Patriot sucks

MustangMatt96GT · July 2nd, 2008, 12:58 AM

you should have seen a drop in boost but making about the same power or so... did you seen any drop in boost?

jivepepper · July 2nd, 2008, 02:47 AM

About the same but we spun it 200 rpms higher. I have a 2.8" pulley and no serious belt slip, but I only see 13.3psi.

Plus the car was still making power at 6400 when he let out. It wasn't wasn't climbing real fast but it wasn't dropping off either.

99mustanggtman · July 2nd, 2008, 03:24 PM

should have gone with fox lake, heard many horror stories about patriot

00gtCoolGuy · July 2nd, 2008, 03:41 PM

i'm interested to see how this turns out...go with some mmr heads!!

acmillr · July 2nd, 2008, 05:04 PM

This is an interesting thread to say the least. The fact that you didn't pick up any HP by switching to a ported head (regardless of the manufacturer) is extremely puzzling. However, if you are looking at STD numbers on the dyno, the 23 degrees of temperature difference would have a huge impact on measured HP. However, I would still expect ot see a measurable gain in HP even with those conditions. Have you contacted Gunnar at Patriot and explained the experience you are having?

acmillr · July 2nd, 2008, 05:06 PM

Originally Posted by jivepepper

Ac uses patriot.

This is a partially true statement......

jivepepper · July 2nd, 2008, 05:14 PM

Originally Posted by acmillr

This is an interesting thread to say the least. The fact that you didn't pick up any HP by switching to a ported head (regardless of the manufacturer) is extremely puzzling. However, if you are looking at STD numbers on the dyno, the 23 degrees of temperature difference would have a huge impact on measured HP. However, I would still expect ot see a measurable gain in HP even with those conditions. Have you contacted Gunnar at Patriot and explained the experience you are having?

I have not cailled gunner yet. There was a 26* temp diff and he always uses standard at this shop. I dynoed on March 3rd last time.

I'm trying to grind down my cobra calipers to get my skinnys to fit. I want to go to the track tonight. The best I have done at this track was a 11.39 @ 127.55 in good air.

I did a compression test and everything is fine.

left--right
125-125
125-125
125-124
124-126

I got CEL on the way home it was for a fuel rail sensor malfunction. So I put on a extra I had I will take it out in a bit and test it out.

acmillr · July 2nd, 2008, 05:17 PM

How did your new power band look? Was it flatter than the previous band? How does the car feel?

ChrisJ · July 2nd, 2008, 06:57 PM

Originally Posted by MustangMatt96GT

the heads i bought locally were from alabama cylinder head AKA patriot performance. Now mine werent ported, but the ports were off, and the valve seals and guides were crap.

I told you to stay away from them bro...

Invictus · July 2nd, 2008, 06:59 PM

Screw the dyno, how is the car responding and what did the heads do to your ET/MPH

MustangMatt96GT · July 2nd, 2008, 07:00 PM

Originally Posted by ChrisJ

I told you to stay away from them bro...

what are you talking about?? I bought these over a year ago...

anyway i will never stand behind Patriot Perfomance.

ChrisJ · July 2nd, 2008, 07:05 PM

Originally Posted by MustangMatt96GT

what are you talking about?? I bought these over a year ago...

anyway i will never stand behind Patriot Perfomance.

On Aim...A few weeks ago...

AndrewA. · July 2nd, 2008, 07:15 PM

Originally Posted by Invictus

Screw the dyno, how is the car responding and what did the heads do to your ET/MPH

Thats what im thinking. Did you notice a feel of extra hp?? Myabe once you get to the track you can get what you put your money in. Sorry man i hate it when stuff like that happens to anyone.

jivepepper · July 2nd, 2008, 07:33 PM

Originally Posted by acmillr

How did your new power band look? Was it flatter than the previous band? How does the car feel?

About the same. It feels good at wot.

Can't go to track I need longer studs to get the skinnys to work..

MATT02GT · July 2nd, 2008, 07:42 PM

The deep dishes shouldnt wiegh that much more.. I compared mine and the
18x10's w/295's were 5lbs more than my 17x8's. But yea sorry to hear about the heads, whats cams are you running in them?

MustangMatt96GT · July 2nd, 2008, 08:18 PM

Originally Posted by ChrisJ

On Aim...A few weeks ago...

Yeah i bought the heads a l while ago. But I will never buy a Patriot Head ever again or anything that is even barely related to Patriot Performance Piece of Shit Products...

Anyway let me know if you need anyhelp getting those studs in... ive done that a few times. The fronts are so much easier than the rears.

jivepepper · July 3rd, 2008, 12:41 AM

Originally Posted by MATT02GT

The deep dishes shouldnt wiegh that much more.. I compared mine and the
18x10's w/295's were 5lbs more than my 17x8's. But yea sorry to hear about the heads, whats cams are you running in them?

Mine are 17x10.5's with 315's. Each of my rims were 11lbs heavier and each tire was like 9-10. I forget exactly now.

So about 38-42 lbs. You must have some really light 18's. I had the cast aluminum satin silver rims not the bullets. The rims weigh less than 20lbs each

MeZ · July 3rd, 2008, 01:09 AM

Post up your previous and new dyno sheets ... I would be interested in seeing the difference between the 2 curves, and of course the 26* could def. have played into this although this shouldn't have completely destroyed the gains.... Also, I'll be interested in seeing the new numbers at the track because a dyno can only show so much

JohnnyZ · July 3rd, 2008, 01:15 AM

That's weird. I picked up a piss load of power on the Stage II heads.

