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Old June 24th, 2008, 03:10 PM   #81
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Im glad there is some support now...

Im currently looking for the 6.8L candidate... Very cheap at the Junk yards

Also, did you all see the headers on Ebay?

I definetly plan on going with the KMember for my swap to aid in the weight change...
 
Old June 24th, 2008, 05:22 PM   #82
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You're going to probably want ot have custom headers made, the truck headers more than likely won't fit. Custom headers uasully run about $1000+
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Old June 25th, 2008, 08:07 AM   #83
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Sorry about not delivering on the photos. The oil pan I sent out for modification has taken longer than expected and I still haven't gotten the parts I need to complete the 4.6 header modification. JBA has turned out to be pretty slow. I'll be having a talk with them later today.

Anyway, I don't know if I mentioned it before but I had to replace the brake booster and master cylinder with one out of a 96 gt so the pressure resivoir wasn't in the way of the Giant valve covers. I'll have to run new brake lines because of this but that won't be a big deal.

The big deal is that fitting anything into the engine compartment behind the front four cylinders is nearly, no... not nearly, it's impossible unless you take the engine out to do it. Headers? Take the engine out. Brake booster? Take the engine out. Brake lines to the booster? Take the engine out.
And forget about using the stock A/C lines, you can use the stock pump but the lines won't fit next to that, once again, Giant valve cover.
I know now why ford hasn't made a Dual OverHead Cam version of the 6.8 V10. It wouldn't fit into ANYTHING.

I'll keep plugging away though, I WILL make this work!
 
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Questions?


Originally Posted by Steele6599 View Post
Im glad there is some support now...

Im currently looking for the 6.8L candidate... Very cheap at the Junk yards

Also, did you all see the headers on Ebay?

I definetly plan on going with the KMember for my swap to aid in the weight change...
Hey, Steele,

If you have any questions about something specific and don't want to wait for me to post it here just email me at clarkebar@gmail.com, I check that every day.

Try to get the engine from an F-350, it'll make EVERYTHING easier. Also, don't get rid of your old engine and all the parts attached untill you've completed the swap, there are alot of very useful parts on it.
 
Old June 25th, 2008, 01:19 PM   #85
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wow, I had no idea someone was actually doing this. that's pretty rockin.
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Old June 26th, 2008, 03:11 PM   #86
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Truck motor! In a Sportscar?


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you want a v10 in a sports car go get a viper

and ya don't put a truck motor in a mustang.
Yeah, don't put truck motors in sportscars, you might give birth to a wild animal, like a MUSTANG. How do you think the whole thing started... Read up on your history, man.
 
Old June 26th, 2008, 05:56 PM   #87
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actually a lot of quick sports cars, and potentially quick sports cars use truck motors...the ka24 that's in 240 sx's is the same motor that's in Nissan trucks...it takes barely any tweaking at all to get that thing to run quicker than my gt...I know that because I've done it twice.
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Old June 26th, 2008, 06:42 PM   #89
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Higher Octane (premium fuel) does not burn cleaner, or alter your mileage


Bob,

That just is not true. Higher Octane (premium fuel) does not burn cleaner, or alter your mileage. It does not directly give you more power, although it can allow you to run higher compression/boost that can result in more power.

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The vast majority of automobiles on the road today are designed and manufactured to perform properly on regular grade gasoline. Premium grade (higher octane) fuel WILL NOT improve your mileage, or keep your valves cleaner, or give you noticeably better throttle response. The use of higher octane fuel in a vehicle that does not require it is simply a waste of your money.

In an engine that does not "ping" on regular, the use of premium fuel garners zero benefit, period.




