Heads and Cams question

SonicBlue281 · July 18th, 2008, 02:11 PM

Well Ive decided on what heads and cams Im going to be purchasing later this fall and I was wondering if having the heads and cams will allow me rev the car to 6,500 rpm's and still make power. Im assuming I should be able to make power all the way up there. Right now ive decided on HiTech stage 2 n/a cams with livernois heads or either the fox lake as I still havent decided 100% on that. Im also going to be getting the manley nextek springs while im at it. All help is appriciated.

MustangMatt96GT · July 18th, 2008, 02:13 PM

you should make power up to about 6500, and thats about it. You will be fine with what you are purchasing.

SonicBlue281 · July 18th, 2008, 02:17 PM

Originally Posted by MustangMatt96GT

you should make power up to about 6500, and thats about it. You will be fine with what you are purchasing.

Thanks alot. I thought i probably would, but i just wanted to make sure. Nice sig btw.

MustangMatt96GT · July 18th, 2008, 02:23 PM

Yeah, its a good chance, but if you drop in power eariler, no big deal. It all depends. I wouldnt rev much past 6500 often anyway with a stock bottome end. Thats when the rods start to bend.

Thanks on the sig comment. Im just glad she is back up and running after the PI head and cam setup that i ruined from oil drevriement... That would have been a hell of a lot faster too...

2000stangGT · July 18th, 2008, 03:11 PM

i think the hitechs peak around 6200 if i remember correctly. the heads might expand that a little.

but as mentioned above i wouldn't put a stock short block up to 6500 very often if ever

SonicBlue281 · July 18th, 2008, 03:22 PM

Thanks for the info guys. I really didnt know you could start bending the stock internals. I know all of this is going to cost alot of money but im getting a rather BIG bonus this october so funds wont be a problem at all. Would i be better buying some forged pistons and rods and installing them or just buying a forged shortblock? Would just buying and stallint the pistons and rods be just as good as a forged shortblock? Keep in mind i will be spraying it with a 125 shot.

MustangMatt96GT · July 18th, 2008, 03:24 PM

yo wont be spraying a 125 shot on a HCI car very long. Prolly cheaper to just get a short block, if you dont want to know that you built it. Forged rods and pistons will require complete tear down and hone of the block. Crank is good to around 600 HP.

2000stangGT · July 18th, 2008, 03:25 PM

i dont think stock internals will hold the heads/cams plus a 125 shot. too much tq

i think the block can handle up to 600. its the rods that fail first then the pistons.

MustangMatt96GT · July 18th, 2008, 03:27 PM

block can handle over 1000, pistons are around 550, crank is around 600-650. rods start bending at around 450 HP and high RPMs.

I was going to hit my car with a 75 shot and hope she stayed together, but now the stock NPI short block will get 175.

SonicBlue281 · July 18th, 2008, 03:36 PM

Wow you guys really know your shit. Looks like ill prolly just buy a shortblock.

SonicBlue281 · July 18th, 2008, 03:40 PM

Originally Posted by MustangMatt96GT

block can handle over 1000, pistons are around 550, crank is around 600-650. rods start bending at around 450 HP and high RPMs.

I was going to hit my car with a 75 shot and hope she stayed together, but now the stock NPI short block will get 175.

I thought 150 shot was the biggest you could go with all boltons and stock motor.

MustangMatt96GT · July 18th, 2008, 03:46 PM

key word is SHOULD...

im going ot risk...

SonicBlue281 · July 18th, 2008, 03:50 PM

Originally Posted by MustangMatt96GT

key word is SHOULD...

im going ot risk...

Lol, well if she blows it just gives you a good reason to upgrade

.

MustangMatt96GT · July 18th, 2008, 03:52 PM

well it will be the forth setup if it goes.... if it does go it will be next season before the car runs...

it should last htough... ill start out with the 150 shot. I want to see what "old rusty" crown vic NPI motor will do at this altitude. I was amazed with my mods to get the ET i did...

johnr2001 · July 18th, 2008, 04:10 PM

I turn my stock 2 v shortblock 6000 6200 quite often spraying a 100 shot with hitech stage 2 cams and upgraded springs. along with other basic bolt ons. run a good tune and good oil. when it goes boom I will fix it

futureMACH1racer · July 18th, 2008, 05:36 PM

Check into modular pereformance too,

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HiTech · July 18th, 2008, 09:51 PM

Originally Posted by SonicBlue281

Well Ive decided on what heads and cams Im going to be purchasing later this fall and I was wondering if having the heads and cams will allow me rev the car to 6,500 rpm's and still make power. Im assuming I should be able to make power all the way up there. Right now ive decided on HiTech stage 2 n/a cams with livernois heads or either the fox lake as I still havent decided 100% on that. Im also going to be getting the manley nextek springs while im at it. All help is appriciated.

