[00vabchgt]

Originally Posted by C MY 4D The X2 ball joints don't do the same thing as a bumpsteer kit. The x2 ball joint lowers the lower control arm to correct rollcenter. This corrects the suspension geometry from lowering the car. I would reccomend both. I would also reccomend taking the extra time to install 4 bolt CC plates; especially if you go coilover in the future.

+1. the balljoints and bumpsteer kits compliment each other.
i also recommend the 4 bolt cc plates...
i have the Maximum Motorsports ones...

[PowerShiftz02GT]

Originally Posted by StuTheMusicEngineer u dont need to be making a lot of power to take advantage of Subframes, and control arms...try driving a stang with any amount of HP with and without subframes u will totally notice the difference in body stiffness...as with sway bars and strut tower braces they might be useless for drag racing but for making the car handle better, they are definatley noticeable in hard cornering.... all the stock suspension parts Ford put on these cars are complete shit, the newer stangs are a little better...but subframes, control arm, swaybars, and strut tower braces All make the car handle and feel better regardless what kind of power u make.....

yeah the main thing i want to do to my car is make it Handle like a champ. Of course i dont have 5grand to spend or anything but im very disappointed with the suspension ford gave our mustangs. I mean the stiffness is sure a whole of a lot stiffer then a normal car but there is still too much body roll for me and im trying to eliminate that.


Looks like im going to get the x2 balljoints also. i cant aford to break stuff if i dont do this right haha. So looks like im going to need to save a lot more now in order to do this right.

[quiksilver225]

Originally Posted by StuTheMusicEngineer u dont need to be making a lot of power to take advantage of Subframes, and control arms...try driving a stang with any amount of HP with and without subframes u will totally notice the difference in body stiffness...as with sway bars and strut tower braces they might be useless for drag racing but for making the car handle better, they are definatley noticeable in hard cornering.... all the stock suspension parts Ford put on these cars are complete shit, the newer stangs are a little better...but subframes, control arm, swaybars, and strut tower braces All make the car handle and feel better regardless what kind of power u make.....

I never disputed that they serve a purpose or do their job as parts. All im saying is that you dont need that stuff. All im saying is if your gonna cut stuff out of that package lose the extra little goodies(subframes, sway bars, etc.), not the essentials(CC plates, bumpsteer, balljoints, etc.) Besides who wants to put subframe connectors on early in the game and have to work around that crap every time your working under the car? These cars are tough enough due to cramped spaces. NO THANKS.

[quiksilver225]

Originally Posted by C MY 4D The X2 ball joints don't do the same thing as a bumpsteer kit. The x2 ball joint lowers the lower control arm to correct rollcenter. This corrects the suspension geometry from lowering the car. I would reccomend both. I would also reccomend taking the extra time to install 4 bolt CC plates; especially if you go coilover in the future.

BOOM! People are starting to deviate from the issue at hand here! Moral of this story is GET BOTH!!! ...and some other things too(CC plates, shocks, struts, after that its budget dependant).

[C MY 4D]

Do you have any idea what you are talking about? Mustangs suffer from lots of flex. Not only does it hurt while launching but it will change the suspension geometry while in a turn. Subframe connectors should be the first thing done to maintain a straight body. Unfortunately it is rarely ever done first due to the fact that it doesn't make it faster or look better.
A good example are foxbodies. If you look at the outside of the a pillar and c pillar you will actually see stretch marks. After a while sunroofs don't open hatches sit crooked. Chassis flex also causes most of your rattles.

[quiksilver225]

ME?!?!? id like to think so... ya. Are you aware that i was commending your answer??? That i was agreeing whole heartedly with you??? That i was happy to finally see someone else say BUY BOTH???

[C MY 4D]

Originally Posted by quiksilver225 ME?!?!? id like to think so... ya. Are you aware that i was commending your answer??? That i was agreeing whole heartedly with you??? That i was happy to finally see someone else say BUY BOTH???

You posted before I finished typing my post..... I was commenting on how you think subframes aren't that important.

[quiksilver225]

dude, you guys got me all wrong. Someone mentioned a kit, then saving money came up and things are getting crazy here. This thread is about lowering your car and how to do it right. I disagree that subframes should be one of the first mod, however they are a good chassis upgarde and definatley a must at some point or another. Personally, id rather accomplish a little more under my car be4 making my life a living hell. They suck to work around! That being said lets just agree that this kid needs ablljoints and a bumpsteer and call it a day!

[quiksilver225]

PS: it does make it faster. U'll cut off a tenth due to better launches

[C MY 4D]

Originally Posted by quiksilver225 PS: it does make it faster. U'll cut off a tenth due to better launches

I am aware of that but not on a stock car with street tires.

[quiksilver225]

Originally Posted by C MY 4D I am aware of that but not on a stock car with street tires.

Yes it absolutely will! w/e lets call this topic dead. Im tired

[Racerbox77]

Double post.
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[Racerbox77]

Originally Posted by Racerbox77 Old thread but I read it. Funny how people get off topic so often on forums. Buy bump steer kit with x2 ball joints if you can. If not get the bump kit. Always buy caster camber plates before making previous decision. Sent from me

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