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well you could probably get it tuned to run regular but to be honest with you i dont see why spending .20 more on a gallon is such a big deal.. premium fuel is so much better for power, burns cleaner, and gives you better mileage
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I was told by my auto body teacher back in high school that premium fuel would make your car get better mileage. I went and got a full tank of premium in my Cougar and ran that out, checking the miles I went. I then got a regular tank and checked the miles I went. I went right at 3 more miles on regular than on premium. Basically, it did nothing. I'm in agreement with Gt500 on the fuel thing based on my own results.
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its in the tune. if your going to use higher octane, u need to up the timing to see any improvement
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Originally Posted by HBK_2007 View Post
its in the tune. if your going to use higher octane, u need to up the timing to see any improvement
my car is supposed to be tuned for 93 (it acts like shit on mid grade and pings with regular)...but I'm pretty sure my timing wasn't advanced any...if I were to advance my timing how much would I need to advance it to make a difference?
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im not sure. i dont do much in the way of engine tuning, i just put them together and install them, its my dads job to tune them
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Progress


I got some more pictures. I had to take the engine back out of the car to put the oil pan/dip tube on. So while it's out I've bent the lines for the master cylinder/booster. There's a couple that don't fit but I'm getting adapters for those. I'm going to take care of the headers and exhaust before I put the engine back. It's gonna be a few days...
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that u and the v10?
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I am watching this thread with much love for your enthusiasm to putting the v10 in the mustang, good luck sir...

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uh, huh.


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that u and the v10?
Yeah, that's me.
 
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nice touch with installing a mechanix glove on the right cover! keep everything clean, nothing will slip, and lessen felt vibration!
 
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If you want to be just totally bad ass, i'd say just do the 3v 6.8l swap, and S/C it. i mean that would be totally sweet, and it'd would sound sweet as hell, my borthers 06 f150 with an x pipe and cherry bombs sounds bad ass and i know a guy with a S/C duals 6.8l and it sounds damn close to the same as my borther 5.4l, the 6.8l is basically a 5.4 with 2 extra cylinders. i would say just do all out that is if you got the money.
 
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That v10 in the mustang looks like the new 6.4l diesel in the f-350. Almost any repair is made cab-off. Anyway have u thought about wiring issues yet. I have yet to find much info on a standalone ecm's capable of 10 cylinder c.o.p. I have two v10's sitting in the garage i got as payment for rebuilding a 4r100 automatic awhile back and have long thought of a mustang swap. I figured on using the stock ecm with modded fuel injectors, fuel pump and ignition coils. They make direct replacement 80,000 volt coils (sniper tuning, aem performance). The pencil type coils do not use a spring to connect and the coil is integral to the stem which means less connections which in turn means less resistance and less problems. Also stock 6.8l with pi heads has a compression ration of 9.0 to 1. 52 cc combustion chambers and the same bore and stroke as a 5.4l. The v10 is odd firing and comes factory with a forged crank which is a blessing in disguise. The 6.8l is an odd firing engine which basically means more stress is put on the crank because of firing configurations which required the forged crankshaft. The good part is however the rods and pistons from the 5.4l are exactly the same. So if u want to increase compression ratios or lower them there are several
aftermarket options also change from hypereutectic to forged would be a good idea for FI. I have built several v10s they respond very well to porting and polishing. Even set up a few superduty's on N02. I can also attest to the tuning, in stock tuning form these engines are a dog, a programmer really wakes these up. In a mustang u could run the stock 6.8l ecm and just have someone flash you a custom program. Just make sure your network (twisted pair) communication wires are hooked back to your DLC. It will run right off the factory 6.8l truck pcm but do you really think you will get the potential of
that engine when it is tuned for a 8000 lb truck where all that extra torque is required. Also BBK makes a bolt on throttle body for this motor. Comp cams has just come out with beehive springs and retainers this year and also has a custom grind camshaft available for these motors.
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Since it is essentially the same motor as the 5.4 with two extra cylinders just look at the grinds available for the 5.4l and choose one that suits your needs and they will grind it for you (quite a bit of $$$$ though). As for your oilpan
you are right the best bet is custom making it yourself, in my experience alot of parts that should fit sometime don't. As for headers i have installed the stock jba headers in a superduty and clearance is about 1/4" to the frame so i have to say good luck and please post some pictures when u finish them. The v10 gets a pretty bad rap but I know u will be impressed when u get it running. I am a ford master mechanic and in 8 years at this dealer i have only seen two blow up. (both rod bearings one was in a rollover previously). Also any wiring issues or any questions you have feel free to ask. I also have access to all ford wiring diagrams and parts catalogues 1992- present. Good luck. Oh one more thing these engines like low gear ratios. I think 3.73 would be a great choice.
 
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