HP peak is 56-5700, ideal shift point is 63-6500.

sxynerd · July 18th, 2008, 10:06 PM

I would go with Cushman motorsports cams. Cushman is one of the old VT Engines owners. (The honest one)

The CMS ( or VT stage 2) stage 2 cams are the best cams hands down. I trust him 100%. I have a set of stage2 blower cams sitting right next to me. The guy has an unmatched grind.

NO_PI_NO_POWER · July 18th, 2008, 11:08 PM

Better pick a good intake manifold, to go with those cams and ported heads.

johnr2001 · July 18th, 2008, 11:20 PM

Originally Posted by sxynerd

I would go with Cushman motorsports cams. Cushman is one of the old VT Engines owners. (The honest one)

The CMS ( or VT stage 2) stage 2 cams are the best cams hands down. I trust him 100%. I have a set of stage2 blower cams sitting right next to me. The guy has an unmatched grind.

if you look at what most have to say and read the reviews hitech stage 2 cams make more power and torque then other stage 2 cams. to say cushman are the best hands down is going a little far. ? check out hitech they have their own unmatched grind as well. I am sure one is about as good as the other.I could not be more happier with my hitech stage 2's and did a lot of research before I decided on them.

Hitech Motorsport - Performance EFI Tuning / EFI Dyno Tuning Experts - Elk River, Minnesota - Midwest Region

July 18th, 2008, 02:11 PM	#1
SonicBlue281 Regular 2003 Mustang GT 13.86 @ 100.87 Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: VA Beach, VA Posts: 375	Heads and Cams question Well Ive decided on what heads and cams Im going to be purchasing later this fall and I was wondering if having the heads and cams will allow me rev the car to 6,500 rpm's and still make power. Im assuming I should be able to make power all the way up there. Right now ive decided on HiTech stage 2 n/a cams with livernois heads or either the fox lake as I still havent decided 100% on that. Im also going to be getting the manley nextek springs while im at it. All help is appriciated. __________________ Last edited by SonicBlue281 : July 18th, 2008 at 02:15 PM.

July 18th, 2008, 02:13 PM	#2
MustangMatt96GT All Throttle with a Bottle 1996 Mustang GT 12.91@105.29 @ 5800 FT Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Lakewood, CO Posts: 7,352	you should make power up to about 6500, and thats about it. You will be fine with what you are purchasing. __________________ We expect shit to break, look foward to realizing exactly when it is happening, and than obsess about dropping plenty of cash to rebuild stronger, so we can try to run it hard as hell and break again. We are sick individuals.

July 18th, 2008, 02:23 PM	#4
MustangMatt96GT All Throttle with a Bottle 1996 Mustang GT 12.91@105.29 @ 5800 FT Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Lakewood, CO Posts: 7,352	Yeah, its a good chance, but if you drop in power eariler, no big deal. It all depends. I wouldnt rev much past 6500 often anyway with a stock bottome end. Thats when the rods start to bend. Thanks on the sig comment. Im just glad she is back up and running after the PI head and cam setup that i ruined from oil drevriement... That would have been a hell of a lot faster too... __________________ We expect shit to break, look foward to realizing exactly when it is happening, and than obsess about dropping plenty of cash to rebuild stronger, so we can try to run it hard as hell and break again. We are sick individuals.

July 18th, 2008, 03:11 PM	#5
2000stangGT Enthusiast 2000 Mustang Gt 13.71 @ 102.01 Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: CT Posts: 757	i think the hitechs peak around 6200 if i remember correctly. the heads might expand that a little. but as mentioned above i wouldn't put a stock short block up to 6500 very often if ever __________________ JLT - Accufab - MPH Heads - VT Stage 2 N/A cams Manley Valves/Springs - Centerforce Dual Friction BBK LT's - BBK o/r H - Bassani catback FRPP 4.10s - XCAL2 - BBK UDP's 306rwhp/333rwtq

July 18th, 2008, 03:22 PM	#6
SonicBlue281 Regular 2003 Mustang GT 13.86 @ 100.87 Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: VA Beach, VA Posts: 375	Thanks for the info guys. I really didnt know you could start bending the stock internals. I know all of this is going to cost alot of money but im getting a rather BIG bonus this october so funds wont be a problem at all. Would i be better buying some forged pistons and rods and installing them or just buying a forged shortblock? Would just buying and stallint the pistons and rods be just as good as a forged shortblock? Keep in mind i will be spraying it with a 125 shot. __________________

July 18th, 2008, 03:24 PM	#7
MustangMatt96GT All Throttle with a Bottle 1996 Mustang GT 12.91@105.29 @ 5800 FT Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Lakewood, CO Posts: 7,352	yo wont be spraying a 125 shot on a HCI car very long. Prolly cheaper to just get a short block, if you dont want to know that you built it. Forged rods and pistons will require complete tear down and hone of the block. Crank is good to around 600 HP. __________________ We expect shit to break, look foward to realizing exactly when it is happening, and than obsess about dropping plenty of cash to rebuild stronger, so we can try to run it hard as hell and break again. We are sick individuals.

