound.

[PowerShiftz02GT]

Originally Posted by Doc8224 The h will net you a little less high end hp but probably not even noticable without a lot of mods, but the h pipe will net you better low end, but probably not noticable with out mods. It realy comes down to what sound you want. H is deeper X is louder and higher pitch. How much did you find the bbk for? I got my mac O/R X for about $160, and you found the bbk cheaper than that?

I found the BBK for 145 but i just noticed they are for Full length headers which i have stock soo scratch that. and they dont sell the shorties that i can find at Summit Racing.

[PowerShiftz02GT]

Originally Posted by neckbonekat The only difference between those two H pipes would be what material they are made of. I think the they are both actual made from aluminized steel, not SS. They should sound the same if not really close. The X pipe has more HP gains of the H pipe but they aren't that much. The more power your car makes the more efficient the X pipe becomes. The H pipe gives you more low end torque, but the X pipe gives you more gains higher in the RPM band. The biggest difference between the two is sound.

But if its not noticeable why do people say the power doesn't come from the catback it comes from the midpipe? I thought midpipes only produce 1-2 hp but then other people were saying they produce more then the catback but a catback can produce around 5HP minimum right?

[neckbonekat]

Originally Posted by PowerShiftz02GT But if its not noticeable why do people say the power doesn't come from the catback it comes from the midpipe? I thought midpipes only produce 1-2 hp but then other people were saying they produce more then the catback but a catback can produce around 5HP minimum right?

The catbak can only produce abot 5-10 HP tops. The power comes from the headers and the mid pipe. Especially if you get LT headers. The exhaust is mostly for sound preferance.

[Doc8224]

What we mean is the difference between the h and x will not be that noticeable. a mid pipe and cat back can give you around 20hp. Getting an O/R mid pipe is a very nice gain and it sounds a lot better as well.

[PowerShiftz02GT]

Originally Posted by Doc8224 What we mean is the difference between the h and x will not be that noticeable. a mid pipe and cat back can give you around 20hp. Getting an O/R mid pipe is a very nice gain and it sounds a lot better as well.

Yeah i cant wait to dump my stock mid pipe. But ok thanks for the info guys. Im going to stick with the H pipe i think.

[RC02GT]

Originally Posted by Doc8224 What we mean is the difference between the h and x will not be that noticeable. a mid pipe and cat back can give you around 20hp. Getting an O/R mid pipe is a very nice gain and it sounds a lot better as well.

MAYbe 20hp on your mach but us 2v I wouldnt expect any more than 10rwhp with midpipe and catback.

[Doc8224]

No. I wasn't refering to rear wheel. 10-20rwhp is pretty easy to get with a good mid pipe and cat back. obvisouly different setups will get you more or less.

[PowerShiftz02GT]

Originally Posted by Doc8224 No. I wasn't refering to rear wheel. 10-20rwhp is pretty easy to get with a good mid pipe and cat back. obvisouly different setups will get you more or less.

hmmm well i just have stock catback with Flowtech Welded in mufflers. Soo do you think i can get at least 10HP out of my setup if i added the Mac O/R H pipe? Or do i need an aftermarket catback or something.

[Doc8224]

I think you will get 10 with an off road mid pipe, but not too much more. the choke point is the crush bent stock tail pipes, they are 2 1/4 I think, So upgrading to a 2 1/2 mandrel bent catback (especialy a straight thru design) is gonna get you some nice gains as well.

[PowerShiftz02GT]

Originally Posted by Doc8224 I think you will get 10 with an off road mid pipe, but not too much more. the choke point is the crush bent stock tail pipes, they are 2 1/4 I think, So upgrading to a 2 1/2 mandrel bent catback (especialy a straight thru design) is gonna get you some nice gains as well.

Ic. Well right now i really like how the flowtech sounds and i think with an O/R h Pipe its going to sound really good. But i do want a mac Catback though. So not sure but maybe by the end of the summer ill get a new catback. But yeah i do want a 2.5inch piping. i forgot all about that part could help get some gains.

[neckbonekat]

Originally Posted by Doc8224 I think you will get 10 with an off road mid pipe, but not too much more. the choke point is the crush bent stock tail pipes, they are 2 1/4 I think, So upgrading to a 2 1/2 mandrel bent catback (especialy a straight thru design) is gonna get you some nice gains as well.

+1
Your gains will be limited due to the fact that you are still using the 2 1/4" stock exhaust tubing.

[Doc8224]

If you like your mufflers, get the 2 1/2 tail pipe kit and flow tubes. weld your mufflers to the flow tubes and bolt em to your mid pipe. then weld your mufflers to the tail pipe kit. Thats one way to do it. But with the mac cat back being mandrel 2 1/2 with tips for about $300 I don't think its worth all the trouble. just MO though

[neckbonekat]

Save for some SLP LM 2s, Magnapacks or Borla Stingers.

[Doc8224]

except magnapacks and borla stinger catbacks arent $300. Well new they aren't

[PowerShiftz02GT]

Originally Posted by Doc8224 If you like your mufflers, get the 2 1/2 tail pipe kit and flow tubes. weld your mufflers to the flow tubes and bolt em to your mid pipe. then weld your mufflers to the tail pipe kit. Thats one way to do it. But with the mac cat back being mandrel 2 1/2 with tips for about $300 I don't think its worth all the trouble. just MO though

yeah well i could do that. But see my stock midpipe and the mufflers are sooooo Rusty. It probably wont even last me another year. not sure though. So im probably just going to get a new catback anyway. or replace the mufflers with new flowtechs if i really like how the new setup sounds. or i could replace all the tubing like you said.

But also if i hook up the mac h pipe thats 2.5" right? and if my stock pipes are 2.25" then will the H pipe hook up to the stock pipes?

[PowerShiftz02GT]

Originally Posted by neckbonekat Save for some SLP LM 2s, Magnapacks or Borla Stingers.

yeah i was thinking of SLP LM 2 but yeah like doc said those aren't 300 lol. They are liek what 500 or so.

[Doc8224]

Originally Posted by PowerShiftz02GT yeah well i could do that. But see my stock midpipe and the mufflers are sooooo Rusty. It probably wont even last me another year. not sure though. So im probably just going to get a new catback anyway. or replace the mufflers with new flowtechs if i really like how the new setup sounds. or i could replace all the tubing like you said. But also if i hook up the mac h pipe thats 2.5" right? and if my stock pipes are 2.25" then will the H pipe hook up to the stock pipes?

yea they will all bolt up. The ball and socket fittings are all the same. Just the inside diameter will be different. you will see when you get it. I had my O/R X on with my stock catback for awhile. I would say just replace it all. It will just be a bolt up 1-3hr job for all of it. Good times either way you go man. You will love the O/R mid pipe and Mac catback.