Then again, I needed the volume. What most people think that is that flow numbers make horsepower.... not true, unless u need the volume like I said. However, air velocity is where you pick up your horsepower from...

jivepepper · July 3rd, 2008, 02:48 AM

I'm thinking about going to an 8 rib set up 2.75" sc pulley and an overdrive crank pulley.

Originally Posted by JohnnyZ

That's weird. I picked up a piss load of power on the Stage II heads.

Then again, I needed the volume. What most people think that is that flow numbers make horsepower.... not true, unless u need the volume like I said. However, air velocity is where you pick up your horsepower from...

You think at 515 I could of used some more volume.

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MustangMatt96GT Proud American 1996 Mustang GT 10.76 @ 122 with d/a of 8365 ft Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Lakewood, CO Posts: 10,162 iTrader: 3 reviews	you should have seen a drop in boost but making about the same power or so... did you seen any drop in boost? __________________ RIP Travis Billings Special Thanks to: Andrews Racing Transmissions Baseline Suspensions Blown Small Block Ford with a hole in the block. 9.5 Dart Block 400 CI being saved for. Just because you can fuck a cactus doesn't mean you should. Never Lift Racecars

July 2nd, 2008, 02:47 AM	#22
jivepepper MM Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Under a sombrero Posts: 4,556 iTrader: 1 reviews	About the same but we spun it 200 rpms higher. I have a 2.8" pulley and no serious belt slip, but I only see 13.3psi. Plus the car was still making power at 6400 when he let out. It wasn't wasn't climbing real fast but it wasn't dropping off either. __________________ 2000 GT 665/540rwhp/rwtq On pump gas Best 1/4 638hp street tune 11.01, best trap 134MPH, 80*+day, 10.5" DD Cobra R's & 315/35/17 DR'S DYNO VID ---> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9uOS732mdA

July 2nd, 2008, 03:24 PM	#23
99mustanggtman Hardcore Enthusiast 1999 GT Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Germantown, MD/ OSU Posts: 1,835 iTrader: 7 reviews	should have gone with fox lake, heard many horror stories about patriot __________________ Single 67mm turbo, ported pi heads, edelbrock vic jr. manifold w/HPP plenum, terminator shortblock, return fuel system... Goal 600+ rwhp.

July 2nd, 2008, 03:41 PM	#24
00gtCoolGuy Enthusiast 2000 Mustang GT 13.67 @ 99.3..5000 ft D.A. Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 693 iTrader: 1 reviews	i'm interested to see how this turns out...go with some mmr heads!! __________________ 2000 Mustang GT- 4.10's, Hoosier DR's, JLT, 75 mm TB, Plenum, MAC LT's, VRS O/R X-pipe, MAC Catback 13.671 @ 99.11 (1.80 60') 5000+ ft above sea level - in El Paso, TX http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2l4JdEg3hg

July 2nd, 2008, 05:04 PM	#25
acmillr MM's Mad Scientist Slow Fella Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Tupelo, MS Posts: 5,120 iTrader: 2 reviews	This is an interesting thread to say the least. The fact that you didn't pick up any HP by switching to a ported head (regardless of the manufacturer) is extremely puzzling. However, if you are looking at STD numbers on the dyno, the 23 degrees of temperature difference would have a huge impact on measured HP. However, I would still expect ot see a measurable gain in HP even with those conditions. Have you contacted Gunnar at Patriot and explained the experience you are having? __________________

July 2nd, 2008, 05:17 PM	#28
acmillr MM's Mad Scientist Slow Fella Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Tupelo, MS Posts: 5,120 iTrader: 2 reviews	How did your new power band look? Was it flatter than the previous band? How does the car feel? __________________

July 2nd, 2008, 06:59 PM	#30
Invictus Hardcore Enthusiast 1999 Mustang Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 1,355 iTrader: 0 reviews	Screw the dyno, how is the car responding and what did the heads do to your ET/MPH

July 2nd, 2008, 07:42 PM	#35
MATT02GT MM Fanatic Join Date: May 2007 Location: Colo. Springs, CO Posts: 3,694 iTrader: 0 reviews	The deep dishes shouldnt wiegh that much more.. I compared mine and the 18x10's w/295's were 5lbs more than my 17x8's. But yea sorry to hear about the heads, whats cams are you running in them? __________________ Its not how fast you drive, but how you drive fast. 2002 Mustang GT... Just The Usual Bolt-Ons Bolt on list in Garage..

July 3rd, 2008, 01:09 AM	#38
MeZ Enthusiast 2004 Mustang GT Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Concord, North Carolina Posts: 967 iTrader: 0 reviews	Post up your previous and new dyno sheets ... I would be interested in seeing the difference between the 2 curves, and of course the 26* could def. have played into this although this shouldn't have completely destroyed the gains.... Also, I'll be interested in seeing the new numbers at the track because a dyno can only show so much __________________ Car For Sale on Autotrader.com 04 Silver GT 32K Miles Parts 4 Sale: 18" Wheels SSR GT3 replicas w/ tires Steeda Tri-Ax 10lb N20 Bottle w. gauge (2) Kirkey Racing Seats w/ RCI 5 Pt. belts Steeda & Momo shift knobs SB GT Spoiler

July 3rd, 2008, 01:15 AM	#39
JohnnyZ Enthusiast 2011 5.0L Mustang GT 7.01@100mph Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Wellington, Florida Posts: 660 iTrader: 0 reviews	That's weird. I picked up a piss load of power on the Stage II heads. Then again, I needed the volume. What most people think that is that flow numbers make horsepower.... not true, unless u need the volume like I said. However, air velocity is where you pick up your horsepower from... __________________ 2011 5.0L Mustang GT - Powered by HELLION / Tuned by BLOW BY RACING

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