July 18th, 2008, 03:25 PM	#8
2000stangGT Enthusiast 2000 Mustang Gt 13.71 @ 102.01 Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: CT Posts: 757	i dont think stock internals will hold the heads/cams plus a 125 shot. too much tq i think the block can handle up to 600. its the rods that fail first then the pistons. __________________ JLT - Accufab - MPH Heads - VT Stage 2 N/A cams Manley Valves/Springs - Centerforce Dual Friction BBK LT's - BBK o/r H - Bassani catback FRPP 4.10s - XCAL2 - BBK UDP's 306rwhp/333rwtq

July 18th, 2008, 03:27 PM	#9
MustangMatt96GT All Throttle with a Bottle 1996 Mustang GT 12.91@105.29 @ 5800 FT Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Lakewood, CO Posts: 7,352	block can handle over 1000, pistons are around 550, crank is around 600-650. rods start bending at around 450 HP and high RPMs. I was going to hit my car with a 75 shot and hope she stayed together, but now the stock NPI short block will get 175. __________________ We expect shit to break, look foward to realizing exactly when it is happening, and than obsess about dropping plenty of cash to rebuild stronger, so we can try to run it hard as hell and break again. We are sick individuals.

July 18th, 2008, 03:36 PM	#10
SonicBlue281 Regular 2003 Mustang GT 13.86 @ 100.87 Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: VA Beach, VA Posts: 375	Wow you guys really know your shit. Looks like ill prolly just buy a shortblock. __________________

July 18th, 2008, 03:46 PM	#12
MustangMatt96GT All Throttle with a Bottle 1996 Mustang GT 12.91@105.29 @ 5800 FT Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Lakewood, CO Posts: 7,352	key word is SHOULD... im going ot risk... __________________ We expect shit to break, look foward to realizing exactly when it is happening, and than obsess about dropping plenty of cash to rebuild stronger, so we can try to run it hard as hell and break again. We are sick individuals.

July 18th, 2008, 03:52 PM	#14
MustangMatt96GT All Throttle with a Bottle 1996 Mustang GT 12.91@105.29 @ 5800 FT Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Lakewood, CO Posts: 7,352	well it will be the forth setup if it goes.... if it does go it will be next season before the car runs... it should last htough... ill start out with the 150 shot. I want to see what "old rusty" crown vic NPI motor will do at this altitude. I was amazed with my mods to get the ET i did... __________________ We expect shit to break, look foward to realizing exactly when it is happening, and than obsess about dropping plenty of cash to rebuild stronger, so we can try to run it hard as hell and break again. We are sick individuals.

July 18th, 2008, 04:10 PM	#15
johnr2001 Regular 2001 GT Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Bivalve MD Posts: 401	I turn my stock 2 v shortblock 6000 6200 quite often spraying a 100 shot with hitech stage 2 cams and upgraded springs. along with other basic bolt ons. run a good tune and good oil. when it goes boom I will fix it __________________ 2001 Gt,auto,J mod, 4:10s, B&M cooler, Hitech stage 2's, NX plate 100 shot, 75 mm tb, C&L upper plenum,BBK X with magnaflow's,Black FR 500,S,SCT tune from Bama chips.

July 18th, 2008, 05:36 PM	#16
futureMACH1racer July 08 ROTM 2004 Mach 1 Too Slow Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Fantasy Land Posts: 2,785	Check into modular pereformance too, Ford Performance Parts, Mustang, Novi, MI __________________ MM MACH 1 CREW MEMBER #2 McCain/Palin '08 Arsenal0328 (10:32:19 PM): mso gives me a raging hard on

July 18th, 2008, 10:06 PM	#18
sxynerd Regular Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: In Reality, why where do you live? Posts: 220	I would go with Cushman motorsports cams. Cushman is one of the old VT Engines owners. (The honest one) The CMS ( or VT stage 2) stage 2 cams are the best cams hands down. I trust him 100%. I have a set of stage2 blower cams sitting right next to me. The guy has an unmatched grind. __________________ Fast, Reliable & Cheap... ...Pick two

July 18th, 2008, 11:08 PM	#19
NO_PI_NO_POWER Newbie 1997 Mustang GT 15.2@89 Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Eaton, CO Posts: 25	Better pick a good intake manifold, to go with those cams and ported heads.

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